Teenage Girl Shot And Killed In Texas Because Of Stand Your Ground Law - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Lankist;36717373]The only thing that went too far was crazy motherfuckers deciding who does and does not have the right to live.[/QUOTE] Nah, I agree with your points. Just saying.

I'd say she was shot more because she broke into someone's house than because she lived in a state with a Stand Your Ground law.

[QUOTE=The Baconator;36717385]Say that to the families of the dead clerks, I bet they sure wish the clerks had guns and shot the robbers[/QUOTE] I would if there were any indication that they existed.

[QUOTE=Lankist;36717396]yes because your only options are either tombstone or suicide. definitely can't follow your own avatar's advice in such a situation, heaven forbid.[/QUOTE] The options aren't exactly "open fire immediately" and "flee/sit in the corner". Simply being armed is enough to scare off most people. If they're armed then it isn't really outrageous to suggest that you should assume they mean to use the weapon.

[QUOTE=asteroidrules;36717409]I'd say she was shot more because she broke into someone's house than because she lived in a state with a Stand Your Ground law.[/QUOTE] It's illegal in most states to shoot intruders simply for intruding.

[QUOTE=Lankist;36717416]I would if there were any indication that they existed.[/QUOTE] I guess you've never been mugged. Prove that you have.

[QUOTE=dogmachines;36717420]The options aren't exactly "open fire immediately" and "flee/sit in the corner". Simply being armed is enough to scare off most people. If they're armed then it isn't really outrageous to suggest that you should assume they mean to use the weapon.[/QUOTE] What the fuck, are you crazy? You don't "scare them off." That's escalation. You flee. You get the fuck out however you can. If they see you, you continue to flee and you tell them they can have whatever the fuck you want. Maybe if they start chasing you and you see a weapon, then you can think about defending yourself. Not just because they're there. You'll only make the situation worse. You'll take it from a POTENTIALLY dangerous situation to an ACTUALLY dangerous situation.

[QUOTE=Lankist;36717322][editline]11th July 2012[/editline] And you're one of them.[/QUOTE] I see you posting in debate a lot and highly agree with your posts, especially your demand for proper evidence and discussion. So what happened here?

[QUOTE=Lankist;36717439]What the fuck, are you crazy? You don't "scare them off." That's escalation. You flee. You get the fuck out however you can. If they see you, you continue to flee and you tell them they can have whatever the fuck you want. Maybe if they start chasing you and you see a weapon, then you can think about defending yourself.[/QUOTE] You're hilarious, you got some good jokes man.

[QUOTE=Lankist;36717439]What the fuck, are you crazy? You don't "scare them off." That's escalation. You flee. You get the fuck out however you can. If they see you, you continue to flee and you tell them they can have whatever the fuck you want. Maybe if they start chasing you and you see a weapon, then you can think about defending yourself.[/QUOTE] Yeah, the logical reaction to a guy at the end of the hall with a gun saying "get the fuck out" to an unarmed intruder is for a fistfight to ensue.

[QUOTE=Lankist;36717416]I would if there were any indication that they existed.[/QUOTE] You're saying there is no such thing as robbers who kill their victims even if said victims don't fight back?

[QUOTE=Bletotum;36717442]I see you posting in debate a lot and highly agree with your posts, especially your demand for proper evidence and discussion. So what happened here?[/QUOTE] You said "life isn't sacred and some people are just terrible people." I said you are one of the terrible people. I then asked why you would think otherwise. [editline]11th July 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=The Baconator;36717454]You're saying there is no such thing as robbers who kill their victims even if said victims don't fight back?[/QUOTE] I'm saying his post was a stupid, unsubstantiated anecdote and I don't have to acknowledge it as anything else.

[QUOTE=dogmachines;36717429]I guess you've never been mugged. Prove that you have.[/QUOTE] I was mugged by a unicorn and this somehow gave me the special knowledge and gravitas to allow me to definitively state that killing people with headshots and karates merely for entering your house is actually pretty cool and a thing that people should do, often.

It's almost always better to give someone something than to pull out a gun. That's elementary. Your Futurama boxed set is not worth the memory of watching someone slowly bleed to death on the floor.

[QUOTE=dogmachines;36717450]Yeah, the logical reaction to a guy at the end of the hall with a gun saying "get the fuck out" to an unarmed intruder is for a fistfight to ensue.[/QUOTE] uhh, if there's an armed robber and you point a gun at them, what do you think they are going to do? They want to preserve their own life as much as you want to preserve yours. The fuck do you think that's going to go down?

