Teenage Girl Shot And Killed In Texas Because Of Stand Your Ground Law - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Lankist;36717594]My bad. hard to keep up when half of facepunch is flipping its shit at me specifically.[/QUOTE] I know, it's like you're telling them they don't have a right to self-defense because somebody could get hurt.

[QUOTE=Lankist;36717594]My bad. hard to keep up when half of facepunch is flipping its shit at me specifically.[/QUOTE] you only apologized after having been called out. apology invalid, eh?

[QUOTE=Bletotum;36717595]Lankist, do you have a response? It doesn't make sense for you to label me a terrible person without explaining anything. That's hot-headed and stupid.[/QUOTE] This thread is getting 3 new posts every 2 seconds, most of them being new arguments against him. He's understandably a little stressed.

[QUOTE=Lankist;36717601]And you are a person who feels vindicated in killing. I don't see the significant distinction between that and all the other terrible people.[/QUOTE] One is in self defense.

[QUOTE=_jesterk;36717596]Not every robber aims to break in, and murder everyone inside. Seems to me like they'd bring a gun because you'd generally feel safer breaking into someone's house to steal shit if you're packing.[/QUOTE] Well, if you don't mind my asking, what exactly is the owner supposed to think if he sees someone breaking into his house carrying a lethal weapon? It seems more than reasonable that the owner would suspect that the invader intends harm to the people living there, and not that the invader only has the gun for self defense.

[QUOTE=JeanLuc761;36717581]No. I am explaining what the Castle Doctrine entails (which is the right to defend yourself with lethal force if necessary if you reasonably suspect severe harm to your person and, in some states, the theft of your property), and I have said TWICE, if not more, that I would not shoot someone on sight if they broke into my home.[/QUOTE] Then your explanation of Castle Doctrine is despicable and it does it no favors. I'm well aware that Castle is a shitty way to run a society.

guys what would you do if the robber had bullet-time?

[QUOTE=JeanLuc761;36717614]Well, if you don't mind my asking, what exactly is the owner supposed to think if he sees someone breaking into his house carrying a lethal weapon?[/QUOTE] "I don't want any trouble?"

[QUOTE=Lankist;36717584]Hello, new bad person to chastise.[/QUOTE] I'm sure that saying that her death was justified is different than saying that it was morally high. And morality is subjective anyway, I'm not bad for not chastising those behind her demise.

[QUOTE=Lankist;36717621]"I don't want any trouble?"[/QUOTE] "Oh shit, this guy might shoot me and my family, maybe I should take action to defend them and myself."

[QUOTE=Lankist;36717601]And you are a person who feels vindicated in killing. I don't see the significant distinction between that and all the other terrible people.[/QUOTE] You didn't answer my statement. What makes me a terrible person? That I would kill an attacker, if I had to in order to survive?

[QUOTE=cornndog;36717613]One is in self defense.[/QUOTE] I don't care. What makes you think someone who so vehemently puts themselves above others that they're willing to kill for themselves is a [I]good[/I] person? [editline]11th July 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Bletotum;36717629]You didn't answer my statement. What makes me a terrible person? That I would kill an attacker, if I had to in order to survive?[/QUOTE] That you think there are people who deserve to die.

[QUOTE=Lankist;36717615]Then your explanation of Castle Doctrine is despicable and it does it no favors. I'm well aware that Castle is a shitty way to run a society.[/QUOTE] How is my explanation despicable when I'm just about quoting it verbatim? Blame the people who wrote the goddamn thing, but don't blame me for telling you what it says.

[QUOTE=Lankist;36717633]I don't care. What makes you think someone who so vehemently puts themselves above others that they're willing to kill for themselves is a [I]good[/I] person? [editline]11th July 2012[/editline] That you think there are people who deserve to die.[/QUOTE] People don't want to die. So they shoot someone else. Flight or fight.

[QUOTE=dogmachines;36717628]"Oh shit, this guy might shoot me and my family, maybe I should take action to defend them and myself."[/QUOTE] that'd be a really dumb thing to think "this guy might be violent so I should pull out a gun and guarantee it."

[QUOTE=Lankist;36717633]I don't care. What makes you think someone who so vehemently puts themselves above others that they're willing to kill for themselves is a [I]good[/I] person? [editline]11th July 2012[/editline] That you think there are people who deserve to die.[/QUOTE] You heard it here first, self-defense is selfish.

