Teenage Girl Shot And Killed In Texas Because Of Stand Your Ground Law - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Lankist;36718527]uhh how is "we are not going to heaven. We are 4 billion years of evolutionary success. Death is a permanent loss, and the odds of our even being here right now are astronomical in scope" not factually realistic? you do realize that poetry and reality are not mutually exclusive. If you've got a better reality I would love to hear it.[/QUOTE] What can you prove as true aside from the statement 'I am'? Think about it carefully. Discussing, arguing about or pondering what is, what has been, what might be, how we got here, if the big bang exists, if god exists, if morals are right is totally irrelevant and leaves you wading around in delusion like an entranced zombie fighting for everything he [b]has been told by other people[/b] his entire life - which he didn't once check for authenticity or validate for himself. That said, once you realize this, you can pick and choose beliefs that you feel like knowing that they're all equally as bullshit as one another and stop involving yourself in petty discussions with zombies.

[QUOTE=sdwise;36718621]I've never killed anyone, but you may as well label me the worst fucking person on the planet. Why? Because I wish my great-grandmother had pulled the trigger on that fucking rapist. I wish his brains were staining her fucking floor. People. Will. Do. Evil. And you have no way of knowing when, why, or how. It is better to abolish, indeed to [b]kill[/b] the initial aggressor than to allow yourself to become a statistic. A victim at the hands of another person who lacked the spine to respect your property and honor the sanctity of your home. If defending myself, my family, and my property from an initial aggressor makes me a bad person, then I will wear your arbitrary label with pride, that I may prevent some greater evil.[/QUOTE] and this makes you a righteous person how?

[QUOTE=Lankist;36718620]We are the only known meta-cognizant species in the entire universe capable of appreciating and valuing life. What does it say about us if we don't?[/QUOTE] Nothing, because it doesn't matter what it says about us. The human race doesn't have some huge "Karma Meter". Seriously, who are you trying to impress? What species/being are you trying to prove that we "value life" to? What does it matter if we do or don't on a great cosmic scale?

[QUOTE=SCopE5000;36718631]Discussing, arguing about or pondering what is, what has been, what might be, how we got here, if the big bang exists, if god exists,[/QUOTE] because one side has evidence and the other doesn't. [editline]11th July 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Loriborn;36718636]Nothing, because it doesn't matter what it says about us. The human race doesn't have some huge "Karma Meter". Seriously, who are you trying to impress? What species/being are you trying to prove that we "value life" to? What does it matter if we do or don't on a great cosmic scale?[/QUOTE] Hey you're a sociopath [editline]11th July 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Bletotum;36718578]I asked, and not originally directed at you, what makes life intrinsically valuable so that it is always bad to kill someone. You replied. Infact, you replied rather hatefully that I was a terrible person, with no explanation. Since this point I've pressed you to prove this point.[/QUOTE] Hey motherfucker going to admit your question was a red herring yet? Look at where the thread went when I indulged you? Suddenly it went totally off of your argument and onto metaphysics and shit. Pretty convenient, right!

[QUOTE=Lankist;36718633]and this makes you a righteous person how?[/QUOTE] It's not a matter of righteousness. Does running from a confrontation and allowing your wife, your daughter, hell, even yourself to be killed, raped, or maimed make you righteous? Or just someone who is very confused about the legitimacy of a life used for aggression.

[QUOTE=sdwise;36718652]It's not a matter of righteousness. Does running from a confrontation and allowing your wife, your daughter, hell, even yourself to be killed, raped, or maimed make you righteous? Or just someone who is very confused about the legitimacy of a life used for aggression.[/QUOTE] You don't get to decide legitimacy. Existing is legitimate enough to qualify as life being lived. How can you, on one hand, say that someone deserves to die when they are a threat to one's life, but then on the other feel absolutely no empathy for the one whose life you wish to have taken?

