Teenage Girl Shot And Killed In Texas Because Of Stand Your Ground Law - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Lankist;36717506]Are you serious right now? You are literally advocating shooting first and asking questions later. You're saying that it's cool to actively confront a robber and shoot them before they have a chance to respond.[/QUOTE] Seeing an armed intruder and responding with deadly force is not "shooting first and asking questions later". Confirming the intruder is armed and therefore a threat is actually the exact opposite of that.

[QUOTE=Lankist;36717456] I'm saying his post was a stupid, unsubstantiated anecdote and I don't have to acknowledge it as anything else.[/QUOTE] fair enough, I don't care for his argument, but my father (who is a school counselor) knew this principle in his district who got murdered by a kid even though she gave him the stuff and did what he said

[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;36717501]Why exactly? You die in both situations. I'd rather die and not have lived my life perpetually terrified of being murdered.[/QUOTE] Because there's always a better chance that I won't die if I make an attempt at defending myself, rather then getting basically executed because the guy decided it was my time to go for no reason like the video I posted.

[QUOTE=Lankist;36717496]Someone is.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=JeanLuc761;36717347]You misunderstood what I was saying there, and I have nobody to blame but myself for how I worded it. I was talking about the Castle Doctrine and the conditions it can require, not what I personally would do.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=JeanLuc761;36717184]He's talking about me and my abysmally bad wording earlier.[/QUOTE] He has already said twice that it was bad wording. You don't need to keep quoting it every other page.

[QUOTE=dogmachines;36717515]Seeing an armed intruder and responding with deadly force is not "shooting first and asking questions later". Confirming the intruder is armed and therefore a threat is actually the exact opposite of that.[/QUOTE] And why the fuck would you do that instead of fleeing? You sure as shit seem to want to spend a hell of a lot of time observing rather than getting the fuck out.

[QUOTE=OvB;36717524]Because there's always a better chance that I won't die if I make an attempt at defending myself[/QUOTE] ehhh I don't see how that is the case

[QUOTE=dogmachines;36717515]Seeing an armed intruder and responding with deadly force is not "shooting first and asking questions later".[/QUOTE] Seeing an enemy and immediately responding with murder is not shooting first and asking questions later. You heard it here first, folks.

[QUOTE=JerryK;36717228]some scumbag trying to leech off other people and scaring families? ya i'd say my shit is worth more than him/her [/QUOTE] yeah that's tosh though isn't it scumbags have rights too -see dick cheney-, and if you kill someone who was unarmed and didn't pose a viable threat you should rightfully be intensely scrutinized.

[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;36717488]There's a such a thing as school shootings but that doesn't mean society should indulge people who want teenagers to conceal-carry in middle schools.[/QUOTE] Schools have these magical things called teachers in them. I know. It's nuts.

[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;36717533]ehhh I don't see how that is the case[/QUOTE] [quote]In the back room of a humble jewelry store and pawn shop in Houston's East End Thursday afternoon, a gunman tied Eva Castillo's wrists tightly — too tightly. She complained of the pain, so he loosened the bindings. Then Castillo's husband was ordered at gunpoint to put his hands behind his back. But Ramon Castillo had a surprise for the gunman and two cohorts, who had announced they were robbing the business. Castillo pulled a pistol from his waistband and shot the gunman dead. Then he grabbed a shotgun from his office and engaged in a shootout with the other two armed robbers. When it was over, all three robbers were dead — and Castillo, though shot at least three times, was still standing, having successfully defended what was rightfully his.[/quote] After the robbers tied him and his wife up they could have easily executed them. But he's alive today because he defended himself, despite getting shot multiple times himself.

[QUOTE=Lankist;36717531]And why the fuck would you do that instead of fleeing? You sure as shit seem to want to spend a hell of a lot of time observing rather than getting the fuck out.[/QUOTE] Because maybe I have a family in the house, and I shouldn't risk their lives as well as mine? Because I'm armed and shouldn't have to lay down or flee because some scumbag busted down my door with a weapon?

[QUOTE=Lankist;36717514]I don't care if you release a DLC clarifying what you said, you still said it and it was fucking despicable. You can rephrase it all you want [I]after you were called out.[/I] [B][U]You should have thought before you spoke.[/U][/B][/QUOTE] Well clearly I didn't, which is [I]why I apologized and went on to clarify what I meant[/I]. You are WAY too quick to label people as despicable human beings.

[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;36717397]oh well I pull out the kickass deagle I keep on my nightstand and then do a slow motion dive over my coffee table as I take them out with a pair of wicked syckkkk headshots or I pull the gun on them and they kill me anyway because a gunfight in a dark house is basically a matter of chance and fractions of seconds and I end up much worse off than if I had just hidden in my fucking closet.[/QUOTE] Then they find you and kill you as you lay there utterly defenseless for the thrill. The end. Having a gun doesn't mean engaging in a straight up gunfight you know? If it was me, I'd get the gun, fucking hide, and shoot whoever finds me or shoot if I get a good shot at them. If running seemed to be the best solution, I'd run, but the option should be there to kill.