Lankist lives his life though the "Golden rule" and still has a chart they use in pre-school that tallies up all his good deeds with golden stars. He has the most elementary way of thinking, even children know they have the right to defend themselves. He is literally telling people to let go of all their emotions (Ironically he can't control his own) and act on what? The assumption that the person who created the whole situation to begin with is full of rainbows, gum-drops and sunshine is going to leave you alone? No one here is saying kill everything as soon as it enters the house, people are saying they have every right to protect themselves. If an intruder is armed and they can harm someone then do what you have to do. But killing an unarmed person isn't right, if you give an intruder the opportunity to flee and they continue to attack or act violently then that is their own fault. If they run then you let them be, the threat is gone. Police do this shit on a daily basis, it's called use of force matrix. You're always one step a head.

Well at least now she won't make any more bad decisions.

[QUOTE=Lankist;36717633]I don't care. What makes you think someone who so vehemently puts themselves above others that they're willing to kill for themselves is a [I]good[/I] person? [editline]11th July 2012[/editline] That you think there are people who deserve to die.[/QUOTE] Are you telling me that no matter the case, you would allow yourself to be killed by an attacker? You are certainly implying it. What is it about sentience that deserves to be preserved in all cases?

[QUOTE=JeanLuc761;36717614]Well, if you don't mind my asking, what exactly is the owner supposed to think if he sees someone breaking into his house carrying a lethal weapon? It seems more than reasonable that the owner would suspect that the invader intends harm to the people living there, and not that the invader only has the gun for self defense.[/QUOTE] Yes, they would. There's nothing wrong with that. The problem is that too many people apparently think that it's alright to become he-man and start gunning down people the second they see someone.

[QUOTE=Lankist;36717640]that'd be a really dumb thing to think "this guy might be violent so I should pull out a gun and guarantee it."[/QUOTE] When "might be violent" could end in you and your family being tied up and shot, it isn't unreasonable to respond with deadly force.

[QUOTE=MR-X;36717644]Lankist lives his life though the "Golden rule" and still has a chart they use in pre-school that tallies up all his good deeds with golden stars. [/QUOTE] I'm sorry, did you just imply I'm juvenile because I have empathy? [QUOTE=dogmachines;36717641]You heard it here first, self-defense is selfish.[/QUOTE] Yes, by its very definition. It is the benefit of oneself at the cost of another. I don't know what the fuck I'd do if I were at my breaking point, but I sure as shit wouldn't feel like it was [I]right[/I].

[QUOTE=MR-X;36717644]Lankist lives his life though the "Golden rule" and still has a chart they use in pre-school that tallies up all his good deeds with golden stars. [/QUOTE] the horror!

[QUOTE=dogmachines;36717657]When "might be violent" could end in you and your family being tied up and shot, it isn't unreasonable to respond with deadly force.[/QUOTE] Yes it is. That's called paranoia.

[QUOTE=thisispain;36717616]guys what would you do if the robber had bullet-time?[/QUOTE] they don't have bullet-time the police do apparently: [QUOTE=MR-X;36717644]use of force matrix[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=_jesterk;36717596]Not every robber aims to break in, and murder everyone inside. Seems to me like they'd bring a gun because you'd generally feel safer breaking into someone's house to steal shit if you're packing.[/QUOTE] Doesn't matter. I wouldn't put my trust in the fact they might not kill me. [QUOTE=thisispain;36717577]this turned into a max payne RP thread real quick[/QUOTE] If Max Payne was about shitting yourself hiding in a closet clutching a gun, I'd understand where you come from. But it's not. :v: [QUOTE=Lankist;36717584]Hello, new bad person to chastise.[/QUOTE] Lankist, you're are being a bit of a self superior cunt. I think you need to chill. I think I said what I needed to, I'm out, night.

[QUOTE=thisispain;36717664]the horror![/QUOTE] What a fucking pussy, treating people like he'd want to be treated. FUCKIN GROW UP, PUSSY.

[QUOTE=thisispain;36717616]guys what would you do if the robber had bullet-time?[/QUOTE] Dammit I was eating and enjoying this debate and now I can't stop laughing, damn you Though I find it funny that I agree with Lankist but I would do what everyone else is saying they would do :v:

[QUOTE=Lankist;36717666]Yes it is. That's called paranoia.[/QUOTE] So assuming the guy who just broke into your house with a weapon brought it for a reason is paranoia. Ok.

[QUOTE=MR-X;36717644] No one here is saying kill everything as soon as it enters the house, people are saying they have every right to protect themselves. [/QUOTE] well good but people should also suffer from the consequence of their acts ban-castle-doctrine-imprison-zimmerman-2012