Teenage Girl Shot And Killed In Texas Because Of Stand Your Ground Law - Polidicks

[QUOTE=dogmachines;36717915]And neither are they the fucking tooth fairy. It isn't a huge leap to assume the guy who just broke in with a gun is a threat that should be eliminated.[/QUOTE] It's too huge a leap to take a life.

[QUOTE=Lankist;36717881]my philosophy that we shouldn't kill people[/QUOTE] Get criminals to follow it and we'll talk.

[quote]This is true because it is impossible to know the intention of an assailant.[/quote] Which is funny because you've continuously assumed the intention of all robbers ever because of one incident. You actually did it just now: [quote]People in this thread would rather old women be raped than defend their property. So rather than shoot their assailant with no clear understanding of their intention, old women should wait until they're already being raped to decide if it is ok to defend themselves.[/quote] You're dumb.

[QUOTE=sdwise;36717904]Correct me if i've missed anything. [/QUOTE] i think you missed your weekly psych evaluation i mean you're answering your own question with a response you came up with

[QUOTE=sdwise;36717919]I never mentioned the holocaust.... It's about my great grandma... You've confused me with someone else.[/QUOTE] Sorry I've been accused of rape and of being responsible for the holocaust in the last fifteen minutes because I adhere to the Golden Rule. It's really hard to keep up with all this slander.

[QUOTE=Lankist;36717874]No it isn't. This is how the law works. This is why you run before you fight.[/QUOTE] I agree that you should try to find the route with the least harm to both sides. HOWEVER, if I have a family and someone breaks into the house with a weapon, I'm not going to turn tail and run away. I'm going to defend my home and the people I love. I don't understand why this is such a despicable thing.

[QUOTE=_jesterk;36717903]Alright you can go ahead and pin an average-sized man or woman to the ground with one limb while using one hand to dial and the other to hold the gun while using your other leg for balance. That will work out perfectly.[/QUOTE] So you are suggesting that a person would struggle when they have a gun to their head? I don't think that is a very wise idea. What am I supposed to do in this situation, shoot them? Let them run up and slap me across the face? What are you saying I should do?

[QUOTE=Lankist;36717922]It's too huge a leap to take a life.[/QUOTE] No, it isn't. They've already shown they don't respect the law or my rights. Why should I risk my life and the life of others by assuming they won't further brutalize anyone in the house when I have the means to end the situation quickly?

[QUOTE=dogmachines;36717923]Get criminals to follow it and we'll talk.[/QUOTE] You aren't the law. You don't get to decide what to do with criminals, Dredd.

[QUOTE=Lankist;36717937]You aren't the law. You don't get to decide what to do with criminals, Dredd.[/QUOTE] But the criminals get to decide what to do with me. Take your pacifist bullshit somewhere else.

[QUOTE=dogmachines;36717936]No, it isn't. They've already shown they don't respect the law or my rights. Why should I risk my life and the life of others by assuming they won't further brutalize anyone in the house?[/QUOTE] All they've shown is they don't care for your door. And what do you mean "further" brutalize? Nobody's been hypothetically brutalized yet. You said they broke down your door so you have full right to straight up kill them.

[QUOTE=Lankist;36717937]You aren't the law. You don't get to decide what to do with criminals, Dredd.[/QUOTE] He's not deciding what to do with criminals, though.

[QUOTE=_jesterk;36717925]Which is funny because you've continuously assumed the intention of all robbers ever because of one incident. You actually did it just now: You're dumb.[/QUOTE] How so? If a person willingly commits an act of aggression (i.e. breaking and entering), why is it unnatural to assume that another will occur? The assailant has initiated aggressive contact, it is only logical to respond defensively, rather than wait to be raped.

[QUOTE=dogmachines;36717944]But the criminals get to decide what to do with me. Take your pacifist bullshit somewhere else.[/QUOTE] Gee, sorry, rambo, I don't wanna' mess with you.

[QUOTE=Lankist;36717937]You aren't the law. You don't get to decide what to do with criminals, Dredd.[/QUOTE] please wait until after you're dead and the american justice system will promptly revive you and take care of the assailant

[QUOTE=Lankist;36717909]what does any of this have to do with the holocaust again[/QUOTE] i think because you think you shouldn't kill people it means that you would have let the holocaust happen or something i actually really really resent this disgusting callous attempt to use the holocaust in that shitty argument, even if i wasn't a descendant of a holocaust survivor i would still find it really really stupid to insult lankist using the holocaust i didn't have my family survive it just so some nerd on facepunch can use it as a barb in a self-defense thread

[QUOTE=JeanLuc761;36717931]I agree that you should try to find the route with the least harm to both sides. HOWEVER, if I have a family and someone breaks into the house with a weapon, I'm not going to turn tail and run away. I'm going to defend my home and the people I love. I don't understand why this is such a despicable thing.[/QUOTE] Taking a life is despicable in all forms. I'm talking specifically about Castle Doctrine being a crock, but on an ethical level you aren't vindicated in the taking of another human life [I]ever[/I]. You can rationalize it as being necessary, but that doesn't make it righteous.

