Teenage Girl Shot And Killed In Texas Because Of Stand Your Ground Law - Polidicks

[QUOTE=ZF911;36740357]Yeah I'm sorry but I care more about my expensive PC than some scumbag thief.[/QUOTE] just-world fallacy

[QUOTE=Lankist;36740352]Successful self defense cases usually don't fall in front of a jury at all. They're heard by a judge in a closed court. The prosecution usually decides to drop charges at that point if the evidence is substantial enough to support self defense. If you end up in front of a jury, you didn't win a self defense plea.[/QUOTE] Can a jury still not find a defendant innocent on the basis of self defense? Isn't that the type of case the defense makes when a situation like this falls before a jury?

[QUOTE=ZF911;36740383]Like I've said before, I wouldn't shoot to kill unless I thought I had to. That doesn't mean I'm letting him run off with my stuff.[/QUOTE] Haha uhhh not even in Castle states are you allowed to shoot a fleeing suspect. [editline]12th July 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Funcoot;36740386]Can a jury still not find a defendant innocent on the basis of self defense? Isn't that the type of case the defense makes when a situation like this falls before a jury?[/QUOTE] That's incredibly rare. Usually the defense drops self defense when a judge denies it and the prosecution maintains their case, making a plea-bargain for lesser charges. If it ends up in front of the jury, the jury is probably going to convict. By the time it reaches a jury, self defense claims have been vetted and found insubstantial.

[QUOTE=ZF911;36740357]Yeah I'm sorry but I care more about my expensive PC than some scumbag thief.[/QUOTE] Right so what, let's say at absolute max spec you have a 4000 dollar PC or so, dunno the prices for the US. And you would rate that more worthy than the life of a person? Nah mate, got it the wrong way around, you're the scumbag.

[QUOTE=Lankist;36740389]Haha uhhh not even in Castle states are you allowed to shoot a fleeing suspect. [editline]12th July 2012[/editline] That's incredibly rare. Usually the defense drops self defense when a judge denies it and the prosecution maintains their case, making a plea-bargain for lesser charges.[/QUOTE] I didn't say fleeing suspect. If I catch him in my house he has one chance to drop my stuff and surrender. If he runs I'll tackle him, if he pulls a weapon or just continues to grab more of my stuff I'll shoot.

[QUOTE=ZF911;36740420]I didn't say fleeing suspect. If I catch him in my house he has one chance to drop my stuff and surrender. If he runs I'll tackle him, if he pulls a weapon or just continues to grab more of my stuff I'll shoot.[/QUOTE] You said "get away with my stuff." If he just takes your shit and runs, and presents no physical threat to you, you're going to fucking prison if you shoot him. Even Castle states don't permit that shit. This isn't the wild west. Buy insurance. You don't get to take a life for the sake of stuff.

[QUOTE=Lankist;36740369]You are sabotaging yourself. Third case wasn't a thief. He didn't break and enter. He was standing in a driveway and he died for it.[/QUOTE] He lunged at the guy, which is assault and he was probably going to do more than hug him.

[QUOTE=Lankist;36740261] The kid was unarmed, buddy.[/QUOTE] He doesn't have to be armed to be considered a threat, you're not going to risk your life by trying to wrestle someone who's charging at you. The attacker might use your own weapon against you, he might crack your skull on the floor, choke you to death, it's kill or be killed.

[QUOTE=Lankist;36740427]You said "get away with my stuff." If he just takes your shit and runs, and presents no physical threat to you, you're going to fucking prison if you shoot him.[/QUOTE] I didn't say I would.

[QUOTE=FuzzyPoop;36740432]He doesn't have to be armed to be considered a threat[/QUOTE] He does to justify lethal force. [editline]12th July 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=ZF911;36740430]He lunged at the guy, which is assault and he was probably going to do more than hug him.[/QUOTE] He "lunged" AFTER the guy pointed an illegal weapon at him and threatened to kill him. What would you have done, captain "I won't let them hurt me?"

[QUOTE=Lankist;36740384]This is what he said. Don't defend him.[/QUOTE] When I said I care more about my pc than the criminal, I didn't mean I'd intentionally kill. I'll shoot at him, aim somewhere that wont damage my computer, and if he dies he dies. [editline]12th July 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Lankist;36740445]He does to justify lethal force. [editline]12th July 2012[/editline] He "lunged" AFTER the guy pointed an illegal weapon at him and threatened to kill him. What would you have done, captain "I won't let them hurt me?"[/QUOTE] If I was on someone's driveway and they pointed a gun at me I'd put my hands up and back away.

[QUOTE=ZF911;36740437]I didn't say I would.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=ZF911;36740420]I didn't say fleeing suspect. If I catch him in my house he has one chance to drop my stuff and surrender. If he runs I'll tackle him, if he pulls a weapon or [B]just continues to grab more of my stuff I'll shoot.[/B][/QUOTE] Yes you did. If he continues to grab stuff and presents no physical threat, you can't kill him. Period. Your stuff is gone. Call the cops and your insurance company. You don't get to kill for that. Castle doesn't support that kind of nonsense. [editline]12th July 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=ZF911;36740460]If I was on someone's driveway and they pointed a gun at me I'd put my hands up and back away.[/QUOTE] Yeah just like you would if someone were taking your PC right?

[QUOTE=ZF911;36740460]When I said I care more about my pc than the criminal, I didn't mean I'd intentionally kill. I'll shoot at him, aim somewhere that wont damage my computer, and if he dies he dies. [/QUOTE] you are valuing the life of a human below that of a computer the former isn't replaceable

[QUOTE=Lankist;36740476]Yes you did. If he continues to grab stuff and presents no physical threat, you can't kill him. Period. Castle doesn't support that kind of nonsense. [editline]12th July 2012[/editline] Yeah just like you would if someone were taking your PC right?[/QUOTE] Texas castle law protects you if they are on your property uninvited, as well as robbery. And in the second case they are on MY property, the first case would be me on their property.

