Teenage Girl Shot And Killed In Texas Because Of Stand Your Ground Law - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Dori;36716711]um posting a link to her facebook memorial so people can ridicule her is stooping pretty low[/QUOTE] Moreso; ridicule her mourning family and friends.

[QUOTE=ryfry99;36716647]those are singles bro[/QUOTE]Regardless of how much it was (and it isn't all singles) it's still clearly evident that she wasn't needy.

[QUOTE=OvB;36716704]One of the local store's here has a sticker on their window that reads: "Nothing inside worth dying for." and it's accompanied with a human silhouette target with holes in the head and torso. [/QUOTE] If it's not worth dying for then why is it worth killing for? Hmmmmm it's almost as if our societal attitude that justifies the use of deadly force to protect meager amounts of private property has some flaws?????

[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;36716710]an unattractive middle aged burglar doesn't deserve to die for petty theft either[/QUOTE] True, but when it becomes a home invasion then the crime has taken a significant step up from "petty theft," has it not?

Of course she was gonna get shot, she breaks into a place it's bound to happen. OP makes it sound as if she was just an innocent girl who did nothing wrong.

[QUOTE=Killer900;36716635]Oh please, she knew what she was getting into, she knew the risks, it's her own damn fault and frankly we're better off as a society without people like her breaking into other people's homes intent on stealing from them. And it isn't like she was poor or anything, she had no excuse, good riddance.[/QUOTE] yeah let's just round up undesirables and kill them off; maybe in some sort of camp...

[QUOTE=Killer900;36716718]Regardless of how much it was (and it isn't all singles) it's still clearly evident that she wasn't needy.[/QUOTE] uh that's not real money dude this might disappoint you but people don't pose with real money shoving it down their shorts

[QUOTE=JeanLuc761;36716730]True, but when it becomes a home invasion then the crime has taken a significant step up from "petty theft," has it not?[/QUOTE] it only takes a step up when she reveals herself to be threat to the homeowners lives (i'm guessing she wasn't about to rape and murder them)

[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;36716710]an unattractive middle aged burglar doesn't deserve to die for petty theft either[/QUOTE] Holding someone at gunpoint and threatening their lives isn't "petty theft", it's a life or death situation. On top of that, in the other article I posted, one of her accomplices admits that he believes he was the one who accidentally shot her.

[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;36716722]If it's not worth dying for then why is it worth killing for? Hmmmmm it's almost as if our societal attitude that justifies the use of deadly force to protect meager amounts of private property has some flaws?????[/QUOTE] These laws and social constructs don't exist to protect our property (though that may be a side-issue), they exist in order to justify defending oneself or others. These laws ensure that you won't be criminally prosecuted in the event you have to (reasonably) use lethal force in self-defense, with the Castle Doctrine dealing specifically with your home.

[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;36716739]yeah let's just round up undesirables and kill them off; maybe in some sort of camp...[/QUOTE] overreact some more

[QUOTE=Killer900;36716635]Oh please, she knew what she was getting into, she knew the risks, it's her own damn fault and frankly we're better off as a society without people like her breaking into other people's homes intent on stealing from them. And it isn't like she was poor or anything, she had no excuse, good riddance. [IMG]http://i.huffpost.com/gadgets/slideshows/237727/slide_237727_1205393_free.jpg[/IMG] Case in point[/QUOTE] Are those all one dollar bills? She definitely does not look rich.

[QUOTE=thisispain;36716749]uh that's not real money dude[/QUOTE]Hard to tell [QUOTE=.FLAP.JACK.DAN.;36716775]Are those all one dollar bills? She definitely does not look rich.[/QUOTE]I never said she was rich. [QUOTE=SigmaLambda;36716739]yeah let's just round up undesirables and kill them off; maybe in some sort of camp...[/QUOTE]Uh, that isn't what I meant..

[QUOTE=JeanLuc761;36716762]These laws and social constructs don't exist to protect our property (though that may be a side-issue), they exist in order to justify defending oneself or others. These laws ensure that you won't be criminally prosecuted in the event you have to (reasonably) use lethal force in self-defense, with the Castle Doctrine dealing specifically with your home.[/QUOTE] hmmmm maybe i should have specifically quoted and emphasized the fact that I was talking about defending property and not defending lives oh wait a second I did do those things and you apparently didn't read them??

[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;36716750]it only takes a step up when she reveals herself to be threat to the homeowners lives (i'm guessing she wasn't about to rape and murder them)[/QUOTE] In many cases, it's not particularly wise to wait and see if the invader is actually intending to harm you. This goes double when it's night and you can't even see them. When it comes to a situation like this, you don't give the robber a second chance, ESPECIALLY if they don't back off. You shoot, and you shoot to kill. [editline]11th July 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=SigmaLambda;36716784]hmmmm maybe i should have specifically quoted and emphasized the fact that I was talking about defending property and not defending lives oh wait a second I did do those things and you apparently didn't read them??[/QUOTE] I know. I was refuting your point because what you were saying wasn't entirely true.

[QUOTE=joeboe242;36716766]overreact some more[/QUOTE] no, no, I'm being serious. I completely agree that I, an internet nerde, should be able to make value judgements of peoples lives and decide who lives or dies. I am not being sarcastic at all.

[QUOTE=Dori;36716711]um posting a link to her facebook memorial so people can ridicule her is stooping pretty low why would you even do that [editline]1[/editline] I'm assuming you haven't had to suffer the pain of somebody close to you dying, otherwise you wouldn't be doing this[/QUOTE] i wasn't posting it so people can ridicule her, nobody can even join as the admin of it has it set to allow requests, it was so people can see her story from her friends and what they're going through.

