[QUOTE=Zeke129;26469292]Do analog clocks that go to 24 and only revolve once per day even exist[/QUOTE]
[img]http://www.myworldhut.com/product_images/s/ccrane_24_hour_clock__59583.jpg[/img]
Yes.
[url]http://www.myworldhut.com/products/24-Hour-Analog-Wall-Clock.html[/url]
[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;26469169]dude what[/QUOTE]
Libertarian left is the opposition to authoritarian left- it's the theory that rights and liberties are maximized through government protection of them, as opposed to libertarian right, which is rights and liberties are maximized by no government intervention, and are limited by government.
[QUOTE=Detective P;26469743]Libertarian left is the opposition to authoritarian left- it's the theory that rights and liberties are maximized through government protection of them, as opposed to libertarian right, which is rights and liberties are maximized by no government intervention, and are limited by government.[/QUOTE]
ah that clears it up. I always thought that "left" and "libertarian" were mutually exclusive
Ron Paul was also against the war on drugs, wasn't he?
[QUOTE=Edthefirst;26468364]All I know is Ron Paul has the saddest politician picture I've ever seen.
[img_thumb]http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/7295/ronpaul.jpg[/img_thumb]
:ohdear:[/QUOTE]
[img]http://img843.imageshack.us/img843/6172/ronpaulcopy.jpg[/img]
Ron Paul is also a creationist and is afraid of America becoming a secular nation:
[url]http://lewrockwell.com/paul/paul148.html[/url]
[QUOTE=TehKaboose;26468693]Ron Paul 2012 :patriot:. Ok, I´m not even american. But he seems like the only damn politician who respects people´s rights.[/QUOTE]
Unless you want to go to a public school or library, or have an abortion. Or teach evolution.
[QUOTE=TH89;26470735]Unless you want to go to a public school or library, or have an abortion. Or teach evolution.[/QUOTE]
Or if you're not white
or not christian
or if you're gay
[QUOTE=TH89;26470735]Unless you want to go to a public school or library, or have an abortion. Or teach evolution.[/QUOTE]
These things would still exist. He's a libertarian, not an anarchist. Being a libertarian he also supports the right to have an abortion, and the right of private schools to teach whatever they want. I'm not sure on his position on public schools. He makes a point not to involve his own personal beliefs into his politics, short of everyone has liberty to believe and do as they wish, and government has no part in messing with that.
I'm not sure why everyone has become so anti-Ron Paul. There was a very large internet fan base several years ago for him in this community and others.
I bet anyone here 2 x :10bux: that Ralf Nader defends Julian Assange.
[QUOTE=gman003-main;26468223]I dunno, a lot of his ideas are ultraconservative - going back to the gold standard? US isolationism? He's not crazy, but I think he'd make a much worse president than any of the past four.[/QUOTE]
Even though isolationism is horrible, presently it seems to beat the whole "durp overseas adventurism derp" thingee.
[editline]3rd December 2010[/editline]
[QUOTE=Miskatonic;26471198]I bet anyone here 2 x :10bux: that Ralf Nader defends Julian Assange.[/QUOTE]
It's :20bux:
[QUOTE=Edthefirst;26468364]All I know is Ron Paul has the saddest politician picture I've ever seen.
[img_thumb]http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/7295/ronpaul.jpg[/img_thumb]
:ohdear:[/QUOTE]
Christ its like Keanu Reeves
Someone give this guy a brofist :frown:
[QUOTE=Eudoxia;26471215]Even though isolationism is horrible, presently it seems to beat the whole "durp overseas adventurism derp" thingee.
[editline]3rd December 2010[/editline]
It's :20bux:[/QUOTE]
But I only have two :10bux:'s.
[QUOTE=Detective P;26471179]I'm not sure why everyone has become so anti-Ron Paul. There was a very large internet fan base several years ago for him in this community and others.[/QUOTE]
Pretty sure everyone was only supporting him "ironically". And, like all fads, it passed.
[QUOTE=Detective P;26471179]These things would still exist. He's a libertarian, not an anarchist. Being a libertarian he also supports the right to have an abortion[/QUOTE]
Wrong! [url]http://www.ontheissues.org/tx/Ron_Paul_Abortion.htm[/url]
[QUOTE=Detective P;26471179]I'm not sure on his position on public schools.[/QUOTE]
He opposes Federal support for them. [url]http://www.ontheissues.org/2008/Ron_Paul_Education.htm[/url]
[QUOTE=Detective P;26471179]He makes a point not to involve his own personal beliefs into his politics[/QUOTE]
He also thinks creationism should be taught in schools (see the education link).
Respect for Ron Paul +10
[QUOTE=gman003-main;26468223]I dunno, a lot of his ideas are ultraconservative - going back to the gold standard? US isolationism? He's not crazy, but I think he'd make a much worse president than any of the past four.[/QUOTE]
Conservative?