[QUOTE=Lankist;36718639]because one side has evidence and the other doesn't. [editline]11th July 2012[/editline] Hey you're a sociopath[/QUOTE] Oh, that's funny, because you label people as "good" or "evil" blindly based on no circumstances and defend it with some poetic dribble about us being so unique and special when we're not actually as perfect as you think we are. You also seem to want to impress aliens or something because you keep talking about what stuff "says about our species" when the only people it affects are the ones who have nothing better to do but defend sitting idly by as rapists violate their daughter on the internet.

[QUOTE=Lankist;36718330]That is exactly what I'm implying. I'm not even implying it. I'm saying it directly: Anyone who takes a life is a bad person.[/QUOTE] Tell this to the woman who killed a man who was attempting to break in to her home and rape her for a second time. Seriously, I want you to go up to her and tell her that she is a bad person because of what she did.

[QUOTE=Loriborn;36718662]Oh, that's funny, because you label people as "good" or "evil" blindly based on no circumstances and defend it with some poetic dribble about us being so unique and special when we're not actually as perfect as you think we are. You also seem to want to impress aliens or something because you keep talking about what stuff "says about our species" when the only people it affects are the ones who have nothing better to do but defend sitting idly by as rapists violate their daughter.[/QUOTE] Yes that's exactly what I'm doing. I'm defending rapists. [img]http://www.desmogblog.com/sites/beta.desmogblog.com/files/blogimages/strawman2.jpg[/img] quick argue about it. [editline]11th July 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Hobo4President;36718672]Tell this to the woman who killed a man who was attempting to break in to her home and rape her for a second time. Seriously, I want you to go up to her and tell her that she is a bad person because of what she did.[/QUOTE] Why would I do that? I'm not knocking on doors. You people came here. I didn't come to you.

[QUOTE=Lankist;36718674]Yes that's exactly what I'm doing. I'm defending rapists. [img]http://www.desmogblog.com/sites/beta.desmogblog.com/files/blogimages/strawman2.jpg[/img] quick argue about it.[/QUOTE] I didn't say you were defending rapists, I said you were defending "sitting idly by as", but good try on that whole avoiding the subject just to avoid actually defending your morals based in emotional fallacies.

[QUOTE=Lankist;36718674]Yes that's exactly what I'm doing. I'm defending rapists. [/QUOTE] You're not defending rapists, but you ARE apparently condemning people who chose to defend themselves with lethal force against said rapists.

You jump really quickly into calling people sociopaths, among other things. You clearly have some strange desire to feel better about yourself. Red Herring: Something, esp. a clue, that is or is intended to be misleading or distracting: "the book is fast-paced and full of red herrings". It is not a red herring to ask a question related to something said by you, and not directed towards you, in a general discussion. It only became an argument to get you to explain yourself after you escalated the situation by throwing insults around, particularly ones that imply you are superior. You still never answered me. Nor will you. You are unable to handle being wrong.

[QUOTE=Lankist;36718639] Hey you're a sociopath[/QUOTE] [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2y8Sx4B2Sk[/media]

[QUOTE=JeanLuc761;36718680]You're not defending rapists, but you ARE apparently condemning people who chose to defend themselves with lethal force against said rapists.[/QUOTE] Condemning them to what? I said killing is bad and only bad people do it? Have I implied any [I]consequences[/I]? Motherfucker demanded five times I tell him the meaning of life and I gave him one.

[QUOTE=Lankist;36718655]You don't get to decide legitimacy. Existing is legitimate enough to qualify as life being lived. How can you, on one hand, say that someone deserves to die when they are a threat to one's life, but then on the other feel absolutely no empathy for the one whose life you wish to have taken?[/QUOTE] It's not a matter of empathy either. Death is sad, yes, but justifiable under certain circumstances. Aggressive action has no legitimacy. Ever. The initial aggressor must be staved off in whatever way you deem most fitting, be it appeasement or causing him to suddenly find himself without a head. Deal with the illegitimacies of aggression in your own way, but leave others to do the same. Do not advocate the stripping of your neighbors right to defend himself against aggression.

Lankist did something bad in his life, and so now he has to feel superior to everyone by calling them a sociopath if they do anything even remotely off of his moral path, which is actually based in some emotional fallacy that is that "humans are better than everything ever and you're a bad person for protecting your family".

