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[QUOTE=cartman;52692109]If it's a matter of giving them a legally binding document saying X agrees to z terms then I am 100% okay with it. But is a priest is forced to wed a gay couple in church due to law, thats not cool. What I am saying is from a legal stand point 100% for it. But as a cultural meaning, as in Christian definition of marriage and what goes with it.. I'm 100% against.[/QUOTE] People saying "No it won't affect churches!" are gullible and narrow minded, look what's happening with the baker that refused to bake a cake for the same-sex wedding, he's getting sued and constantly harassed. SSM is not a simple as people make it to be and it WILL lead to more issues without a single doubt. I'm honestly over this whole thing in any case, bigger things happening in the world and Australia. I've already voted so whatever.

[QUOTE=Lebofly;52692185]People saying "No it won't affect churches!" are gullible and narrow minded, look what's happening with the baker that refused to bake a cake for the same-sex wedding, he's getting sued and constantly harassed. SSM is not a simple as people make it to be and it WILL lead to more issues without a single doubt[/QUOTE] did you miss where same sex couples CAN get married in other countries and it isn't causing any issues you're 'gullible and narrow minded' to think it will the baker has nothing to do with the church. he's just a random bigot.

[QUOTE=Rusty100;52692189]did you miss where same sex couples CAN get married in other countries and it isn't causing any issues you're 'gullible and narrow minded' to think it will the baker has nothing to do with the church. he's just a random bigot.[/QUOTE] He's a bigot because his religion influences his decision to not bake a cake for a same sex wedding? People don't have to support SSM and people don't, simple as that.

and even if it does cause issues, that's no reason not to legalize same sex marriage. it's a human rights issue. if there are issues, let's get them out of the way now instead of prolonging them. replace 'gay people' with 'people of colour' to see how bad your argument is. imagine going 'we can't let black people vote, think of the issues it will cause!' [editline]18th September 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Lebofly;52692194]He's a bigot because his religion influences his decision to not bake a cake for a same sex wedding?[/QUOTE] yes. devoutly religious people often are bigots. and if you can't question why something is the way it is, or at least have your own opinion separate from a group, then you're also probably not a thinkin' kinda' person. [QUOTE=Lebofly;52692194]People don't have to support SSM and people don't, simple as that[/QUOTE] now who is the one saying it's simple? nobody has to support same sex marriage. you're just either uninformed, or an ugly hateful person if you don't. it's pointless cruelty.

[QUOTE=Lebofly;52692185] I'm honestly over this whole thing in any case, bigger things happening in the world and Australia. I've already voted so whatever.[/QUOTE] "People are being discriminated against but there are other issues to deal with so let's just ignore it." Great thinking! I forgot that we can only focus on one thing at a time.

[QUOTE=Lebofly;52692185]People saying "No it won't affect churches!" are gullible and narrow minded, look what's happening with the baker that refused to bake a cake for the same-sex wedding, he's getting sued and constantly harassed. SSM is not a simple as people make it to be and it WILL lead to more issues without a single doubt. I'm honestly over this whole thing in any case, bigger things happening in the world and Australia. I've already voted so whatever.[/QUOTE] You'll be glad to know then, Australia has an exemption for religious organisations in regards to anti-discrimination laws, so there will be no legal grounds for a church to be sued for refusing to perform a gay marriage ceremony.

[QUOTE=cartman;52692109]If it's a matter of giving them a legally binding document saying X agrees to z terms then I am 100% okay with it. But is a priest is forced to wed a gay couple in church due to law, thats not cool. What I am saying is from a legal stand point 100% for it. But as a cultural meaning, as in Christian definition of marriage and what goes with it.. I'm 100% against.[/QUOTE] So you voted no because you didn't understand what they were asking you? That's exactly what the postal vote was asking - the legal stand point!

i voted no for radical sex programs in our schools

[QUOTE=LAMB SAUCE;52692612]i voted no for radical sex programs in our schools[/QUOTE] Good thing that's not related to the same sex marriage debate, since it's not a consequence of it.

