[QUOTE=gk99;51752731]You're never really going to get a 100% accurate answer when asking people why they commit a crime, but here's an anonymous poll done by PC Gamer with a "Yes, I pirate" sample size of around 20,000:
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So yeah, I'm inclined to say it's not the DRM that's mainly causing it. The main answers are generally money-based in every age group.[/QUOTE]
Alright then, I definitely retract the original answer. Not sure how I didn't find this poll when I searched originally, but in seeing this, I guess I'm undeniably wrong.
Publicly, I've seen people claim DRM reasons more than anything else, but that's where I went wrong I suppose. It was not anonymous, so when someone's reputation is on the line, they're more likely to lie and say they pirate for a "more noble" reason than simply not being able to afford it or otherwise. Anonymity sure does a lot, doesn't it.
In that, I apologize for not looking into it more beyond shitty anecdotal he said she saids before trying to answer an open question so bluntly.
[QUOTE=SuperDuperScoot;51752772]Alright then, I definitely retract the original answer. Not sure how I didn't find this poll when I searched originally, but in seeing this, I guess I'm undeniably wrong.
Publicly, I've seen people claim DRM reasons more than anything else, but that's where I went wrong I suppose. It was not anonymous, so when someone's reputation is on the line, they're more likely to lie and say they pirate for a "more noble" reason than simply not being able to afford it or otherwise. Anonymity sure does a lot, doesn't it.
In that, I apologize for not looking into it more beyond shitty anecdotal he said she saids before trying to answer an open question so bluntly.[/QUOTE]
I wouldn't worry about it, the only reason I knew it existed was because I participated and was the results really interesting when they put them out.
[QUOTE=Rocâ„¢;51752656]You cannot kill piracy.[/QUOTE]
Probably not, but the AAA piracy scene is basically comatose at this point. Once Denuvo adapts again it will be back to the half year long wait for cracks for new games.
[QUOTE=SuperDuperScoot;51752772]Alright then, I definitely retract the original answer. Not sure how I didn't find this poll when I searched originally, but in seeing this, I guess I'm undeniably wrong.
Publicly, I've seen people claim DRM reasons more than anything else, but that's where I went wrong I suppose. It was not anonymous, so when someone's reputation is on the line, they're more likely to lie and say they pirate for a "more noble" reason than simply not being able to afford it or otherwise. Anonymity sure does a lot, doesn't it.
In that, I apologize for not looking into it more beyond shitty anecdotal he said she saids before trying to answer an open question so bluntly.[/QUOTE]
It's easy to explain. Not a lot of people want to admit that they're cheap on cash, and it's easier to shift blame on semi-bad practices of developer.
[QUOTE=CruelAddict;51752795]It's easy to explain. Not a lot of people want to admit that they're cheap on cash, and it's easier to shift blame on semi-bad practices of developer.[/QUOTE]
hahaha sure dude yeah right
let me just boot up my steam copy of METAL GEAR SOLID v - THE PHANTOM PAIN ™ and enjoy 10 minutes of konami server popups in which they threaten to ban me from online play if I mod my singleplayer game! Every loading screen is also now longer, courtesy of always online drm!
[sp] or I crack my legitimate copy of the game to avoid this [/sp]
then maybe after I can play a little bit of Quantum Break ™ and enjoy constant windows store slowdowns, login attempts, and needless achievements constantly being shoved on my goddamn monitor!
[sp] or I can crack the game and not have to bother with this [/sp]
then if I am feeling really like I want to play more video games on my computer hardware , I'll play a bit of Grand Theft Auto V ™ ! my machine is a bit old though, and there is no way for me to revert my original copy of the game to a version that was more stable, since recent patches have degraded performance for me :c
[sp] only if there was a way to solve that [/sp]
so yeah no, you just don't fit within the margins, but just because something doesn't apply to you, do not call others cheap fucks when it applies to them
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I really hope this game still sells. I hope the people thinking about torrenting it also think about giving Capcom their due and purchase the full game.
This seems like the first truly right thing Capcom has done with Resident Evil in ages, it would be a shame to see them go back on it because piracy fucked with their sales during crucial times.
[QUOTE=geel9;51752333]You're assuming the game would've come to Mac or Linux anyways, which is a hell of a claim considering that Mac and Linux are incredibly shitty markets for games.[/QUOTE]
It implicitly reinforces Windows' monopoly on the games market, though. While Microsoft aren't the EEE-hungry tyrants they used to be, it's still something that should be avoided.
