Teenage Girl Shot And Killed In Texas Because Of Stand Your Ground Law - Polidicks

[QUOTE=ZF911;36740650]Actually I use guns, and know how to aim with them. I'm sure from a few feet away in my basement I wouldn't miss.[/QUOTE] You're wrong. Trained police have roughly 20% accuracy when they [I]aren't[/I] being physically confronted. Even better trained soldiers have even lower accuracy. You wouldn't hit a god damn thing. And you're insane. Stop it. Stop this right now. You aren't going to win this one no matter how hard you defend it.

[QUOTE=Lankist;36740659]Motherfucker said one dumb thing and instead of saying "sorry that was dumb" he's digging deeper and fucking deeper to defend it.[/QUOTE] Saying a corpse can't talk is dumb. I wasn't saying it as in I'd intentionally kill them and get away with it. I am saying however, announcing you're going to rob me doesn't make me treat you like any less of a threat.

[QUOTE=ZF911;36740698]Saying a corpse can't talk is dumb. I wasn't saying it as in I'd intentionally kill them and get away with it.[/QUOTE] No you just said you'd intentionally kill them (shoot them in the legs LOL) because they are taking your PC, and that they couldn't testify against you if they're dead. Thanks, OJ, great fucking insight there.

[QUOTE=Lankist;36740677]You're wrong. Trained police have roughly 20% accuracy when they [I]aren't[/I] being physically confronted. Even better trained soldiers have even lower accuracy. You wouldn't hit a god damn thing. And you're insane. Stop it. Stop this right now. You aren't going to win this one no matter how hard you defend it.[/QUOTE] I had perfectly fine accuracy from a good 10 yards away my first time ever shooting a lethal firearm. Yes being in a tense situation could reduce accuracy, but from a short distance I don't think it'd be too difficult. [editline]12th July 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Lankist;36740716]No you just said you'd intentionally kill them (shoot them in the legs LOL) because they are taking your PC, and that they couldn't testify against you if they're dead. Thanks, OJ, great fucking insight there.[/QUOTE] I never said I'd intentionally kill. Only if they had a weapon on them.

[QUOTE=ZF911;36740725]I had perfectly fine accuracy from a good 10 yards away my first time ever shooting a lethal firearm. Yes being in a tense situation could reduce accuracy, but from a short distance I don't think it'd be too difficult.[/QUOTE] You're wrong. You're incredibly wrong. You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. You should not have a firearm. Ask Arelop. I know me and him don't get along but god damn at least he knows how impossible it is to actually hit a target. [editline]12th July 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=ZF911;36740725]I never said I'd intentionally kill. Only if they had a weapon on them.[/QUOTE] No, you said they'd kill if they didn't stop taking your stuff.

[QUOTE=Lankist;36740741]You're wrong. You're incredibly wrong. You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. You should not have a firearm. Ask Arelop. I know me and him don't get along but god damn at least he knows how impossible it is to actually hit a target.[/QUOTE] You can watch me in a gun range if you want, I'm just telling you what actually happened. My first time ever I walked in thinking I'd suck, and 5 out of the 6 shots I fired landed on the target. [editline]12th July 2012[/editline] You know what. What I said was stupid. If they don't have a weapon on them there's no reason I can't just tackle them. I'm sorry.

[QUOTE=Lankist;36740741]You're wrong. You're incredibly wrong. You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. [/QUOTE] "WAAAAH! I GOT PROVEN WRONG ON SOMETHING!"

[QUOTE=ZF911;36740763]You can watch me in a gun range if you want, I'm just telling you what actually happened. My first time ever I walked in thinking I'd suck, and 5 out of the 6 shots I fired landed on the target.[/QUOTE] Gun range is not the same as killing someone in a direct confrontation. You should not be permitted to wield a firearm. You know fuck all about using it for anything more than acting tough on the fucking internet. [QUOTE=ZF911;36740420]I didn't say fleeing suspect. If I catch him in my house he has one chance to drop my stuff and surrender. If he runs I'll tackle him, if he pulls a weapon or [B]just continues to grab more of my stuff I'll shoot.[/B][/QUOTE] [I]stop it.[/I] [editline]12th July 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Zillamaster55;36740783]"WAAAAH! I GOT PROVEN WRONG ON SOMETHING!"[/QUOTE] I already posted statistics on police accuracy proving this point.

[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;36740783]"WAAAAH! I GOT PROVEN WRONG ON SOMETHING!"[/QUOTE] hey dude this doesn't really contribute anything at all to the discussion [editline]1[/editline] literally all you've done is attack lankist. do you need attention? do you have daddy issues?