[QUOTE=FlandersNed;52692625]Good thing that's not related to the same sex marriage debate, since it's not a consequence of it.[/QUOTE] the ads told me so how are we going to save our children from these radicals and their radical sex programs [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Shitpost - Last Chance" - Mezzokoko))[/highlight]

[QUOTE=LAMB SAUCE;52692612]i voted no for radical sex programs in our schools[/QUOTE] What are you talking about?

[QUOTE=OfficerLamarr;52692728]What are you talking about?[/QUOTE] I'd say he's shitposting

[QUOTE=FlandersNed;52692625]Good thing that's not related to the same sex marriage debate, since it's not a consequence of it.[/QUOTE] However instead of a legitimate response to incorporate some sense into the issue people have with this, it's responded with harassment, laughter, and the furthest thing from a progressive society.

[QUOTE=Lebofly;52692185]People saying "No it won't affect churches!" are gullible and narrow minded, look what's happening with the baker that refused to bake a cake for the same-sex wedding, he's getting sued and constantly harassed. SSM is not a simple as people make it to be and it WILL lead to more issues without a single doubt. I'm honestly over this whole thing in any case, bigger things happening in the world and Australia. I've already voted so whatever.[/QUOTE] what's the relationship between the baker and the church here...? if a baker (a producer of public commodities/goods) refuses service, this [potentially, currently pending in courts] violates the Civil Rights Act. A church can still discriminate [B]at will[/B]. It doesn't affect churches lol. The state legally cannot force churches to perform gay weddings. there are still plenty of churches around here that don't service gay weddings. Plenty that do, as well, because they figure "hm, two people who love each other, and we need to stay current in order to keep the pews filled, so fuck it!"

[QUOTE=Scratch.;52692739]However instead of a legitimate response to incorporate some sense into the issue people have with this, it's responded with harassment, laughter, and the furthest thing from a progressive society.[/QUOTE] what are you saying, gay people are mean? when people spew hateful, mind bogglingly stupid rhetoric, we can't mock them? [editline]18th September 2017[/editline] the furthest thing I can think of from a progressive society is denying gay people basic human rights that everyone else has.

[QUOTE=Rusty100;52692753]what are you saying, gay people are mean? when people spew hateful, mind bogglingly stupid rhetoric, we can't mock them?[/QUOTE] gotta love how "political correctness has gone mad!!!" only goes in one direction. Why can't I just call people racists and bigots if they're being racists and bigots? Why do I need to make excuses for them?

[QUOTE=Rusty100;52692753]what are you saying, gay people are mean? when people spew hateful, mind bogglingly stupid rhetoric, we can't mock them? [editline]18th September 2017[/editline] the furthest thing I can think of from a progressive society is denying gay people basic human rights that everyone else has.[/QUOTE] And you think mocking them is going to help your case? love is love but it sounds like love is hate

these bloody savages. here i am, trying to deny gay people the right to legally show love for one another, to condemn them to a society that actively shuns and won't recognise their relationships, to continuously climbing suicide rates, and i get called a damn bigot and laughed at! it's barbaric! you call this progressive?! [editline]18th September 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Scratch.;52692773]And you think mocking them is going to help your case? love is love but it sounds like love is hate[/QUOTE] i've been trying to preach love and understanding and i haven't laughed at anybody in here, the worst i've done is call people hateful and cruel, OR just misinformed, not presuming to know your character until we've talked. i would love to convince people through reason! but by the same point, when people start saying outragiously hurtful, bigoted, ill thought out things, without considering the lives they are impacting and the damage they are causing, i don't think they're entitled to respect. someone who can afford them that is a better person than me.

[QUOTE=Rusty100;52692782]these bloody savages. here i am, trying to deny gay people the right to legally show love for one another, to condemn them to a society that actively shuns and won't recognise their relationships, to continuously climbing suicide rates, and i get called a damn bigot and laughed at! it's barbaric! you call this progressive?![/QUOTE] Not just laughed at, it's much more serious than that Would you agree that it's okay to dox people over it?

no, good thing nobody here is doing that, and anyone reasonable would condemn that. are you seriously about to play the 'left is full of bad people and doxxers' card?