[QUOTE=Loriborn;36718697]Lankist did something bad in his life, and so now he has to feel superior to everyone by calling them a sociopath if they do anything even remotely off of his moral path, which is actually based in some emotional fallacy that is that "humans are better than everything ever and you're a bad person for protecting your family".[/QUOTE] One who compares human life to that of fowl. Would you prefer the term nihilist? That implies more hatred of humanity than general apathy implied by sociopathy. [editline]11th July 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Bletotum;36718682]You still never answered me. Nor will you. You are unable to handle being wrong.[/QUOTE] You asked me for the meaning of life. For fuck's sakes do you realize what this page of the thread has been an exercise in? It's been an exercise in how ridiculous your fucking rhetoric is, demanding a meaning to life and proclaiming victory when you aren't satisfied by the answer. You want to go back to defending Castle Doctrine? Be my fucking guest. But don't sit here and pretend you won something by asking an impossible question and getting an unsatisfactory answer. Shit, maybe the republicans should try this shit next time they debate abortion. "TELL ME THE MEANING OF LIFE OR ABORTION IS ILLEGAL."

[QUOTE=Lankist;36718692]Condemning them to what? I said killing is bad and only bad people do it? Have I implied any [I]consequences[/I]? Motherfucker demanded five times I tell him the meaning of life and I gave him one.[/QUOTE] Maybe "label" would have been a better word, but regardless: I do not consider someone a bad person if they are forced to kill a rapist before/during/after he commits that act. As far as I'm concerned, that rapist doesn't not deserve any respect or sympathy from me. How is the victim a bad person for defending themselves? That's the part of your viewpoint that I am unable to understand.

[QUOTE=Lankist;36718639]because one side has evidence and the other doesn't.[/QUOTE] You missed my point entirely. 'Evidence' is as much a theatrical device as 'Blind faith'. Prove to yourself anything other than the truth 'Cogito Ergo Sum' - 'I am' - You'll find that you can't and you'll then see what billions of people miss and can start removing all the bullshit added to that from your life. I am the wisest man alive, for I know one thing, and that is that I know nothing. - Socrates And those whose hearts are fixed on Reality itself deserve the title of Philosophers. - Plato

so·ci·o·path/ˈsōsēōˌpaTH/ Noun: A person with a personality disorder manifesting itself in extreme antisocial attitudes and behavior and a lack of conscience. con·science/ˈkänCHəns/ Noun: An inner feeling or voice viewed as acting as a guide to the rightness or wrongness of one's behavior. oh no we are sociopaths for being antisocial(???), and clearly lack a sense of what is right and wrong because "it is wrong to kill because it is wrong to kill MOTHERFUCKER YOURE A SOCIOPATH FOR DISAGREEING WITH ME"

[QUOTE=Lankist;36718704]One who compares human life to that of fowl. Would you prefer the term nihilist? That implies more hatred of humanity than general apathy implied by sociopathy.[/QUOTE] I compare life to fowl because we're not better than chickens. On a great cosmic scale, we're nothing special compared to the vastness of the universe. Not saying we can't still enjoy life, but we're not better than anything else if we don't kill anyone ever and sit idly by as bad shit happens to us. Being able to look at life with varying perspectives and not just in "good" or "bad" is kind of something you learn early on in life. If you still think anything is "evil" or "good" then something is wrong with your perception on human nature, and that makes you the nihilist.

[QUOTE=_jesterk;36718684][media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2y8Sx4B2Sk[/media][/QUOTE] One who suffers a disconnect or inability to be empathetic toward others. Such as one who compares human life to that of fowl.

