• AMD is finished: Bank hired to explore options; sale of assets possible
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[QUOTE=laserguided;38441504]Both consoles apparently, both using APU configuration. They made their bets well, and are now profiting.[/QUOTE] AMD is probably trying to sell their x86 desktop & server CPU division (irony)
Christ, I hope this doesn't drive Nvidia prices up too much by next summer, hoping to build a new PC then
CUM ON VIA STEP IT UP!!
There wont be a monopoly, there's always someone willing to step up and compete. Anyone remember 3dfx? Also, expect cheaper nvidia cards as they go for a final punch.
I'll always likely stick with Intel CPUs and Nvidia GPUs, but I want AMD around to keep prices low. But honestly, with AMD acting as an OEM for the majority of prebuilt PCs, it's hard to see, at least for me, how they can be going under. And don't they have lots of components in the Wii U and upcoming PS4? I also think it's cute how Facepunch has always been making "ADD MORE CORES" jokes about AMD, and now it's mourning it.
God barely a month ago I was deciding whether to go AMD or Intel for my new computer, looks like it was a good thing I did choose Intel then. Same can't be said about my choice of GPU though, what do you think will happen to driver support if they do close down?
[QUOTE=Brandy92;38441838]There wont be a monopoly, there's always someone willing to step up and compete. Anyone remember 3dfx? Also, expect cheaper nvidia cards as they go for a final punch.[/QUOTE] Then Nvidia, its main rival, bought out 3dfx.
[QUOTE=Naaz;38441860]I'll always likely stick with Intel CPUs and Nvidia GPUs, but I want AMD around to keep prices low. But honestly, with AMD acting as an OEM for the majority of prebuilt PCs, it's hard to see, at least for me, how they can be going under. And don't they have lots of components in the Wii U and upcoming PS4? I also think it's cute how Facepunch has always been making "ADD MORE CORES" jokes about AMD, and now it's mourning it.[/QUOTE] Its all good and shit until something bad actually happens.
Anyone remember Hercules GPUs? [editline]14th November 2012[/editline] Me neither.
nvidia should buy ati or should I call it the gpu division of amd now... i am tired of this amd vs nvidia bullshit i want a new card which consumes less watts and blows the current gen video cards out of the water same goes for cpu's but intel is quite the asshole now.
[QUOTE=Amiga OS;38440681]There are some people (me included) who were stung by supposedly high-end AMD GPU's one time too many and refuse to go back for more.[/QUOTE] are you the guy who was complaining about them not supporting your 5 generation old card or was that someone else
[QUOTE=FlubberNugget;38441440] And the Xbox if I remember correctly. [editline]13th November 2012[/editline] And so does the WiiU.[/QUOTE] The Wii u has a triple core AMD processor and the xbox uses a new bulldozer APU chip
[QUOTE=FlubberNugget;38440963]I don't blame AMD for not wanting to update 7+ year old drivers because microsoft decided to obfuscate everything because why not[/QUOTE] And this is exactly why they are doing bad Is it really that hard to see that if people are having bad driver issues with AMD products, that they will automatically associate the source of the issue with AMD instead of with Windows (especailly since, their competition, has historically had almost zero issues with this)? Who cares if its Windows fault or not that AMD driver support sucks or is sketchy. Fact is, you get a worse driver experience using the AMD drivers than you would if you just stuck with the competition. And that translates to a lower-quality brand, which should have translated to, "Hmm, this is something we need to be sure to stay on top of, because otherwise consumers are going to stop trusting our products, even if it isn't directly our fault". But they didn't, and now they are under threat of going out of business. Besides, issues like poor driver support aren't really the cause of them maybe going out of business. It's simply the straw that broke the camels back. It's many factors that are bringing this into light. Poor drivers compared to competition, lack of good processors in the past few years that are relevant for PC enthusiasts compared to competition (Bulldozer being crap in most situations, etc), lack of [I]any[/I] real holdings in any kind of mobile market (a HUGE "cash crop"), etc. The only thing that was keeping AMD relevant was their PC hardware and their console hardware. The consoles are way outdated now, and already "bought" by the relevant consumer market, so they aren't really making that much for AMD anymore. And their PC hardware has consistently been trumped by its competition for the past few years. And because they literally don't operate outside of those two markets that much, it pretty much spells the doom for them.
[QUOTE=FlubberNugget;38441900]Then Nvidia, its main rival, bought out 3dfx.[/QUOTE] Can't say nvidia aren't good/smart businessmen. Im expecting AMD to close shop on PC hardware and jump to the mobile market.
[QUOTE=PN_Redux;38442001]The Wii u has a triple core AMD processor[/QUOTE] Errr... IBM Power CPU, AMD Radeon GPU.
[QUOTE=FlubberNugget;38441497]I also still fail to see what business a video game developing team would have in buying a [B]huge[/B] name and business like AMD.[/QUOTE] -AMD promotionals on Steam -years of hardware experience for development of the "Steam Console" if that ever happens -Provided hardware to develop games on -More freedom in their [url=http://store.steampowered.com/hardware/amd]"driver updates through Steam"[/url] thing -Could integrate drivers completely with Steam or the Source Engine (or the upcoming engine) -Cheap hardware to use as test machines or servers -They can expand the Steam Store more and increase their [url=http://store.steampowered.com/app/901666/]hardware section[/url] which is practically empty right now and we know they're looking for ways to expand -They can get AMD to develop chips designed for gaming on Linux/OpenGL since Valve is trying to push PC Gaming in that direction -All the current AMD partnerships with game developers and computer manufacturers could be expanded to AMD/Steam partnerships -They get another bargaining chip to use. Since Microsoft didn't let them integrate Steam on the Xbox 360's version of CS:GO/Portal 2, they now have ownership of the chip the Xbox Durango is going to be using they can make a deal. Now whether it'll be a good investment or not is a different question, but there's definitely lots of things they could do with it if they did own it.
