Teenage Girl Shot And Killed In Texas Because Of Stand Your Ground Law - Polidicks

[QUOTE=MR-X;36717278]Then it isn't a robbery if in unoccupied locations. It is theft, burglary, etc If it is in a unoccupied location then someone does not have to worry about getting shot do they? Obviously it takes two people to escalate a situation, one person can't do it on their own.[/QUOTE] Semantics. Red herring. Irrelevant. Most breaking-and-entering cases with occupied locations end with the trespasser fleeing when they realize they have been seen.

[QUOTE=Lankist;36717271]wow two whole robberies I may be pulling shit out of my ass, but you can take your anecdotes and shove them up yours.[/QUOTE] well you can keep being a pussy, i think the rest of us will continue to defend ourselves and our stuff

[QUOTE=Lankist;36717271]wow two whole robberies I may be pulling shit out of my ass, but you can take your anecdotes and shove them up yours.[/QUOTE] Oh no, evidence that people do exactly what everyone has been arguing they do. QUICK TELL THEM TO SHOVE IT UP THEIR ASS!

[QUOTE=JerryK;36717290]well you can keep being a pussy, i think the rest of us will continue to defend ourselves and our stuff[/QUOTE] Good luck with that, cowboy. You're a real stand-up citizen.

[QUOTE=JerryK;36717290]well you can keep being a pussy, i think the rest of us will continue to defend ourselves and our stuff[/QUOTE] excellent argument truly not the sort of thing you'd hear in a middle school

[QUOTE=_jesterk;36717269]Have you ever been robbed or mugged?[/QUOTE] I had my house broken into. My dad hoarded guns and was big on the "defend your home" steeze, but he also had children and practiced gun safety; so the guns were all locked in a display case. The criminals just broke in and stole the guns because guns are a lightweight but valuable commodity which make a house a prime target for a home invasion. Hmmm, this sure is getting complicated.

[QUOTE=dogmachines;36717292]Oh no, evidence that people do exactly what everyone has been arguing they do. QUICK TELL THEM TO SHOVE IT UP THEIR ASS![/QUOTE] "Evidence" anecdotes. Not evidence.

[QUOTE=Lankist;36717284] Most breaking-and-entering cases with occupied locations end with the trespasser fleeing when they realize they have been seen.[/QUOTE] Which is why nobody here is saying "shoot on sight". They are simply saying they won't roll over.

I don't understand the argument that life is some intrinsically sacred thing. Some people are just terrible; being human isn't a reason to defend them in any way. I do not mean this in direct relation to the thread and robbers, but to the statement that nobody ever deserves to die.

[QUOTE=dogmachines;36717308]Which is why nobody here is saying "shoot on sight". They are simply saying they won't roll over.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=JeanLuc761;36716884]Well, a home invasion IS a "shoot-first-ask-questions-later" situation, isn't it? You don't give the invader(s) a chance to get an advantage. You're more than welcome to give them a warning or attempt to assess the situation (which isn't always possible), [B]but the invaders quite literally lost their right to live the second they broke into your home.[/B] Like I said earlier, it's a shame that she was killed but it's her own damn fault.[/QUOTE] [editline]11th July 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Bletotum;36717309]I don't understand the argument that life is some intrinsically sacred thing. Some people are just terrible[/QUOTE] And you're one of them.

[QUOTE=Bletotum;36717309]I don't understand the argument that life is some intrinsically sacred thing. Some people are just terrible; being human isn't a reason to defend them in any way. I do not mean this in direct relation to the thread and robbers, but to the statement that nobody ever deserves to die.[/QUOTE] Hey, guess what, when a society deems that the lives of some people are worth more than the lives of others, that society starts to do ghastly shit like political oppression, genocide, and eugenics. That's why human rights are important.

[QUOTE=Lankist;36717301]"Evidence" anecdotes. Not evidence.[/QUOTE] Well that's interesting, because just a little bit up the page you used your own anecdotal evidence to back up your viewpoint.

What makes you think the guy saying human life isn't sacred falls into the category of people who deserve to live?

[QUOTE=Lankist;36717271]wow two whole robberies I may be pulling shit out of my ass, but you can take your anecdotes and shove them up yours.[/QUOTE] I knew it wouldn't take you long to start acting like a completely child. go get mad somewhere else, i don't know why you have not been banned already. Anyone else acted like you do they would be gone. You're not even entertaining anymore. Go take your aspergers meds.

[QUOTE=Lankist;36717103]Here's the severity: You can't kill someone just because they're in your house without your permission. End of god damn story. Your life isn't that important. You do what you gotta' do, but you don't just fucking shoot someone because they're present.[/QUOTE] To me, my existence is the most valuable thing I have, and it would take a lot for me to give it up. If someone invaded my house, that is an aggressive act towards me and puts my life in danger, and I will do anything to ensure my survival. Run, alert, kill, whatever it takes. [QUOTE=SigmaLambda;36717111]If someone broke into my house and was all like "give me your stuff" I would give them my stuff; and then if they murdered me I would be upset. That would be a bad thing to happen; but I honestly don't believe that, if I owned a gun, it would make me that much safer. If I had enough time before the robber was a threat to me to retrieve the gun from the place that I have locked it up (because I practice proper gun safety) then I would also have enough time to just fucking leave.[/QUOTE] Leaving is not always an option man. It's not like they are going to let you run off out the front door. The option to kill should always be there. Let me give you a scenario. Two men bust down your front door and are possibly armed. You are upstairs, you do not know their intent, to escape you would have to go down the stairs and through them, you have a gun locked in a safe in your bedroom, one is guarding the front door and the other is searching your house, your stairs lead down straight in front of the front door and the invader, and you can't escape from upstairs. What do you do?