[QUOTE=ZF911;36740576]If he said "I'm unarmed and just stealing your expensive stuff." I'd give him five seconds to drop it before I'd shoot at his legs. I wouldn't aim for the head, but if he bleeds out from the leg it's his own stupid fault.[/QUOTE] you are a complete moron and are completely ignorant in how gun safety and gun laws work. for the safety of yourself and others, don't ever buy a firearm.

[QUOTE=Lankist;36740790] I already posted statistics on police accuracy proving this point.[/QUOTE] Not saying your statistics are wrong. I'm just saying a direct confrontation would likely be from a shorter range than that which officers practice at.

[QUOTE=ZF911;36740832]Not saying your statistics are wrong. I'm just saying a direct confrontation would likely be from a shorter range than that which officers practice at.[/QUOTE] Shorter range is harder to hit a moving target, amigo. Combine that with adrenaline, physiological fight-or-flight freakouts and the fact that [I]they're[/I] coming for [I]you[/I] too, you're completely and utterly fucked if you're that close. The human body [I]sucks[/I] at that shit when it really needs it. You'd be better off with a baseball bat.

[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;36740783]"WAAAAH! I GOT PROVEN WRONG ON SOMETHING!"[/QUOTE] are you gonna contribute to the thread or just call out lankist every few pages? get out if not.

[QUOTE=SgtCr4zyGunz;36740824]you are a complete moron and are completely ignorant in how gun safety and gun laws work. for the safety of yourself and others, don't ever buy a firearm.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=ZF911;36740763] You know what. What I said was stupid. If they don't have a weapon on them there's no reason I can't just tackle them. I'm sorry.[/QUOTE] I got wrapped up in the argument, said something stupid and decided to run with it. In all seriousness if I was sure they were unarmed I'd put the gun away and get my stuff back without it.

-1216 new posts holy crap guys, it's just a girl who got shot doing an illegal thing.

[QUOTE=Lankist;36740677]And you're insane.[/QUOTE] People are not insane for wanting to protect their family and home Lankist. What right does any thief have to be on your property? What right do they have to take your things (or worse if they have alternate motives)? They [I]know[/I] what they're getting themselves into robbing homes. They're not rape victims who were in the wrong place at the wrong time, they are [B]intentionally putting themselves in harms way to knowingly commit a crime and deprive people of property or life[/B]. You're comparing thieves to actual victims of crime, and that's fucking despicable. If anyone is insane Lankist, it's you. [QUOTE=SgtCr4zyGunz;36740840]are you gonna contribute to the thread or just call out lankist every few pages? get out if not.[/QUOTE] Lankist is habitually a terrible poster and needs to be recognized as such.

[QUOTE=FlakAttack;36740916]People are not insane for wanting to protect their family and home Lankist. What right does any thief have to be on your property? What right do they have to take your things (or worse if they have alternate motives)? They [I]know[/I] what they're getting themselves into robbing homes. They're not rape victims who were in the wrong place at the wrong time, they are [B]intentionally putting themselves in harms way to knowingly commit a crime and deprive people of property or life[/B]. You're comparing thieves to actual victims of crime, and that's fucking despicable. If anyone is insane Lankist, it's you.[/QUOTE] Just adding to this. If it's 3 am and someone busts through my front door or window. I'm dazed, confused, scared, and I'd assume the worst.

[QUOTE=FlakAttack;36740916]People are not insane for wanting to protect their family and home Lankist. What right does any thief have to be on your property? What right do they have to take your things (or worse if they have alternate motives)? They [I]know[/I] what they're getting themselves into robbing homes. They're not rape victims who were in the wrong place at the wrong time, they are [B]intentionally putting themselves in harms way to knowingly commit a crime and deprive people of property or life[/B]. You're comparing thieves to actual victims of crime, and that's fucking despicable. If anyone is insane Lankist, it's you.[/QUOTE] just-world fallacy try again

[QUOTE=Dori;36740934]just-world fallacy try again[/QUOTE] What does just-world fallacy have to do with this? There is no luck/cosmic force/whatever involved when it comes down to someone deciding to break into a house.

[QUOTE=FlakAttack;36740990]What does just-world fallacy have to do with this? There is no luck/cosmic force/whatever involved when it comes down to someone deciding to break into a house.[/QUOTE] you are rationalizing the murder of criminals by essentially saying they are forfeiting their lives whenever they dare try to take your TV or computer

[QUOTE=FlakAttack;36740916]People are not insane for wanting to protect their family and home Lankist. What right does any thief have to be on your property? What right do they have to take your things (or worse if they have alternate motives)? They [I]know[/I] what they're getting themselves into robbing homes. They're not rape victims who were in the wrong place at the wrong time, they are [B]intentionally putting themselves in harms way to knowingly commit a crime and deprive people of property or life[/B]. You're comparing thieves to actual victims of crime, and that's fucking despicable. If anyone is insane Lankist, it's you. Lankist is habitually a terrible poster and needs to be recognized as such.[/QUOTE] if you think he's a bad poster then by all means think so. making useless flamey posts like i quoted that basically boil down to "ugh i don't like you and i'm just gonna insult you" are not appropriate for this discussion.

