Teenage Girl Shot And Killed In Texas Because Of Stand Your Ground Law - Polidicks

[QUOTE=dogmachines;36717681]So assuming the guy who just broke into your house with a weapon brought it for a reason is paranoia. Ok.[/QUOTE] You do realize they're just as afraid of you being armed and dangerous as you are of them, right? You seem to be under the impression that robbers don't feel the exact same need to defend themselves against the threat of death that you do.

This thread is classic all I see is about 4-5 people keeping something alive because they don't agree (Get a mass debate thread already!) Who gives two shits the girl died the end what is the point of keeping the argument alive.

[QUOTE=napalm_bomb;36717691]This thread is classic all I see is about 4-5 people keeping something alive because they don't agree (Get a mass debate thread already!) Who gives two shits the girl died the end what is the point of keeping the argument alive.[/QUOTE] To be honest, this is kinda turning into a circlejerk. You're still stupid though.

[QUOTE=Lankist;36717686]You do realize they're just as afraid of you being armed and dangerous as you are of them, right? You seem to be under the impression that robbers don't feel the exact same need to defend themselves against the threat of death that you do.[/QUOTE] I'm not the one putting my life at risk by breaking into someone's house. The situation is avoidable for them, for the homeowner it is not. Maybe they can retreat, maybe they can't. Deadly force should always be an option, and if the intruder is armed and hasn't noticed me yet, you bet your ass I'm taking the first shot. I won't feel great about it, but I'll be alive and so will my loved ones.

[QUOTE=RichyZ;36717696][url]http://www.fox5vegas.com/story/18984580/video-shows-7-11-robbery-shooting[/url] [url]http://www.lbpost.com/news/10988-update-police-release-video-of-second-robbery-victim-in-store-clerk-murder[/url] [url]http://blogs.wsj.com/metropolis/2012/04/19/robbery-victim-shot-dead-in-the-bronx/[/url] [url]http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/local/2012/05/21/dead-man-found-in-car-in-south-linden-likely-robbery-victim.html[/url] [url]http://starkejournal.com/2012/01/06/union-county-robbery-victim-dead/[/url] [url]http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/charges-filed-in-death-of-robbery-victim-tied-up-in/article_8ce785e8-24de-11e1-bb5e-0019bb30f31a.html[/url] robbers will never try to harm you as long as you follow their instructions unless they do[/QUOTE] I have seen MANY cases and especially with stores with expensive items where they think it would just be good to just flat out shoot you for no real reason.

[QUOTE=Bletotum;36717654]Are you telling me that no matter the case, you would allow yourself to be killed by an attacker? You are certainly implying it. What is it about sentience that deserves to be preserved in all cases?[/QUOTE] To elaborate while you take your time in delaying your response, why is it a bad thing to end a life in all cases? Haven't you learned to not generalize by this point?

my great grandma was the victim of a home invasion. she had a gun, she hesitated, she got raped. [editline]time[/editline] The armed v. unarmed assailant argument is moot.

[QUOTE=Lankist;36717686]You do realize they're just as afraid of you being armed and dangerous as you are of them, right? You seem to be under the impression that robbers don't feel the exact same need to defend themselves against the threat of death that you do.[/QUOTE] Except they're putting them into such a dangerous situation on their own accord, what happens to them when someone defends themselves is a liability to themselves. The victims should hold no responsibility or consequences for their actions.

[QUOTE=Lankist;36717686]You do realize they're just as afraid of you being armed and dangerous as you are of them, right? You seem to be under the impression that robbers don't feel the exact same need to defend themselves against the threat of death that you do.[/QUOTE] Well then they shouldn't be breaking in to the house then, should they? If they decide to invade someone's (occupied) home, then they are putting themselves at risk.

[QUOTE=Lankist;36717633]That you think there are people who deserve to die.[/QUOTE] that's kind of finicky. about 50% of the time, it's less [I]"This person needs to die"[/I], and more [I]"I need to keep on living"[/I]. it's very selfish most of the time of course, but self-preservation is by definition a selfish way of acting.

[QUOTE=JeanLuc761;36717728]Well then they shouldn't be breaking in to the house then, should they? If they decide to invade someone's (occupied) home, then they are putting themselves at risk.[/QUOTE] Don't be silly dude, he broke in to the house to give you a hug or something or maybe make you dinner for being awesome. No need to worry about that stranger in your home, he only has good intentions!!! People with the mentality of Lankist is what gives people power to commit atrocities like the holocausts, genocide, etc. The whole idea of "If i ignore it, it will go away/it will stop" is what allows people to do this shit. But hey! Hitler's life is valuable too, so was Saddam's, so was Gaddafi's. Just be sure not to fight back and defend yourself cause you know, it will make all the killings worse then they already are.