[QUOTE=Dori;36740488]you are valuing the life of a human below that of a computer the former isn't replaceable[/QUOTE] Furthermore he justifies himself by calling them "scumbags." How is valuing material possessions above human life not scummy?

[QUOTE=Lankist;36740476] Yeah just like you would if someone were taking your PC right?[/QUOTE] what

[QUOTE=ZF911;36740493]Texas castle law protects you if they are on your property uninvited, as well as robbery. And in the second case they are on MY property, the first case would be me on their property.[/QUOTE] No it doesn't. Not if he says "I'm unarmed, I'm taking your things and I'm leaving." Not even in Texas. [editline]12th July 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=FuzzyPoop;36740506]what[/QUOTE] He said he would murder someone for taking his PC, even if they presented no physical threat. [QUOTE=ZF911;36740357]Yeah I'm sorry but I care more about my expensive PC than some scumbag thief.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Lankist;36740496]Furthermore he justifies himself by calling them "scumbags." How is valuing material possessions above human life not scummy?[/QUOTE] How is taking the property of someone else because you can't afford/work hard enough for it not scummy? [editline]12th July 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Lankist;36740508]No it doesn't. Not if he says "I'm unarmed, I'm taking your things and I'm leaving." Not even in Texas. [editline]12th July 2012[/editline] He said he would murder someone for taking his PC, even if they presented no physical threat.[/QUOTE] And I wouldn't shoot to kill unless they had a weapon. Yes I'd shoot in other cases, but not intentionally kill them. If they die when I'm not aiming at a vital organ, it's their fault for not heeding my warnings.

[QUOTE=ZF911;36740526]Because the corpse can tell a courtroom what he said, right?[/QUOTE] oh my god you're fucking crazy person did you seriously just say "I would get away with it?" HOLY SHIT stop posting, you are self-destructing right now. What little credibility you had is going right out the window. Stop this line of thought. Recant and apologize.

[QUOTE=ZF911;36740526] And I wouldn't shoot to kill unless they had a weapon. Yes I'd shoot in other cases, but not intentionally kill them.[/QUOTE] one of the first things you learn is to never draw your gun unless you intend to kill

[QUOTE=Lankist;36740555]oh my god you're fucking crazy person did you seriously just say "I would get away with it?" HOLY SHIT stop posting, you are self-destructing right now.[/QUOTE] If he said "I'm unarmed and just stealing your expensive stuff." I'd give him five seconds to drop it before I'd shoot at his legs. I wouldn't aim for the head, but if he bleeds out from the leg it's his own stupid fault.

Don't edit your post. You said "a corpse can't tell them what happened."

[QUOTE=ZF911;36740576]If he said "I'm unarmed and just stealing your expensive stuff." I'd give him five seconds to drop it before I'd shoot at his legs. I wouldn't aim for the head, but if he bleeds out from the leg it's his own stupid fault.[/QUOTE] yes and it'll be your own stupid fault that you go to prison

[QUOTE=ZF911;36740576]If he said "I'm unarmed and just stealing your expensive stuff." I'd give him five seconds to drop it before I'd shoot at his legs. I wouldn't aim for the head, but if he bleeds out from the leg it's his own stupid fault.[/QUOTE] Holy shit you're insane. First of all, we've already been through how you wouldn't be able to hit anything, let alone his legs, in that situation. You aren't Rambo. As a layman, you have the accuracy of five Hellen Kellers. Second, the law recognizes all shots fired as deadly force. You don't fucking shoot for legs. Holy shit stopppp posting for your own sake. I can't believe the fucking things you are saying right now.

[QUOTE=Dori;36740593]yes and it'll be your own stupid fault that you go to prison[/QUOTE] Actually I wouldn't if I were in Texas or somewhere with similar laws. 3 unarmed people were shot and killed, all were considered justified.

Yeah actually I saw your post ZF911. Not really interested in the big ol' legal debacle you've got you'reselves'n in, but I think that is one of the most fucked things I've read and I've been on FP for 7 years so I'd stop posting to save yourself the eventual trolling ban

[QUOTE=ZF911;36740615]Actually I wouldn't if I were in Texas or somewhere with similar laws. 3 unarmed people were shot and killed, all were considered justified.[/QUOTE] You just admitted those cases should have been prosecuted. Now you're saying you would get away with it, even though you know you're wrong. You fucking said "corpses can't talk." Stop. Please.

[QUOTE=Lankist;36740606]Holy shit you're insane. First of all, we've already been through how you wouldn't be able to hit anything, let alone his legs, in that situation. You aren't Rambo. As a layman, you have the accuracy of five Hellen Kellers. Second, the law recognizes all shots fired as deadly force. You don't fucking shoot for legs. Holy shit stopppp posting for your own sake. I can't believe the fucking things you are saying right now.[/QUOTE] Actually I use guns, and know how to aim with them. I'm sure from a few feet away in my basement I wouldn't miss.

[QUOTE=CheeseMan;36740627]Yeah actually I saw your post ZF911. Not really interested in the big ol' legal debacle you've got you'reselves'n in, but I think that is one of the most fucked things I've read and I've been on FP for 7 years so I'd stop posting to save yourself the eventual trolling ban[/QUOTE] Motherfucker said one dumb thing and instead of saying "sorry that was dumb" he's digging deeper and fucking deeper to defend it.

[QUOTE=ZF911;36740650]Actually I use guns[/QUOTE] um how did you even get a license to begin with