[QUOTE=Dori;36740934]just-world fallacy try again[/QUOTE] What's the name of the fallacy where people just state a logical fallacy rather than actually argue against the point that was made?

[QUOTE=ZF911;36740933]Just adding to this. If it's 3 am and someone busts through my front door or window. I'm dazed, confused, scared, and I'd assume the worst.[/QUOTE] you can't assume anything until the threat is clear to you. so are you saying you'll just shoot the first thing that moves? [editline]12th July 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Ardosos;36741028]What's the name of the fallacy where people just state a logical fallacy rather than actually argue against the point that was made?[/QUOTE] do you know what a fallacy is? there's no use arguing against a logical fallacy because it's not a LOGICAL ARGUMENT.

[QUOTE=FlakAttack;36740916]People are not insane for wanting to protect their family and home Lankist. What right does any thief have to be on your property? What right do they have to take your things (or worse if they have alternate motives)? They [I]know[/I] what they're getting themselves into robbing homes. They're not rape victims who were in the wrong place at the wrong time, they are [B]intentionally putting themselves in harms way to knowingly commit a crime and deprive people of property or life[/B]. You're comparing thieves to actual victims of crime, and that's fucking despicable. If anyone is insane Lankist, it's you. Lankist is habitually a terrible poster and needs to be recognized as such.[/QUOTE] I recommend you do not defend a guy who said "corpses can't testify." [editline]12th July 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Ardosos;36741028]What's the name of the fallacy where people just state a logical fallacy rather than actually argue against the point that was made?[/QUOTE] The point is invalid. The law disagrees. You're welcome to fight the law. The law will win.

[QUOTE=SgtCr4zyGunz;36741037] do you know what a fallacy is? there's no use arguing against a logical fallacy because it's not a LOGICAL ARGUMENT.[/QUOTE] Okay, then what's the name of the fallacy where someone mistakenly labels an argument as a fallacy because they can't think of a real counter-argument?

[QUOTE=Ardosos;36741065]Okay, then what's the name of the fallacy where someone mistakenly labels an argument as a fallacy because they can't think of a real counter-argument?[/QUOTE] You mean the thing you're trying to do right now?

[QUOTE=FlakAttack;36740916]People are not insane for wanting to protect their family and home Lankist. What right does any thief have to be on your property? What right do they have to take your things (or worse if they have alternate motives)? They [I]know[/I] what they're getting themselves into robbing homes. They're not rape victims who were in the wrong place at the wrong time, they are [B]intentionally putting themselves in harms way to knowingly commit a crime and deprive people of property or life[/B]. You're comparing thieves to actual victims of crime, and that's fucking despicable. If anyone is insane Lankist, it's you. Lankist is habitually a terrible poster and needs to be recognized as such.[/QUOTE] Coming from you tbh Lankist should be proud. Lankist might be stubborn as hell and his views are pretty fucking polarizing and I dunno if I like the way he posts all too much but I'd probably jump off a bridge if anybody ever said "CheeseMan is as good a poster as FlakAttack".

[QUOTE=Dori;36741018]you are rationalizing the murder of criminals by essentially saying they are forfeiting their lives whenever they dare try to take your TV or computer[/QUOTE] Here you just boiled down a complex argument to "hurr they're taking my computer better shoot them". Your basis for calling just-world is flawed to begin with. Try again. [QUOTE=CheeseMan;36741083]Coming from you tbh Lankist should be proud. Lankist might be stubborn as hell and his views are pretty fucking polarizing and I dunno if I like the way he posts all too much but I'd probably jump off a bridge if anybody ever said "CheeseMan is as good a poster as FlakAttack".[/QUOTE] Wow you literally follow me around just to repeat this constantly. It's... I'm not really sure what it is. Just kind of amazed at the moment.

[QUOTE=FlakAttack;36741092]Here you just boiled down a complex argument to "hurr they're taking my computer better shoot them". Your basis for calling just-world is flawed to begin with. Try again.[/QUOTE] Then stop defending a motherfucker who said exactly that. [QUOTE=ZF911;36740420]I didn't say fleeing suspect. If I catch him in my house he has one chance to drop my stuff and surrender. If he runs I'll tackle him, if he pulls a weapon or just [B]continues to grab more of my stuff I'll shoot.[/B][/QUOTE] [QUOTE=ZF911;36740357]Yeah I'm sorry but I care more about my expensive PC than some scumbag thief.[/QUOTE]

Yes I deleted the part about corpses because I realized how stupid it was. I also apologized for being stupid and not thinking things out before I posted them. I think I'm gonna leave the thread now before it escalates again.