[QUOTE=Bletotum;36718732]so·ci·o·path/ˈsōsēōˌpaTH/ Noun: A person with a personality disorder manifesting itself in extreme antisocial attitudes and behavior and a lack of conscience. con·science/ˈkänCHəns/ Noun: An inner feeling or voice viewed as acting as a guide to the rightness or wrongness of one's behavior. oh no we are sociopaths for being antisocial(???), and clearly lack a sense of what is right and wrong because "it is wrong to kill because it is wrong to kill MOTHERFUCKER YOURE A SOCIOPATH FOR DISAGREEING WITH ME"[/QUOTE] I think Lankist fits that definition of "sociopath"

[QUOTE=SCopE5000;36718726]You missed my point entirely. 'Evidence' is as much a theatrical device as 'Blind faith'. Prove to yourself anything other than the truth 'Cogito Ergo Sum' - 'I am' - You'll find that you can't and you'll then see what billions of people miss and can start removing all the bullshit added to that from your life. I am the wisest man alive, for I know one thing, and that is that I know nothing. - Socrates And those whose hearts are fixed on Reality itself deserve the title of Philosophers. - Plato[/QUOTE] Oh my god, a man who understands. This may have nothing to do with the thread, but can I just say how much I love you?

[QUOTE=SCopE5000;36718726]'Evidence' is as much a theatrical device as 'Blind faith'.[/QUOTE] Hahaha okay sure. What next? How about we talk about solipsism, captain psych 101!

[QUOTE=Lankist;36718738]One who suffers a disconnect or inability to be empathetic toward others. Such as one who compares human life to that of fowl.[/QUOTE] I feel empathy, but I feel just as bad seeing an animal die as I see a human die.

[QUOTE=Lankist;36718704]One who compares human life to that of fowl. Would you prefer the term nihilist? That implies more hatred of humanity than general apathy implied by sociopathy. [editline]11th July 2012[/editline] You asked me for the meaning of life. For fuck's sakes do you realize what this page of the thread has been an exercise in? It's been an exercise in how ridiculous your fucking rhetoric is, demanding a meaning to life and proclaiming victory when you aren't satisfied by the answer. You want to go back to defending Castle Doctrine? Be my fucking guest. But don't sit here and pretend you won something by asking an impossible question and getting an unsatisfactory answer. Shit, maybe the republicans should try this shit next time they debate abortion. "TELL ME THE MEANING OF LIFE OR ABORTION IS ILLEGAL."[/QUOTE] You have repeatedly chosen to not rebut my claims on your explanation of life's importance. You are choosing to whine and dance around the topic rather than being direct.

[QUOTE=Lankist;36718744]Hahaha okay sure. What next? How about we talk about solipsism, captain psych 101![/QUOTE] Post # 518, when you're ready.

[QUOTE=Lankist;36718620]We are the only known meta-cognizant species in the entire universe capable of appreciating and valuing life. What does it say about us if we don't?[/QUOTE] The only difference between us and the plastic your keyboard is made of is that we are animate and your keyboard is not. We are animals. This is fact. We, as a species, are not special, we are not unique. If the matter you are composed of simply ceased to exist one day, it would not affect the course of the universe in any significant way. Life has no inherent value. The only value it has is the value we, as a society, place upon it. Humans kill other humans, just like every species. We have done so for thousands of years and will continue to do so until our ultimate demise. However, some people contribute more to our society than others. At the end of the day it comes down to this: who would you rather see alive, the innocent victim or the intruder who harms "4 billion years of evolutionary success?"

[QUOTE=Loriborn;36718749]I feel empathy, but I feel just as bad seeing an animal die as I see a human die.[/QUOTE] Yeah, that isn't empathy. Empathy is toward people. "Empathy is the capacity to recognize feelings that are being experienced by another sapient being." Feeling the same about chickens as you do people is fucking psychotic. [editline]11th July 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=HolyCrusade;36718768]The only difference between us and the plastic your keyboard is made of is that we are animate and your keyboard is not. We are animals. This is fact. We, as a species, are not special, we are not unique. If the matter you are composed of simply ceased to exist one day, it would not affect the course of the universe in any significant way. Life has no inherent value. The only value it has is the value we, as a society, place upon it. Humans kill other humans, just like every species. We have done so for thousands of years and will continue to do so until our ultimate demise. However, some people contribute more to our society than others. At the end of the day it comes down to this: who would you rather see alive, the innocent victim or the intruder who harms "4 billion years of evolutionary success?"[/QUOTE] Thank you for your input, captain nihilism. i look forward to your manifesto.