[QUOTE=CruelAddict;51752750]For the love of God, you're saying you are a big fan of Denuvo, yet in every instance of your post you spell it wrong??[/QUOTE]
Sry I am retarded
Also at any argument regarding the witcher 3 - this is almost like using a Hitler argument in political debates, witcher is an insanely amazing piece of entertainment, a literally extreme case, not all devs are able to make a masterpiece and undersell it for a good measure. W3 retail in Poland costed 30 dollars, had a gog key, ost and other goodies
[QUOTE=Nexosz;51753289]Sry I am retarded
Also at any argument regarding the witcher 3 - this is almost like using a Hitler argument in political debates, witcher is an insanely amazing piece of entertainment, a literally extreme case, not all devs are able to make a masterpiece and undersell it for a good measure. W3 retail in Poland costed 30 dollars, had a gog key, ost and other goodies[/QUOTE]
bad product = overprice it?
good product = underprice it???????
WTF???
for real thou why can't devs do what witcher 3 does? If they make their games too ambitious and overmarket it maybe they shouldn't do that?? Then they would get sales proportional to the amount of actual work put into the game rather then a bad reputation, and prevent pirating in the first place? Alternatively make the prices actually reasonable. If every game is $80 I am only going to buy one of those a year if I even do. It's over saturation. Oh also the games are split up into 50 different parts you have to pay for too! And they wonder why people pirate! Might as well milk the legitimate customers for all their money right?
Meanwhile, witcher 3, good game, doesn't oversell itself, makes a reasonable price, has expansions not dlc, within 2 years of release makes price even better even though some games like call of duty are still selling the ORIGINAL black ops (2010- SEVEN YEARS AGO) for FIFTY DOLLARS! WITHOUT DLC! I wonder where my money should go.... There's no reason Witcher 3 [I]shouldn't [/I]be an argument when it did literally everything right!!
Meanwhile, denuvo is reasonable... until the servers get shut down. If any company went bankrupt or etc, and refused to update their game, the game would be gone for good. Even if it was singleplayer. It would HAVE to be cracked to play it. See Darkspore for how horribly wrong this can go.
[QUOTE=Egevened;51753060]hahaha sure dude yeah right
let me just boot up my steam copy of METAL GEAR SOLID v - THE PHANTOM PAIN ™ and enjoy 10 minutes of konami server popups in which they threaten to ban me from online play if I mod my singleplayer game! Every loading screen is also now longer, courtesy of always online drm!
[sp] or I crack my legitimate copy of the game to avoid this [/sp]
then maybe after I can play a little bit of Quantum Break ™ and enjoy constant windows store slowdowns, login attempts, and needless achievements constantly being shoved on my goddamn monitor!
[sp] or I can crack the game and not have to bother with this [/sp]
then if I am feeling really like I want to play more video games on my computer hardware , I'll play a bit of Grand Theft Auto V ™ ! my machine is a bit old though, and there is no way for me to revert my original copy of the game to a version that was more stable, since recent patches have degraded performance for me :c
[sp] only if there was a way to solve that [/sp]
so yeah no, you just don't fit within the margins, but just because something doesn't apply to you, do not call others cheap fucks when it applies to them[/QUOTE]
I don't think anyone here is really saying that nobody pirates games because they object to bad practices, but that realistically you'd be insanely naive to believe that's even the majority. Think of how little fucks the average person gives about shit like that and then compare it to how much people like getting shit for free with little effort and little to no chance of consequence. Be realistic. The poll above is not perfect but I think it's pretty indicative of the reality certain people are trying to ignore
[QUOTE=Nexosz;51753289]Sry I am retarded
Also at any argument regarding the witcher 3 - this is almost like using a Hitler argument in political debates, witcher is an insanely amazing piece of entertainment, a literally extreme case, not all devs are able to make a masterpiece and undersell it for a good measure. W3 retail in Poland costed 30 dollars, had a gog key, ost and other goodies[/QUOTE]
All games in Poland (and to that extent, parts of Eastern Europe) are cheaper because people there don't have as much money. It's either make it cheaper or get no sales at all.
Most western developers/publishers are absolutely able to do what CDProjekt is doing. Look at Ubisoft, they have hordes and hordes of manpower on their games, yet use it to create derivative, underwhelming games that only go as far as looking nice. They could make games to the quality that CDProjekt does, they just don't because at the top of the company, there isn't really a passion for games.
[editline]31st January 2017[/editline]
[QUOTE=Elspin;51753322]I don't think anyone here is really saying that nobody pirates games because they object to bad practices, but that realistically you'd be insanely naive to believe that's even the majority. Think of how little fucks the average person gives about shit like that and then compare it to how much people like getting shit for free with little effort and little to no chance of consequence. Be realistic. The poll above is not perfect but I think it's pretty indicative of the reality certain people are trying to ignore[/QUOTE]
To me, the poll proves the "pirates wouldn't have bought it anyway" argument.