Most conservatives aren't isolationists.
Isolationism, in an economic sense, is actually rather liberal as opposed to free trade which is essentially a tool of corporations to exploit the third world.
Isolationism, in the diplomatic/foreign relations sense, is liberal as opposed to the hegemony and interventionism of America.
Ron Paul would make a great supreme court justice. Probably not a great president though.
[QUOTE=gman003-main;26471253]Pretty sure everyone was only supporting him "ironically". And, like all fads, it passed.[/QUOTE]
It wasn't ironic. What happened was that libertarians were promoting him on the internet, and liberals were impressed by his radical positions on things like the war in Iraq, which were more extreme ones than the democrats were willing to take. Ron Paul and his libertarian supporters knew that all the liberals would jump ship if they found out about Ron Paul's crazy views on evolution, education, abortion, social services, etc. so they did their best to downplay that and make sure Ron Paul only talked about Iraq and Drugs in his media appearances.
[QUOTE=gman003-main;26471253]Pretty sure everyone was only supporting him "ironically". And, like all fads, it passed.[/QUOTE]
People supporting Ron Paul should be banned for memeshit.
[QUOTE=snuwoods;26471312]Conservative?
Most conservatives aren't isolationists.
Isolationism, in an economic sense, is actually rather liberal as opposed to free trade which is essentially a tool of corporations to exploit the third world.
Isolationism, in the diplomatic/foreign relations sense, is liberal as opposed to the hegemony and interventionism of America.[/QUOTE]
Isolationism is a "reactionary" position. Along the political spectrum, that actually puts it as "more conservative than conservatives".
Economic isolationism is most definitely a conservative position. Tariff reductions and free trade agreements are usually pushed by liberals.
Diplomatic isolationism is also conservative, historically speaking. Only in the past few decades has "massive military spending" been a point for the conservatives. Really, I think that's the exception that proves the rule (the rule being "conservatives == small gov't spending").
Most importantly, immigration isolationism is a very conservative/reactionary point. How many liberals are out there saying "no more immigrants, ever"?
The thing I liked about Ron Paul is that despite his personal views on issues he was going to let the states decide for themselves things like abortion. Go go gadget libertarianism.
Incidentally, all in favor of trying an Australian for treason against the US? Say aye! Nicely done Huckatard you just threw your entire case out the window before it's even in court.
[QUOTE=Sector 7;26471327]Ron Paul would make a great supreme court justice. Probably not a great president though.[/QUOTE]
No, racist homophobe misogynists make for terrible justices.
Ron Paul would make a good drive-thru staffer or KKK member
Imagine the anger of people if he's guilty for treason and is executed.
[QUOTE=OddLawnGnome;26477600]The thing I liked about Ron Paul is that despite his personal views on issues he was going to let the states decide for themselves things like abortion. Go go gadget libertarianism.[/QUOTE]
"He may have horrific views, but at least he's not going to try to implement them" doesn't seem like a very high bar to set for our elected officials.
[QUOTE=TH89;26478072]"He may have horrific views, but at least he's not going to try to implement them" doesn't seem like a very high bar to set for our elected officials.[/QUOTE]
I dunno, the ability to separate "what I believe in" from "what the country believes in" is kind of important for a representative. I'd probably support him if his beliefs were at least logically supportable, even if I disagreed, but some of his stronger ideas are just nonsense.
[QUOTE=gman003-main;26478124]I dunno, the ability to separate "what I believe in" from "what the country believes in" is kind of important for a representative. I'd probably support him if his beliefs were at least logically supportable, even if I disagreed, but some of his stronger ideas are just nonsense.[/QUOTE]
most of his ideas are nonsense
the only reason I can understand agreeing with him is if you're rich, white, straight, male, and christian.
[QUOTE=gman003-main;26478124]I dunno, the ability to separate "what I believe in" from "what the country believes in" is kind of important for a representative. I'd probably support him if his beliefs were at least logically supportable, even if I disagreed, but some of his stronger ideas are just nonsense.[/QUOTE]
Ron Paul just wants to eliminate as much of the Federal government as possible, though--he's not just going to do whatever the majority of Americans wants.
[QUOTE=TH89;26478266]Ron Paul just wants to eliminate as much of the Federal government as possible, though--he's not just going to do whatever the majority of Americans wants.[/QUOTE]
That much I can actually agree with, just not the extent. I'm definitely of the opinion that "he who governs best governs least". I would like to see a lot of the federal government cut back - the DHS has grown way, way too large, and the IRS needs trimming, for starters.
What I really disagree with are his other policies. A freeze on immigration is probably the worst idea ever. I've already detailed exactly why his economic ideas would trash the economy in minutes. Public education, while in need of some reform (mainly to stop the Jesus-freaks), is definitely a necessity.
I think you guys are really overreacting on loving the fuck out of Ron Paul just because he said one thing.
His other beliefs =/= this belief.
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