[QUOTE=RichyZ;36717696][url]http://www.fox5vegas.com/story/18984580/video-shows-7-11-robbery-shooting[/url] [url]http://www.lbpost.com/news/10988-update-police-release-video-of-second-robbery-victim-in-store-clerk-murder[/url] [url]http://blogs.wsj.com/metropolis/2012/04/19/robbery-victim-shot-dead-in-the-bronx/[/url] [url]http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/local/2012/05/21/dead-man-found-in-car-in-south-linden-likely-robbery-victim.html[/url] [url]http://starkejournal.com/2012/01/06/union-county-robbery-victim-dead/[/url] [url]http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/charges-filed-in-death-of-robbery-victim-tied-up-in/article_8ce785e8-24de-11e1-bb5e-0019bb30f31a.html[/url] robbers will never try to harm you as long as you follow their instructions unless they do cmon lankist, the fact is, it happens, and you don't want to be next who knows how mentally stable the robber is maybe they are a crackhead looking for cash for their next fix and they'll stab you to death or maybe they are like luka magnotta and will kidnap you and chop you up[/QUOTE] victims didn't apologize sincerely enough to the people threatening to rob/kill them

You risk your life when you commit armed robbery. You could shoot the homeowner if you panic. They could shoot you if they panic. Lives are at stake from the start.

[QUOTE=JeanLuc761;36717728]Well then they shouldn't be breaking in to the house then, should they? If they decide to invade someone's (occupied) home, then they are putting themselves at risk.[/QUOTE] Still doesn't mean she deserved the death penalty.

[QUOTE=RichyZ;36717696][url]http://www.fox5vegas.com/story/18984580/video-shows-7-11-robbery-shooting[/url] [url]http://www.lbpost.com/news/10988-update-police-release-video-of-second-robbery-victim-in-store-clerk-murder[/url] [url]http://blogs.wsj.com/metropolis/2012/04/19/robbery-victim-shot-dead-in-the-bronx/[/url] [url]http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/local/2012/05/21/dead-man-found-in-car-in-south-linden-likely-robbery-victim.html[/url] [url]http://starkejournal.com/2012/01/06/union-county-robbery-victim-dead/[/url] [url]http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/charges-filed-in-death-of-robbery-victim-tied-up-in/article_8ce785e8-24de-11e1-bb5e-0019bb30f31a.html[/url] robbers will never try to harm you as long as you follow their instructions unless they do cmon lankist, the fact is, it happens, and you don't want to be next who knows how mentally stable the robber is maybe they are a crackhead looking for cash for their next fix and they'll stab you to death or maybe they are like luka magnotta and will kidnap you and chop you up[/QUOTE] [url]http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/pub/pdf/cvus06.pdf[/url] Crime statistics on Robbery. Table 68. Percent of victimizations in which victims took self-protective measures, by type of crime and victim-offender relationship Completed/property taken 49.1 -With injury 67.4 -Without injury 35.3 Attempted to take property 79.7 -With injury 87.7 -Without injury 77.8 Statistically, MORE people get injured when they try to defend themselves

[QUOTE=RichyZ;36717725]jesus christ that was a really dark ending to a rather short post i was expecting she got shot or something but nope[/QUOTE] My point is that the armed homeowner/unarmed assailant argument is moot. He was unarmed, she was armed. Her hesitation ended in her being brutalized. It's plain and fucking simple.

[QUOTE=DamagePoint;36717762]Still doesn't mean she deserved the death penalty.[/QUOTE] there's a difference between an after-the-fact vengeful justice and assumed self defense

She was shot in TEXAS guys. The same state notorious for it's many citizens with guns. It's reasonable to think that if someone's home is being invaded the victim is going to think they are armed. You aren't just going to sit there and think that perhaps the robber is unarmed because obviously something has made them think they can get away with it and carry it out in the first place and it just so happens that the most common way this is done is with a weapon. A usually LETHAL weapon. It's fair enough to respond with a similarily lethal force if you have a good reason to suspect your life is in imminent danger. If your very life could be at stake you would NOT take a random chance and think, "oh maybe the robber is unarmed." You're going to splatter the robber's brains all over the wall before he can do the same to you. Or even better, get the robber to submit and await the proper authorities but if you believe your life is in imminent danger many people are not going to wait while their life is in danger.