[QUOTE=Rusty100;52692787]no, good thing nobody here is doing that, and anyone reasonable would condemn that. are you seriously about to play the 'left is full of bad people and doxxers' card?[/QUOTE] Both sides have people doing distasteful actions, it would be idiotic to even mention that this accounts for any majority of either side

[QUOTE=Scratch.;52692795]Both sides have people doing distasteful actions, it would be idiotic to even mention that this accounts for any majority of either side[/QUOTE] cool! i condemn doxxing and anything else unethical and shitty. so some people from the marriage equality side are doing uncool things. the entire anti-marriage equality side are doing bad shit. they're voting no. the inherent stance of that side is cruelty. so don't start the whole trump ass 'blame on both sides' shit. one side is promoting love and one side is promoting hate. a few shitheads on the good side doesn't really compare to the entire stance of the anti-side. nevertheless, i agree, that stuff sucks! [editline]18th September 2017[/editline] you might notice i'm really passionate about this. so apologies if you think i'm getting intense or mean. but trying to take the moral high ground 'both sides' argument on an issue of human rights really stinks man.

[QUOTE=Rusty100;52692798] you might notice i'm really passionate about this. so apologies if you think i'm getting intense or mean. but trying to take the moral high ground 'both sides' argument on an issue of human rights really stinks man.[/QUOTE] Yeah, but it just really sucks that there are people that are meant to be promoting love also just feel like giving reasons to hate one another Some people are just really rotten though, and neither of us would be able to do anything about it Kevin Rudd put a pretty important tweet out the other day, just shows the worst of it all

[QUOTE=cartman;52691993]Yeah but people could also be voting no due to religion. Though depending on your religion voting no would be okay or horible human being on this fourm. I voted no and mailed this morning, getting married is a cultural tradition to me and is not a basic human right at all. Can anyone explain why gays need to be married?[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]If it's a matter of giving them a legally binding document saying X agrees to z terms then I am 100% okay with it. But is a priest is forced to wed a gay couple in church due to law, thats not cool. What I am saying is from a legal stand point 100% for it. But as a cultural meaning, as in Christian definition of marriage and what goes with it.. I'm 100% against.[/QUOTE] Why am I not surprised that this a very different rhetoric than your original 'I want to vote yes, but Australia just isn't ready~' spiel? Why am I not surprised that there's some vague persecution complex as if this forum is only against homophobic sentiment when it comes out of a Christian's mouth? Why am I not surprised that you completely misunderstand the ramifications of this referendum? Why am I also not surprised that you seem to consider marriage a Christian invention when it was invented by the Romans? Good of you to finally open up about this after you've mailed your vote. Really helps honest discussion.

Typical vote yes or you're a bigoted piece of shit, I honestly hope this vote flops

[QUOTE=Lebofly;52694734]Typical vote yes or you're a bigoted piece of shit, I honestly hope this vote flops[/QUOTE] I'm really curious about why you think denying people rights based on their sexual orientation isn't bigoted.

[QUOTE=Lebofly;52694734]Typical vote yes or you're a bigoted piece of shit, I honestly hope this vote flops[/QUOTE] Well, if you vote no you're a typical bigot, so hey, how about you just embrace it. It's really quite simple. It's telling that you brought up the cake guy, because it shows that one bigot's legal troubles (that he eventually won iirc) is more important to you than the rights of millions of people.

[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;52694822]Well, if you vote no you're a typical bigot, so hey, how about you just embrace it. It's really quite simple. It's telling that you brought up the cake guy, because it shows that one bigot's legal troubles (that he eventually won iirc) is more important to you than the rights of millions of people.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Lebofly;52669573]Well personally I don't want to see "Political correctness" become the norm, this is the first step towards that. I think this passing will have a much larger effect on society in comparison to it not passing. Regardless what happens will happen, if the majority want it then I guess they'll get it, if not then oh well we all live in any case[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Pat.Lithium;52694996][/QUOTE] lmao what does this have to do with political correctness this is dumbest shit i've heard jesus

[QUOTE=Lebofly;52694734]Typical vote yes or you're a bigoted piece of shit, I honestly hope this vote flops[/QUOTE] Do you have any non-religious reasons for voting no?