Personally I think Denuvo is loosing here slowly. From what I remember Denuvo wants to protect the game for at least a week or two, having a new game cracked in 5 days really screws with that.
It might also be an indicator that they will get cracked faster in the future.
Another problem with Denuvo is also that it straight up forbids any modding that involves the game.exe.
With Capcom's recent relapse into ineptitude, I wound't be surprised if RE7 is using an older version of Denuvo, hence why it got cracked so quickly.
Or as some others have said, their implementation was shoddy, which I wouldn't doubt given their shoddy implementation of Mike Z's PS3 drivers for SFV, shoddy rollback netcode for SFV that only takes the host into account, or their shoddy method of anti cheat on PC for SFV that was essentially a rootkit.
Still, the less effective Denuvo is, the better. Not because it ruins hard drives/kills performance (it doesn't seem to for me), but because DRM services like Denuvo just aren't good for consumers.
[QUOTE=Saxon;51752790]Probably not, but the AAA piracy scene is basically comatose at this point. Once Denuvo adapts again it will be back to the half year long wait for cracks for new games.[/QUOTE]
Piracy rates have dropped, but that's because we have better digital distribution services now, it's because it's not impossible to buy a game legally any more. We have Steam now.
It'd be idiotic to think that Denuvo has stopped piracy at any magnitude similar to Steam, how many people even know what Denuvo is?
If only we could obliterate geolocked pricing, though...
[QUOTE=CruelAddict;51752707]After Witcher 3 pretty much any claim about piracy ruining sales is just moot tbh.
Make a great game, take great gains.[/QUOTE]
No?
When there's statistics to prove the opposite in the games made by these studios, it's not a "moot point", it's just a fact.
A game being un-pirateable the first month or two improves sales.
TBH all i see is pirates blaming their piracy tendencies on drm.
I think denuvo is neat, it works rather “well” when it first works.
[editline]31st January 2017[/editline]
[QUOTE=TheJoker;51752305]No Linux or Mac OS support. Denuvo is windows only so they're cutting some purchases from people who don't use Windows.[/QUOTE]
I think statements like that come down to peoples ignorance in that case, i have a decent mac and a gaming desktop.
guess what, i bought the gaming desktop because i want to play resident evil 7 and newer games.
[QUOTE=Egevened;51753060]hahaha sure dude yeah right
let me just boot up my steam copy of METAL GEAR SOLID v - THE PHANTOM PAIN ™ and enjoy 10 minutes of konami server popups in which they threaten to ban me from online play if I mod my singleplayer game! Every loading screen is also now longer, courtesy of always online drm!
[sp] or I crack my legitimate copy of the game to avoid this [/sp]
then maybe after I can play a little bit of Quantum Break ™ and enjoy constant windows store slowdowns, login attempts, and needless achievements constantly being shoved on my goddamn monitor!
[sp] or I can crack the game and not have to bother with this [/sp]
then if I am feeling really like I want to play more video games on my computer hardware , I'll play a bit of Grand Theft Auto V ™ ! my machine is a bit old though, and there is no way for me to revert my original copy of the game to a version that was more stable, since recent patches have degraded performance for me :c
[sp] only if there was a way to solve that [/sp]
so yeah no, you just don't fit within the margins, but just because something doesn't apply to you, do not call others cheap fucks when it applies to them[/QUOTE]
Sick zingers. Still does not invalidate my argument, as you can tell from stats 50% on average cant afford buying games on regular basis.
I understand that there are people who are pissed off by DRMs, me included, but you are taking it to extreme. You are a vocal minority.
[QUOTE=Nexosz;51753289]Sry I am retarded
Also at any argument regarding the witcher 3 - this is almost like using a Hitler argument in political debates, witcher is an insanely amazing piece of entertainment, a literally extreme case, not all devs are able to make a masterpiece and undersell it for a good measure. W3 retail in Poland costed 30 dollars, had a gog key, ost and other goodies[/QUOTE]
While it's true that the massive success of TW3 can in part be attributed to circumstances outside of the game itself, to imply that DRM is necessary because it's too hard to make great games just doesn't hold water at all. It seems to suggest that mediocrity should be the norm, or that we should just accept that a significant amount of the money we spend on games will be wasted. Games can't be exempt from comparison to TW3 on account of it being "an extreme case" of quality.
There are some decent arguments in favor of DRM but that is not one of them.
[QUOTE=Samiam22;51753326]All games in Poland (and to that extent, parts of Eastern Europe) are cheaper because people there don't have as much money. It's either make it cheaper or get no sales at all.[/QUOTE]
And yet the Switch is 330€ in Slovakia, 400€ if you also want to play Zelda on it :v:
They just Nintendon't give a shit.