[QUOTE=Lankist;36717456] I'm saying his post was a stupid, unsubstantiated anecdote and I don't have to acknowledge it as anything else.[/QUOTE] As long as we can do the same with your anecdote on the previous page.

[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;36717465]I was mugged by a unicorn and this somehow gave me the special knowledge and gravitas to allow me to definitively state that killing people with headshots and karates merely for entering your house is actually pretty cool and a thing that people should do, often.[/QUOTE] Except nobody is arguing you should shoot people just because they break in and your condescending sarcasm just makes you look like a twat.

EDIT: Bad reading again. Rate me boxes.

[QUOTE=_jesterk;36717469]Your Futurama boxed set is not worth the memory of watching someone slowly bleed to death on the floor.[/QUOTE] Well I dunno that's kind of a tough one

[QUOTE=Lankist;36717416]I would if there were any indication that they existed.[/QUOTE] [url]http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=c69_1339157747[/url] Doing nothing really helped this guy. Oh wait, it didn't And he even got murdered after he let them take his things! In contrast to: [url]http://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/article/HPD-identifies-2-of-3-robbers-killed-in-jewelry-1716230.php[/url] I would rather die trying to defend myself than be murdered by an armed robber.

[QUOTE=The Baconator;36717454]You're saying there is no such thing as robbers who kill their victims even if said victims don't fight back?[/QUOTE] There's a such a thing as school shootings but that doesn't mean society should indulge people who want teenagers to conceal-carry in middle schools.

[QUOTE=Lankist;36717471]uhh, if there's an armed robber and you point a gun at them, what do you think they are going to do? They want to preserve their own life as much as you want to preserve yours. The fuck do you think that's going to go down?[/QUOTE] That's why you shoot first, did you read my post? If the guy is clearly armed you don't give him a chance to fire, he is clearly a threat. Using the weapon to threaten them into fleeing/laying down til police get there is only really viable when the person is unarmed or has something besides a firearm.

[QUOTE=dogmachines;36717477]Except nobody is arguing you should shoot people just because they break in and your condescending sarcasm just makes you look like a twat.[/QUOTE] Someone is. [QUOTE=JeanLuc761;36716884]Well, a home invasion IS a "shoot-first-ask-questions-later" situation, isn't it? You don't give the invader(s) a chance to get an advantage. You're more than welcome to give them a warning or attempt to assess the situation (which isn't always possible), [B][U]but the invaders quite literally lost their right to live the second they broke into your home[/U][/B]. Like I said earlier, it's a shame that she was killed but it's her own damn fault.[/QUOTE]

I'm saying that not everyone is a good person. To say that life is in all cases sacred is to say that someone acting in lethal self defense (not necessarily related to robberies) is a bad person. Some people enjoy the suffering of others. I am saying that those people are terrible.

[QUOTE=OvB;36717485] I would rather die trying to defend myself than be murdered by an armed robber.[/QUOTE] Why exactly? You die in both situations. I'd rather die and not have lived my life perpetually terrified of being murdered.

[QUOTE=Lankist;36717496]Someone is.[/QUOTE] How many fucking times do I have to clarify what I said? I've apologized AND clarified at least three times already.

[QUOTE=dogmachines;36717493]That's why you shoot first, did you read my post?.[/QUOTE] Are you serious right now? You are literally advocating shooting first and asking questions later. You're saying that it's cool to actively confront a robber and shoot them before they have a chance to respond.

[QUOTE=Lankist;36717496]Someone is.[/QUOTE] Jesus Christ, how many times are you going to ignore his admission that he phrased that badly and was stating what the law meant anyway?

Uhh did everyone miss the part where she was shot by her fellow robbers and not the home owner? People trying to say the home owners in the wrong is dumb, if 2 kids are firing into my home I'm sure as hell gonna shoot back instead of letting them blast me in the head close up

[QUOTE=JeanLuc761;36717505]How many fucking times do I have to clarify what I said? I've apologized AND clarified at least three times already.[/QUOTE] I don't care if you release a DLC clarifying what you said, you still said it and it was fucking despicable. You can rephrase it all you want [I]after you were called out.[/I] You should have thought before you spoke.