[QUOTE=koeniginator;38442060]-AMD promotionals on Steam -years of hardware experience for development of the "Steam Console" if that ever happens -Provided hardware to develop games on -More freedom in their [URL="http://store.steampowered.com/hardware/amd"]"driver updates through Steam"[/URL] thing -Could integrate drivers completely with Steam or the Source Engine (or the upcoming engine) -Cheap hardware to use as test machines or servers -They can expand the Steam Store more and increase their [URL="http://store.steampowered.com/app/901666/"]hardware section[/URL] which is practically empty right now and we know they're looking for ways to expand -They can get AMD to develop chips designed for gaming on Linux/OpenGL since Valve is trying to push PC Gaming in that direction -All the current AMD partnerships with game developers and computer manufacturers could be expanded to AMD/Steam partnerships -They get another bargaining chip to use. Since Microsoft didn't let them integrate Steam on the Xbox 360's version of CS:GO/Portal 2, they now have ownership of the chip the Xbox Durango is going to be using they can make a deal. Now whether it'll be a good investment or not is a different question, but there's definitely lots of things they could do with it if they did own it.[/QUOTE] Sure they could maybe do a lot with it. But valve just isn't big enough to buy out something like AMD [I]just yet.[/I] That's something that would take years of planning. [sub][sub]p.s it's never going to happen[/sub][/sub]
[QUOTE=koeniginator;38442060]develop chips designed for gaming on Linux/OpenGL[/QUOTE] What.
Imo valve are better off starting their own hardware division and hiring those left without a job at AMD. You know, what valve usually do. Oh, and nvidia will be out poaching their employees too after this news.
also, microsoft would just move to another chip manufacturer in last case.
[quote] AMD said in an email to Reuters it is not actively pursuing a sale of the company or any significant assets.[/quote] jesus christ AMD hiring an outside pair of eyes to (audit?) look at their company doesn't mean that valve is going to buy AMD. It doesn't even mean that AMD are even close to or considering selling. Valve would never buy AMD. That makes absolutely no sense. They are just getting rid of nonessential stuff and then diversifying their company to more closely fit the current mobile (and gaming?) oriented market. [quote]AMD said last month it would slash 15 percent of its workforce, while devoting more resources to areas outside of its traditional PC business, including communications, industrial and gaming applications. [/quote]
[quote]Shadaez Can't get a joke[/quote] [highlight](User was banned for this post ("why reply" - MaxOfS2D))[/highlight]
The scary thing is some people are treating this seriously
Some people don't seem to be joking. [editline]13th November 2012[/editline] fucking ninjas
They're not "finished", they're not doing to well so they're doing what any other business does. Cuts their expenses. They're not dead.
[QUOTE='[EG] Pepper;38441906']Anyone remember Hercules GPUs? [editline]14th November 2012[/editline] Me neither.[/QUOTE] I have one of those fuckers laying around in a parts bin. It used the first AGP standard which was incompatible with all the "newer" agp standard, which ironically also were backwards, and forwards compatible with each other. So it's double useless.
Would it be possible for some newer companies are formed out of AMDs old divisons?
[QUOTE=Van-man;38442339]I have one of those fuckers laying around in a parts bin. It used the first AGP standard which was incompatible with all the "newer" agp standard, which ironically also were backwards, and forwards compatible with each other. So it's double useless.[/QUOTE] I got the 3D PROPHET 4000XT PCI. It uses a similar GPU to the sega dreamcast.
CEO has denied sale: [url]http://www.theverge.com/2012/11/13/3642344/amd-rory-read-sale-rumors[/url]
[QUOTE=Zephyrs;38442296]Some people don't seem to be joking. [editline]13th November 2012[/editline] fucking ninjas[/QUOTE] I'm well aware that the chance of this happening is comparable to Apple using windows 8 for their next line of Macs or Burger King dropping burgers from its menu, but it doesn't have to be realistic to discuss it. It's just fun to talk about theoretical situations. [QUOTE=sixtyten;38442115]What.[/QUOTE] you know what I mean Sure the current hardware works with OpenGL and Linux, but it's not designed to perform for that, their priority is getting good performance for games on windows using DirectX, they probably care very little for the performance on OpenGL or making Linux-compatible drivers compared to making drivers for Windows. here's an analogy: For example, car manufacturing company A makes cars designed to be driven on city roads. The cars are likely going to work on rural or off-road areas, but car manufacturing company A's biggest priority is making a car that gets good MPG and lasts a long time being driven on city roads. It's also probably a hassle to make a car specifically designed to drive on roads but without the capability to drive off-road, they have no reason to remove the functionality of driving off road and the functionality might come in handy for a good number of customers so they keep the function after testing it minimally. Now car manufacturing company B makes a specialized car, designed mainly for getting good MPG and lasting a long time driving off-road, with city road performance as the second priority. This car will also run on city roads, but they don't test its performance on city roads extensively. Does that make sense?
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