Bernie Sanders rally in Denver draws 5,000+ people. Biggest of any campaign so far. - Polidicks

[QUOTE=LTJGPliskin;48036993]She's borderline Republican. She focuses more on banks and big businesses, which is also where she gets her money. She doesn't give a fuck about the lower and middle classes. Bernie actually cares about the American people, and he's very outspoken about his goals. Hillary just keeps pretending to change her opinions to match the majority.[/QUOTE] Little news flash, all of our political candidates sit somewhere in the conservative-authoritarian range. Even Obama is incredibly conservative, and the farthest thing from "liberal" or "socialist." He's left of the GOP, but barely. Bernie Sanders is actually an honest-to-God populist. That's kind of amazing.

[QUOTE=proboardslol;48032861]All of the people I listed are either crazy or stupid. Talk about the rest of the party all you want, but all the candidates thus far are stupid, crazy, or evil. The democratic party? The only person whose political affiliations are in question is Clinton, but she's not stupid, and she's not crazy. The Obama administration has a 45% approval rating. Sure, that's less than half but it's nowhere near the previous republican administration's approval rating. I think if you take all the sane and intelligent voters in America, and take all the conservative ones from there, they'd look at the republican candidates and go "... fuck. We have no good candidates". Once again, I don't get why Facepunch hates Clinton, and I don't get why facepunch thinks everyone else hates Clinton[/QUOTE] Anyone with half a brain knows that the Clintons are corrupt, as was previously stated here. A 45% approval rating is garbage, even Clinton averaged out at at least 55% and Reagan averaged out at around 51%.

IIRC, Hilary voted to go to war in Iraq, that alone should be a huge reason to avoid her.

[QUOTE=woolio1;48037085]Little news flash, all of our political candidates sit somewhere in the conservative-authoritarian range. Even Obama is incredibly conservative, and the farthest thing from "liberal" or "socialist." He's left of the GOP, but barely. Bernie Sanders is actually an honest-to-God populist. That's kind of amazing.[/QUOTE] populism isn't a good thing though.

[QUOTE=barttool;48037289]populism isn't a good thing though.[/QUOTE] Never said it was. But it's a break from the trend, so it's interesting.

[QUOTE=woolio1;48037085]Little news flash, all of our political candidates sit somewhere in the conservative-authoritarian range. Even Obama is incredibly conservative, and the farthest thing from "liberal" or "socialist." He's left of the GOP, but barely. Bernie Sanders is actually an honest-to-God populist. That's kind of amazing.[/QUOTE] Populist? Dude, he's held on to his views for quite a long time!...populist are the guys who only adopt what gets them most votes. Plus, to the other guy who says Bernie is mostly supported by guys on their 20's...he's got a lot of support and money from the unions....and those people arent't in their 20s.... [editline]24th June 2015[/editline] Bernie gets voted into office and then Chile pulls off a coup d'etat in the US Hahahaha Ahhhh No? Nobody? Sorry...

I got the joke! (I'm from Chile)

[QUOTE=LTJGPliskin;48036993]She's borderline Republican. She focuses more on banks and big businesses, which is also where she gets her money. She doesn't give a fuck about the lower and middle classes. Bernie actually cares about the American people, and he's very outspoken about his goals. Hillary just keeps pretending to change her opinions to match the majority.[/QUOTE] Bernie's the type of guy who would do something thats right but absolutely unpopular.

[QUOTE=Cutthecrap;48037737]Populist? Dude, he's held on to his views for quite a long time!...populist are the guys who only adopt what gets them most votes. Plus, to the other guy who says Bernie is mostly supported by guys on their 20's...he's got a lot of support and money from the unions....and those people arent't in their 20s.... [editline]24th June 2015[/editline] Bernie gets voted into office and then Chile pulls off a coup d'etat in the US Hahahaha Ahhhh No? Nobody? Sorry...[/QUOTE] Actually a populist is someone who is "for the people", not necessarily "what's popular". In that sense he's absolutely populist.

[QUOTE=hrak;48036355]Really, really sucks ass that this is going to boil down to Clinton vs Bush. The American public just doesn't give a fuck. And is too old to possibly give a fuck.[/QUOTE] Not really. There are enough people who didn't agree with Clinton's or Bush's actions while in office, and would be more than glad to see someone other then in the oval office.

Perhaps we should remind people in here that Clinton approved the sale of American-controlled Uranium to Russia IN THE MIDDLE OF THE CRIMEA INVASION after Russia gave a generous donation towards her little foundation, bringing Russia's control of uranium in the US alone to 20% of the total. And then there's the matter of her control of US weapon shipments to allies, often coinciding with whether or not a nation donated to the Clinton Foundation.

Here's what I want to see: 1. Bernie wins the nomination, and goes on to win the election to become president. 2. The policies that he proposed get pushed through with little to no alteration (primarily his tax policies and his plan to fund tertiary education). 3. They remain in place for long enough to take effect (at the very least 4 years, so that one full cycle of college students can enter and graduate under the new funding system, ideally longer so that more batches can be observed). This way, we can once and for all settle the debate as to whether or not socialist economics works better than capitalist economics.

If he loses the Democratic nomination there's basically no chance of him winning at all anyway, so why bother.

I love how you guys keep deluding yourselves into thinking he has a chance against Hillary.