[QUOTE=JeanLuc761;36717556]Well clearly I didn't, which is [I]why I apologized and went on to clarify what I meant[/I]. You are WAY too quick to label people as despicable human beings.[/QUOTE] You're still here championing the same point. The only thing that seems to have changed is your phrasing. I don't see why you would think I'd accept an apology immediately followed by more argument and snark.

[QUOTE=OvB;36717552]After the robbers tied him and his wife up they could have easily executed them. But he's alive today because he defended himself, despite getting shot multiple times himself.[/QUOTE] He could have easily died. The robbers evidenced a lack of desire to harm them, and acted in retaliation to the gunfire.

[QUOTE=OvB;36717552]After the robbers tied him and his wife up they could have easily executed them. But he's alive today because he defended himself, despite getting shot multiple times himself.[/QUOTE] look at that thing you didn't source.

[QUOTE=OvB;36717552]After the robbers tied him and his wife up they could have easily executed them. But he's alive today because he defended himself, despite getting shot multiple times himself.[/QUOTE] But you didn't say, "There is sometimes a better chance that I won't die if I make an attempt at defending myself," you said, "There's [b]always[/b] a better chance that I won't die if I make an attempt at defending myself" but I can easily think of situations in which defending yourself when you could either submit or flee would get you killed when you could have lived

[QUOTE=Mr. N;36717562]Then they find you and kill you as you lay there utterly defenseless for the thrill. The end. Having a gun doesn't mean engaging in a straight up gunfight you know? If it was me, I'd get the gun, fucking hide, and shoot whoever finds me or shoot if I get a good shot at them. If running seemed to be the best solution, I'd run, but the option should be there to kill.[/QUOTE] this turned into a max payne RP thread real quick

[QUOTE=DamagePoint;36716314]Her life didn't deserve to end that day. Without stand your ground laws she would probably still be alive.[/QUOTE] She did wrong, and she payed the price. There is nothing wrong with her death, and those inside would have probably died if not for the actions of the shooter.

[QUOTE=Lankist;36717574]look at that thing you didn't source.[/QUOTE] [url]http://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/article/HPD-identifies-2-of-3-robbers-killed-in-jewelry-1716230.php[/url]

[QUOTE=Lankist;36717565]You're still here championing the same point. The only thing that seems to have changed is your phrasing. I don't see why you would think I'd accept an apology immediately followed by more argument.[/QUOTE] No. I am explaining what the Castle Doctrine entails (which is the right to defend yourself with lethal force if necessary if you reasonably suspect severe harm to your person and, in some states, the theft of your property), and I have said TWICE, if not more, that I would not shoot someone on sight if they broke into my home.

[QUOTE=Lankist;36717574]look at that thing you didn't source.[/QUOTE] I did source it previously but since you didn't read here you go: [url]http://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/article/HPD-identifies-2-of-3-robbers-killed-in-jewelry-1716230.php[/url]

[QUOTE=U.S.S.R;36717578]She did wrong, and she payed the price. There is nothing wrong with her death, and those inside would have probably died if not for the actions of the shooter.[/QUOTE] Hello, new bad person to chastise.

she was hot but now that she's dead i don't find her hot anymore

[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;36717576]But you didn't say, "There is sometimes a better chance that I won't die if I make an attempt at defending myself," you said, "There's [b]always[/b] a better chance that I won't die if I make an attempt at defending myself" but I can easily think of situations in which defending yourself when you could either submit or flee would get you killed when you could have lived[/QUOTE] I suppose you're right. My wording was wrong.

[QUOTE=OvB;36717582]I did source it previously but since you didn't read here you go: [url]http://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/article/HPD-identifies-2-of-3-robbers-killed-in-jewelry-1716230.php[/url][/QUOTE] My bad. hard to keep up when half of facepunch is flipping its shit at me specifically.

[QUOTE=Bletotum;36717498]I'm saying that not everyone is a good person. To say that life is in all cases sacred is to say that someone acting in lethal self defense (not necessarily related to robberies) is a bad person. Some people enjoy the suffering of others. I am saying that those people are terrible.[/QUOTE] Lankist, do you have a response? It doesn't make sense for you to label me a terrible person without explaining anything. That's hot-headed and stupid.

[QUOTE=Mr. N;36717562]Then they find you and kill you as you lay there utterly defenseless for the thrill. The end. Having a gun doesn't mean engaging in a straight up gunfight you know? If it was me, I'd get the gun, fucking hide, and shoot whoever finds me or shoot if I get a good shot at them. If running seemed to be the best solution, I'd run, but the option should be there to kill.[/QUOTE] Not every robber aims to break in, and murder everyone inside. Seems to me like they'd bring a gun because you'd generally feel safer breaking into someone's house to steal shit if you're packing.

[QUOTE=Bletotum;36717595]Lankist, do you have a response? It doesn't make sense for you to label me a terrible person without explaining anything. That's hot-headed and stupid.[/QUOTE] And you are a person who feels vindicated in killing. I don't see the significant distinction between that and all the other terrible people.

[QUOTE=Bletotum;36717573]He could have easily died. The robbers evidenced a lack of desire to harm them, and acted in retaliation to the gunfire.[/QUOTE] Being tied up with a gun to my head is enough evidence for me to use lethal force as far as I'm concerned. It's not like he could've ran or hid. His life was already the very definition of being threatened with murder.