[QUOTE=The bird Man;51752568]I don't see evidence from any of you.[/QUOTE]
Look at the color of your username and say that with a straight face.
The majority of people who pirate don't want to pay for the game, it's really that simple.
Whilst there are plenty of reason why they might come to that decision other than FREEEEEEE, the majority reason is still money.
[QUOTE=Monkey pie;51754407]TBH all i see is pirates blaming their piracy tendencies on drm.
I think denuvo is neat, it works rather “well” when it first works.[/QUOTE]
And to be honest, DRM has always been a pain in the ass for decades now. In a way they're always fucking someone like modders, giving people issues about online stuff, and pretty much fucking a lot of people over when attempting to strike down pirates. It's like trying to kill a certain of people by running to a crowd full of innocent ones.
I hate these kinds of threads because it's not possible to discuss the topic properly, you'll just get banned
[QUOTE=damnatus;51754797]I hate these kinds of threads because it's not possible to discuss the topic properly, you'll just get banned[/QUOTE]
If you don't talk about piracy your doing yourself your supposed to be fine.
But Egevened got banned for talking about cracking legitimate copies of a game he bought so who knows.
Rather disappointed with the fact it got cracked so quickly. Capcom might already be too invested in the PC market, but one of the main reasons for the boom of PC titles from Japanese developers have been their guarantee from Denuvo that their games do not get pirated instantly.
This will definitely setback the adaption of PC versions of Japanese games in the future which saddens me.
[QUOTE=FezianEmperor;51754824]Rather disappointed with the fact it got cracked so quickly. Capcom might already be too invested in the PC market, but one of the main reasons for the boom of PC titles from Japanese developers have been their guarantee from Denuvo that their games do not get pirated instantly.
This will definitely setback the adaption of PC versions of Japanese games in the future which saddens me.[/QUOTE]
I think the main reason they haven't been very successful on pc is that they don't know how to do it. So far all their pc ports im aware of have been complete garbage, they just can't stand up to the high standards of the market. If their plan is to keep pumping out low quality garbage and rely on DRM to get people to pay for the trash then i don't think people should shed any tears for them.
[QUOTE=FezianEmperor;51754824]Rather disappointed with the fact it got cracked so quickly. Capcom might already be too invested in the PC market, but one of the main reasons for the boom of PC titles from Japanese developers have been their guarantee from Denuvo that their games do not get pirated instantly.
This will definitely setback the adaption of PC versions of Japanese games in the future which saddens me.[/QUOTE]
RE7 seems to sell really well and receive a lot of positive feedback. If that is not enough, then I don't know what is. If the answer is DRM, then quite frankly, they can fuck off.
[QUOTE=FezianEmperor;51754824]Rather disappointed with the fact it got cracked so quickly. Capcom might already be too invested in the PC market, but one of the main reasons for the boom of PC titles from Japanese developers have been their guarantee from Denuvo that their games do not get pirated instantly.
This will definitely setback the adaption of PC versions of Japanese games in the future which saddens me.[/QUOTE]
There aren't that many Japanese devs I know besides Capcom, Konami, and Square Enix that are using Denuvo.
Platinum hasn't used it yet, though given Nier is published by Square Enix, it might.
SNK hasn't used it yet.
FROM hasn't used it yet.
Not even ArcSys has used it yet, and as much as I love their games, they usually sell like shit.
Really, RE7 and MGSV are the only Japanese games that come to mind for me that use Denuvo.
And I haven't heard of any Japanese devs having a falling out with PC gaming because of pirates. The only falling out I can remember is Koei Tecmo because of their stupid stance with DoA 5.
[QUOTE=Rahu X;51754952]
Really, RE7 and MGSV are the only Japanese games that come to mind for me that use Denuvo.
[/QUOTE]Tales of Berseria seems to use it too
[QUOTE=rndgenerator;51754959]Tales of Berseria seems to use it too[/QUOTE]
Ah, you're right. Just checked the Denvuo Games curator and saw it on there.
Still, the majority of games that use Denuvo are Western releases.
[QUOTE=Mattk50;51754927]I think the main reason they haven't been very successful on pc is that they don't know how to do it. So far all their pc ports im aware of have been complete garbage, they just can't stand up to the high standards of the market. If their plan is to keep pumping out low quality garbage and rely on DRM to get people to pay for the trash then i don't think people should shed any tears for them.[/QUOTE]
RE7's port is actually pretty amazing and I have heard nothing bad about Tales of Berseria's port either. So I don't know where this is coming from. The Japanese have learned. God Eater Ressurection and God Eater 2 Raging Burst is also good ports running at 60 FPS without problems.
I think it's weird to state that, considering the Japanese are very protetctive and heavily against getting their work pirated. (See: Japanese laws on Copyright protection and how they handle pirates in Japan)
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