[QUOTE=sdwise;36717950]How so? If a person willingly commits an act of aggression (i.e. breaking and entering), why is it unnatural to assume that another will occur? The assailant has initiated aggressive contact, it is only logical to respond defensively, rather than wait to be raped.[/QUOTE] I'm confused. Rape is the final outcome for every act of aggression?

Such a pity that a hot girl would do something as mean as a robbery.

[QUOTE=Kopimi;36717953]please wait until after you're dead and the american justice system will promptly revive you and take care of the assailant[/QUOTE] Is this a threat?

[QUOTE=bobsynergy;36717916]Confirmed picture of PaChIrA [img]http://thefilmfellas.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/bruce-willis-bruce-willis1.jpeg[/img] Sorry but I picture an action movie when I read that post :v:[/QUOTE] Usually an action movie would result in the criminal getting killed, I don't want to kill them. I just want to hold them until police arrive or try to get them to flee from my property.

[QUOTE=Lankist;36717945]All they've shown is they don't care for your door. And what do you mean "further" brutalize? Nobody's been hypothetically brutalized yet. You said they broke down your door so you have full right to straight up kill them.[/QUOTE] When an armed criminal breaks down your door something happens. You fear for your life, or at least rational and sane people do. I'm not saying that by simply breaking in this guy has earned a bullet in the face, I'm just saying that an armed intruder is a legitimate threat and responding with force, especially when you have the upper hand via surprise, is not an unreasonable course of action.

[QUOTE=PaChIrA;36717967]Usually an action movie would result in the criminal getting killed, I don't want to kill them. I just want to hold them until police arrive or try to get them to flee from my property.[/QUOTE] Except shooting at someone who has a gun and is scared of you will not make them run. They'll do the opposite.

[QUOTE=JeanLuc761;36717931]I agree that you should try to find the route with the least harm to both sides. HOWEVER, if I have a family and someone breaks into the house with a weapon, I'm not going to turn tail and run away. I'm going to defend my home and the people I love. I don't understand why this is such a despicable thing.[/QUOTE] that's not what he saying, he's saying that not only should the law not favour any usage of force in self-defense, it also shouldn't be seen as the most favourable outcome. and you can't tell me "oh no nobody thinks that killing the robber is the most favourable income" because that's a complete and utter lie. almost every single thread that results in a criminal getting killed gets tons of praise and ratings thrown about while the one single person saying "well this sucks" gets shit thrown at him.

[QUOTE=_jesterk;36717962]I'm confused. Rape is the final outcome for every act of aggression?[/QUOTE] Not necessarily, but it can be. As can murder, theft, vandalism, or any other number of aggressive acts. The person who is the victim of the initiating aggressor should have the right to preempt any further harm to themselves or their property. [editline]time[/editline] Preempting further harm being the definition of defense.

[QUOTE=dogmachines;36717970]When an armed criminal breaks down your door something happens. You fear for your life, or at least rational and sane people do.[/QUOTE] Yeah, I do. That's why I run. That's why I say fuck it to all my stuff and possessions and I get my ass and my family's asses out of there. I don't force a confrontation with the intruder. I get the fuck out. I don't want anything violent to happen, and I sure as shit will not be the one to initiate it.

[QUOTE=_jesterk;36717976]Except shooting at someone who has a gun and is scared of you will not make them run. They'll do the opposite.[/QUOTE] The obvious answer here is don't miss. It's the main reason why I'm in favor of weapon training courses. [editline]11th July 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Lankist;36717987]Yeah, I do. That's why I run. That's why I say fuck it to all my stuff and possessions and I get my ass and my family's asses out of there. I don't force a confrontation with the intruder. I get the fuck out. I don't want anything violent to happen, and I sure as shit will not be the one to initiate it.[/QUOTE] That's you, and you have that right. I have the right to defend myself, and I will.

[QUOTE=dogmachines;36717989]The obvious answer here is don't miss. It's the main reason why I'm in favor of weapon training courses.[/QUOTE] You just argued that you can scare them off without killing them. Now you're just saying to kill them no matter what. I'm sorry, but this is not self defense. Self defense implies something other than your front door is under assault.

[QUOTE=Lankist;36717987]Yeah, I do. That's why I run. That's why I say fuck it to all my stuff and possessions and I get my ass and my family's asses out of there. I don't force a confrontation with the intruder. I get the fuck out. I don't want anything violent to happen, and I sure as shit will not be the one to initiate it.[/QUOTE] This. You have a thing called insurance for a reason. It does not apply to people.

[QUOTE=dogmachines;36717989]That's you, and you have that right. I have the right to defend myself, and I will.[/QUOTE] You don't have the right to kill.