[QUOTE=Doom64hunter;48039268]I love how you guys keep deluding yourselves into thinking he has a chance against Hillary.[/QUOTE] ONly someone sheltered would think he doesnt have a chance. All it takes is some momentum and things start falling apart for Hillary. He's tripled his polling since march. Hes polling low not because of his message, but because people dont know about him. Its your attitude, albeit international (lol), that is prohibiting any type of change in our government. People always bitch about all the things government is doing, but now they also criticize someone who is wanting to change it. Damned if you, damned if you dont.

Bernie likely gonna end up raising the shit out of taxes like a fool in hopes of more entitlement plans. People call Obama socialist but Bernie is legit borderline socialist. Not saying he isn't better than some of the dipshits on the conservative side, but anyone who wants Bernie needs to seriously reevaluate the rest of the candidates. O'Malley easily is the best democrat with more effectiveness than Bernie. Has lowered taxes on the middle-class a lot while cutting back spending in general. Bernie just throws money at the problem and hopes he can clear the debt hurdles. Rand getting a lot of hate too lately but he's probably the safest bet as a repub.

Shame that this'll probably boil down to Clinton vs. Bush. A hawk in the white house won't be good for the American public, and it definitely won't be good for me.

[QUOTE=LTJGPliskin;48030224]Which is funny, since they worship Ronal Reagan, who was in the early stages of Alzheimer's when he [B]began his campaign[/B].[/QUOTE] Fixed that for you.

[QUOTE=Chernobyl426;48039465] Rand getting a lot of hate too lately but he's probably the safest bet as a repub.[/QUOTE] That's a pretty telling quote

[QUOTE=Headhumpy;48038390]Here's what I want to see: 1. Bernie wins the nomination, and goes on to win the election to become president. 2. The policies that he proposed get pushed through with little to no alteration (primarily his tax policies and his plan to fund tertiary education). 3. They remain in place for long enough to take effect (at the very least 4 years, so that one full cycle of college students can enter and graduate under the new funding system, ideally longer so that more batches can be observed). This way, we can once and for all settle the debate as to whether or not socialist economics works better than capitalist economics.[/QUOTE] If he's elected, he'll be stonewalled by the GOP in Congress for as long as he's in office, don't kid yourself. The Democrats would need a supermajority in both houses for the entire presidency to even come close to that.

[QUOTE=Headhumpy;48038390]This way, we can once and for all settle the debate as to whether or not socialist economics works better than capitalist economics.[/QUOTE] I don't think you quite understand what either of those words mean. Bernie Sanders (from what I've seen) doesn't look like he wants to (even if he did, he wouldn't have the power to) introduce a socialist system. That is, the people owning the means of production. To think that he can even damage capitalism is the greatest insanity there is. Plus socialist economies have had their glory days to be tested out (throughout most of the 20th century, in widely varied countries) and the result was an abject failure for the most part.

[QUOTE=Headhumpy;48038390]Here's what I want to see: 1. Bernie wins the nomination, and goes on to win the election to become president. 2. The policies that he proposed get pushed through with little to no alteration (primarily his tax policies and his plan to fund tertiary education). 3. They remain in place for long enough to take effect (at the very least 4 years, so that one full cycle of college students can enter and graduate under the new funding system, ideally longer so that more batches can be observed). This way, we can once and for all settle the debate as to whether or not socialist economics works better than capitalist economics.[/QUOTE] Yea and I want to see pigs fly, have a hoverboard delivered to my house by Tony Hawk, and earn 15 million $ a year, but thats not gonna happen. Even if, in some strange opposite-world dimension, Bernie gets elected, he still has the GOP to deal with and they're going to knock down every piece of legislation he puts out.

[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;48040460]Yea and I want to see pigs fly, have a hoverboard delivered to my house by Tony Hawk, and earn 15 million $ a year, but thats not gonna happen. Even if, in some strange opposite-world dimension, Bernie gets elected, he still has the GOP to deal with and they're going to knock down every piece of legislation he puts out.[/QUOTE] It's the same story with anyone with progressive ideologies when there's enough of a GOP presence, doesn't mean we should vote for some other schlubb who'll continue the status quo. It also says more bad things about the GOP than it does the president tbh.

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;48040077]I don't think you quite understand what either of those words mean. Bernie Sanders (from what I've seen) doesn't look like he wants to (even if he did, he wouldn't have the power to) introduce a socialist system. That is, the people owning the means of production. To think that he can even damage capitalism is the greatest insanity there is. Plus socialist economies have had their glory days to be tested out (throughout most of the 20th century, in widely varied countries) and the result was an abject failure for the most part.[/QUOTE] it'd probably be more accurate to describe him as a disciple of the nordic model of government and economics i.e. a heavily mixed economy with government ownership of some but by no means all industries

[QUOTE=joes33431;48041978]it'd probably be more accurate to describe him as a disciple of the nordic model of government and economics i.e. a heavily mixed economy with government ownership of some but by no means all industries[/QUOTE] The Nordic model is effectively wholly capitalist for the most part, which makes it strange when people call it socialist or whatever.

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;48042506]The Nordic model is effectively wholly capitalist for the most part, which makes it strange when people call it socialist or whatever.[/QUOTE] it's not strange. it's the fruits of the combined effort of the center-left and the libertarian/conservative right. and besides, unlike you i guess most people don't use the marxist definition of socialism. it's just social-democracy to them.