[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;36716784]hmmmm maybe i should have specifically quoted and emphasized the fact that I was talking about defending property and not defending lives oh wait a second I did do those things and you apparently didn't read them??[/QUOTE] Signs like that exist to ward off potential armed robberies. If someone comes in and shoplifts he's not going to get shot. And that's in the case of a store. In a home invasion the situation becomes much worse, and chances are you will get shot at. Best way not to get shot is not to do it. They only have themselves to blame for being dead.

[QUOTE=Killer900;36716779]Hard to tell[/QUOTE] hard to tell???

[QUOTE=thisispain;36716818]hard to tell???[/QUOTE]Yeaaaa that's what I typed yes? They seem real to me. How else would either of us really know though?

[QUOTE=Killer900;36716827]Yeaaaa that's what I typed yes?[/QUOTE] indeed

[QUOTE=JeanLuc761;36716787]In many cases, it's not particularly wise to wait and see if the invader is actually intending to harm you. This goes double when it's night and you can't even see them. When it comes to a situation like this, you don't give the robber a second chance, ESPECIALLY if they don't back off. You shoot, and you shoot to kill.[/QUOTE] Or you don't shoot, not to kill, instead. You see, I'm of the persuasion that midnight-masked-burglar-with-a-dark-object-in-his-hand-being-stared-down-by-a-noble-homeowner scenarios are not ones that actually happen that often and that castle doctrine is more often invoked in defense of blatant shoot-first-ask-questions-later situations. If the home invader was a genuine threat, then a court would be able to see that and they wouldn't need blanket laws like stand your ground and castle doctrines to absolve them of responsibility. [QUOTE=JeanLuc761;36716787]I know. I was refuting your point because what you were saying wasn't entirely true.[/QUOTE] except you didn't even address my point and talked about a different point???

She arranged a robbery of an occupied home? How stupid is that? No wonder she winds up getting herself killed. I bet those two guys went along with it because they each thought they'd get a piece of that later. Now two 21 year olds get to spend a lifetime in prison being the piece getting passed around.

[QUOTE=cecilbdemodded;36716852] I bet those two guys went along with it because they each thought they'd get a piece of that later. Now two 21 year olds get to spend a lifetime in prison being the piece getting passed around.[/QUOTE] Hot stuff there, you should write a fanfic on the Facebook page.

[QUOTE=OvB;36716815]Signs like that exist to ward off potential armed robberies. If someone comes in and shoplifts he's not going to get shot.[/QUOTE] But, I'd be willing to bet that any robber who isn't scared off by the sign would be more likely to come into the store armed themselves and not give the employees any chances. As much as movies make gun-toting seven eleven clerks seem cool, you ask any corporate head who are actually aware of the statistics involved in robberies and they'll tell you that the best thing to do to protect your own life is just give into the robbers demands. This is like the first thing they teach you in orientation for any retail job. [QUOTE=OvB;36716815]They only have themselves to blame for being dead. [/QUOTE] and the person who shot them, too. you see, I'm not one of those people who thinks that making a stupid mistake means a person deserves to die. [editline]10th July 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=cecilbdemodded;36716852]She arranged a robbery of an occupied home? How stupid is that? No wonder she winds up getting herself killed. I bet those two guys went along with it because they each thought they'd get a piece of that later. Now two 21 year olds get to spend a lifetime in prison being the piece getting passed around.[/QUOTE] hey guy, be even creepier. i dare you.

[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;36716840]Or you don't shoot, not to kill, instead. You see, I'm of the persuasion that midnight-masked-burglar-with-a-dark-object-in-his-hand-being-stared-down-by-a-noble-homeowner scenarios are not ones that actually happen that often and that castle doctrine is more often invoked in defense of blatant shoot-first-ask-questions-later situations. If the home invader was a genuine threat, then a court would be able to see that and they wouldn't need blanket laws like stand your ground and castle doctrines to absolve them of responsibility. except you didn't even address my point and talked about a different point???[/QUOTE] Well, a home invasion IS a "shoot-first-ask-questions-later" situation, isn't it? You don't give the invader(s) a chance to get an advantage. You're more than welcome to give them a warning or attempt to assess the situation (which isn't always possible), but the invaders quite literally lost their right to live the second they broke into your home. Like I said earlier, it's a shame that she was killed but it's her own damn fault.

[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;36716870]But, I'd be willing to bet that any robber who isn't scared off by the sign would be more likely to come into the store armed themselves and not give the employees any chances. and the person who shot them, too. you see, I'm not one of those people who thinks that making a stupid mistake means a person deserves to die. [editline]10th July 2012[/editline] hey guy, be even creepier. i dare you.[/QUOTE] Just because people aren't blaming him doesn't mean they think she deserves to die.

sigmalambda You gotta do what you gotta do when it comes to armed robbery, if they were not armed I would agree with you.

[QUOTE=Moustacheman;36716130]Stand your ground is a good law, as long as you know how to exercise your right to it. The fellow who killed this lass obviously didn't.[/QUOTE] that's like saying terrorism is cool as long as you're blowing up the right buildings.

[QUOTE=JeanLuc761;36716884]Well, a home invasion IS a "shoot-first-ask-questions-later" situation, isn't it? You don't give the invader(s) a chance to get an advantage.[/QUOTE] This here is the problem. I think this mentality of "someone is in my house without my permission, so they're probably going to try to murder me" is A: false more often than it is true and B:does more harm than good. I think that is a wrong attitude to hold. [QUOTE=JeanLuc761;36716884] but the invaders quite literally lost their right to live the second they broke into your home. [/QUOTE] lol this is fucking disgusting. you should be ashamed.