[QUOTE=Lankist;36717322][editline]11th July 2012[/editline] And you're one of them.[/QUOTE] Oooh, personal attacks, that'll show em! He said he phrased that badly, even then the vast majority of people don't agree.

[QUOTE=Lankist;36717322][editline]11th July 2012[/editline] And you're one of them.[/QUOTE] You misunderstood what I was saying there, and I have nobody to blame but myself for how I worded it. I was talking about the Castle Doctrine and the conditions it can require, not what I personally would do.

[QUOTE=MR-X;36717339]I knew it wouldn't take you long to start acting like a completely child.[/QUOTE] when I was a child i liked to play a game where I shooted all of the bad guys and I was always the good guy and the bad guys were always the bad guys. that is a childish game that childme played.

[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;36717202]Hey guy, you're gonna rob me? Ok, I'm going to leave and go get a slim jim at the cornerstore because that is preferable to having a fucking wild-west showdown in my bathroom wherein I provoke you into doing something you previously wouldn't have done. You can have my fucking Seinfeld box set[/QUOTE] What if you see someone come into your home armed, and you shoot them before they shoot you, is that ok? Like when it is appropriate to shoot someone in your home?

[QUOTE=MR-X;36717339]I knew it wouldn't take you long to start acting like a completely child. go get mad somewhere else [/QUOTE] [QUOTE=MR-X;36717339]Go take your aspergers meds.[/QUOTE] um

[QUOTE=MR-X;36717339]I knew it wouldn't take you long to start acting like a completely child. go get mad somewhere else, i don't know why you have not been banned already. Anyone else acted like you do they would be gone. You're not even entertaining anymore. Go take your aspergers meds.[/QUOTE] I may vehemently disagree with him, but MEPA is gold.

[QUOTE=MR-X;36717339]I knew it wouldn't take you long to start acting like a completely child. go get mad somewhere else, i don't know why you have not been banned already. Anyone else acted like you do they would be gone. You're not even entertaining anymore. Go take your aspergers meds.[/QUOTE] Oh I'm sorry, because you were being so civil. [QUOTE=MR-X;36717235]ROFL dude, now you're just pulling shit out of your ass.[/QUOTE] Hey everybody look who can dish it out but can't take it.

I like you Lankist, but this thread took it a bit too far.

[QUOTE=_jesterk;36717361]I like you Lankist, but this thread took it a bit too far.[/QUOTE] The only thing that went too far was crazy motherfuckers deciding who does and does not have the right to live. Sorry but I'm not going to pretend I respect that. It's a shitty opinion and anyone who holds it is a shitty person.

[QUOTE=Lankist;36717271]wow two whole robberies I may be pulling shit out of my ass, but you can take your anecdotes and shove them up yours.[/QUOTE] Say that to the families of the dead clerks, I bet they sure wish the clerks had guns and shot the robbers

[QUOTE=Lankist;36717322][editline]11th July 2012[/editline] And you're one of them.[/QUOTE] What? That isn't an argument at all.

[QUOTE=Lankist;36717360]Oh I'm sorry, because you were being so civil. Hey everybody look who can dish it out but can't take it.[/QUOTE] Why don't you go run away and stop escalating situations like you tell everyone else to do? You're so quick to give us advice on life and how we should live but you can't even follow your own advice. Funny eh.

[QUOTE=LoLWaT?;36717381]Obviously the best choice is to lay your weapon down and casually walk down to greet them. After all, you can't be too sure if they're going to harm you. :v:[/QUOTE] yes because your only options are either tombstone or suicide. definitely can't follow your own avatar's advice in such a situation, heaven forbid.

[QUOTE=Mr. N;36717341] Leaving is not always an option man. It's not like they are going to let you run off out the front door. The option to kill should always be there. Let me give you a scenario. Two men bust down your front door and are possibly armed. You are upstairs, you do not know their intent, to escape you would have to go down the stairs and through them, you have a gun locked in a safe in your bedroom, one is guarding the front door and the other is searching your house, your stairs lead down straight in front of the front door and the invader, and you can't escape from upstairs. What do you do?[/QUOTE] oh well I pull out the kickass deagle I keep on my nightstand and then do a slow motion dive over my coffee table as I take them out with a pair of wicked syckkkk headshots or I pull the gun on them and they kill me anyway because a gunfight in a dark house is basically a matter of chance and fractions of seconds and I end up much worse off than if I had just hidden in my fucking closet.

[QUOTE=MR-X;36717395]Why don't you go run away and stop escalating situations like you tell everyone else to do? You're so quick to give us advice on life and how we should live but you can't even follow your own advice. Funny eh.[/QUOTE] Are you high?