[QUOTE=U.S.S.R;36717720]Except they're putting them into such a dangerous situation on their own accord[/QUOTE] You don't know that. You know nothing except that they are present.

[QUOTE=Lankist;36717773][url]http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/pub/pdf/cvus06.pdf[/url] Crime statistics on Robbery. Table 68. Percent of victimizations in which victims took self-protective measures, by type of crime and victim-offender relationship Completed/property taken 49.1 -With injury 67.4 -Without injury 35.3 Attempted to take property 79.7 -With injury 87.7 -Without injury 77.8 Statistically, MORE people get injured when they try to defend themselves[/QUOTE] and 67% of people who followed the golden rule got hurt that's a pretty big risk you're taking just to make sure the person attacking you is comfortable

[QUOTE=Lankist;36717773][url]http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/pub/pdf/cvus06.pdf[/url] Crime statistics on Robbery. Table 68. Percent of victimizations in which victims took self-protective measures, by type of crime and victim-offender relationship Completed/property taken 49.1 -With injury 67.4 -Without injury 35.3 Attempted to take property 79.7 -With injury 87.7 -Without injury 77.8 Statistically, MORE people get injured when they try to defend themselves[/QUOTE] Maybe it's got something to do with the intruder? If somebody threatens you enough that you defend yourself they are probably armed/violent. Correlation doesn't equal causation.

[QUOTE=DamagePoint;36717762]Still doesn't mean she deserved the death penalty.[/QUOTE] there's a very large difference between the death penalty and acting in self-defense. with the death penalty, you have time to consider the ramifications of your actions (not that I think people reach the right conclusions most of the time), and the death penalty is, from my view, inherently unecessary.

[QUOTE=MR-X;36717737]People with the mentality of Lankist is what gives people power to commit atrocities like the holocausts, genocide, etc.[/QUOTE] mind blown!

[QUOTE=LoLWaT?;36717789]The world can't always work that way unforuntately.[/QUOTE] Only because people say "the world can't always work that way."

[QUOTE=sdwise;36717775]My point is that the armed homeowner/unarmed assailant argument is moot. He was unarmed, she was armed. Her hesitation ended in her being brutalized. It's plain and fucking simple.[/QUOTE] I'm sorry about your great-grandmother, but one outcome does not mean that the entire argument is flawed.

[QUOTE=dogmachines;36717795]Maybe it's got something to do with the intruder? If somebody threatens you enough that you defend yourself they are probably armed/violent. Correlation doesn't equal causation.[/QUOTE] Those are national statistics over all cases of robbery in the year 2006.

[QUOTE=Kopimi;36717781]there's a difference between an after-the-fact vengeful justice and assumed self defense[/QUOTE] Yeah definitely, but if neither of them had guns in the first place none of this would have happened. At the worst the homeowner might have had a few hundred dollars of jewelry stolen and then they could have called it a day. But now someone is dead.

[QUOTE=Lankist;36717773][url]http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/pub/pdf/cvus06.pdf[/url] Crime statistics on Robbery. Table 68. Percent of victimizations in which victims took self-protective measures, by type of crime and victim-offender relationship Completed/property taken 49.1 -With injury 67.4 -Without injury 35.3 Attempted to take property 79.7 -With injury 87.7 -Without injury 77.8 Statistically, MORE people get injured when they try to defend themselves[/QUOTE] People don't care about statistics though because to them it comes down to "sure statistically more people get out uninjured by not doing anything but there is always that chance that something will happen to me so I better take my chances" Even the small amount of examples posted in this thread are enough to persuade someone to defend themselves and take the risk instead of hoping nothing happens

[QUOTE=MR-X;36717737]People with the mentality of Lankist is what gives people power to commit atrocities like the holocausts, genocide, etc.[/QUOTE] oh no my feelings [editline]11th July 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=bobsynergy;36717815]People don't care about statistics though because to them it comes down to "sure statistically more people get out uninjured by not doing anything but there is always that chance that something will happen to me so I better take my chances" Even the small amount of examples posted in this thread are enough to persuade someone to defend themselves and take the risk instead of hoping nothing happens[/QUOTE] The law cares.

[QUOTE=DamagePoint;36717810]Yeah definitely, but if neither of them had guns in the first place none of this would have happened. At the worst the homeowner might have had a few hundred dollars of jewelry stolen and then they could have called it a day. But now someone is dead.[/QUOTE] at worst she was armed and she killed the people inside the house she broke into