• Germany is set to become the first country in Europe to introduce a third, "indeterminate" gender de
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[QUOTE=Ganerumo;41867121]You need to learn to read then. Have an instance of that. At one point you said that I would determine your gender based on your sex, then you said I would determine your sex based on your physical features. That makes no sense.[/QUOTE]re read those posts. i said you would determine my gender based on my sex because that is what commonly happens in society. not because it's a natural instinct. but you [I]would[/I] determine that, physically, i am a female. because those are natural thoughts, rather than ones brought upon us from society. [editline]17th August 2013[/editline] you keep telling me to improve my reading skills, i think you need to first. the definition of gender has changed rapidly, it no longer has much connotation with sex or physical traits at all.
I'm really confused what is being argued about because it seems to go in circles, so regarding "off-topic", just for clarification again: "Sex" translates to "Geschlecht" and "gender" translates to "Geschlecht". The thing on the certificate is the sex of the person. If it can't be determined, it can be left blank now. So that the person can choose themself later when they know their gender. (can pick m, f, or leave blank)
i don't get it how do you sit a baby down and go "okay do you feel like a boy or a girl" am i missing something? i'm asking for an actual, legitimate explanation here as to how a newborn can be declared gender indiscriminate
[QUOTE=FFStudios;41867315]i don't get it how do you sit a baby down and go "okay do you feel like a boy or a girl"[/quote] You don't. It's about the sex. Go to a German-English translation website and type "Geschlecht".
The way I see this is somewhat comparable (although it is by no means the same) with how baptism is regarded in countries like mine. In Latin america, where catholics are the great great majority, most parents will go and baptize their children in the church. My dad however, while being a christian himself, wanted his children to decide for themselves, so his children with his first wife were never baptized as children and only one of them has gone ahead and done it, the other two are indifferent. I did get baptized as a baby though, my mother insisted on this, but if I had a choice, I wouldn't have gotten baptized. This isn't some sort of way to force your children into a gender YOU want, much the opposite, it is a tool that may be of benefit to you in the future were you to grow up a transexual. It would make paperwork so much easier for you, plus it is a very empowering thing if you yourself get to clearly decide which gender you identify with.
[QUOTE=Fake-XM;41867342]You don't. It's about the sex. Go to a German-English translation website and type "Geschlecht".[/QUOTE] i speak german, i didn't know that this is what everybody was referring to.
[QUOTE=Fake-XM;41867247]I'm really confused what is being argued about because it seems to go in circles, so regarding "off-topic", just for clarification again: "Sex" translates to "Geschlecht" and "gender" translates to "Geschlecht". The thing on the certificate is the sex of the person. If it can't be determined, it can be left blank now. So that the person can choose themself later when they know their gender. (can pick m, f, or leave blank)[/QUOTE] The change isn't the semantics of the word geschlecht. Simply the addition to choose X instead of M or F. I'm not sure what this four page discussion led to either.
What the fuck, this is sick.
[QUOTE=FFStudios;41867315]i don't get it how do you sit a baby down and go "okay do you feel like a boy or a girl" am i missing something? i'm asking for an actual, legitimate explanation here as to how a newborn can be declared gender indiscriminate[/QUOTE] That's the point; you can't ask a newborn, but you can put them down as "undecided" so they can decide for themselves when they're old enough.
This is stupid. As soon as the kid has to put M/F on some other document they'll have to decide. And when they have to do that, they'll be too young to even know the difference and only be what they were told they are. Adding a "gender" is one thing that isn't necessary what-so-ever.
[QUOTE=Zeemlapje;41861446]What are these characterestics? Is this only physical or also psychological? I'm slightly worried that this sets off a wrong signal to psychological instable parents who want their child's gender the other way around and start talking their child into a gender swap rather than that child choosing for it's self. Maybe I just have a wild fantasy but I've seen multiple news video reports of kids not even near their teens who start taking hormones, then the parent(s) show up in an interview and start talking in a real fucked up perspective about their kid which makes me wonder if it's the child's concsious decision or if it's their parents talking them into it. I can only see this applied to babies born as herm.[/QUOTE] The wording is pretty clear on it being purely biological terms. Since these are things determined at birth so psychology doesn't come into it at all really.
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