Google throws nearly a billion Android users under the bus, refuses to patch OS vulnerability - Polidicks

[QUOTE=agentfazexx;46918350]Get a Nexus phone and you won't have those problems.[/QUOTE] Unfortunately those of us on Verizon can't.

even if google still kept supporting 4.3 and prior whatever carrier you guys are on wouldn't give enough of a shit to update your specific variant of android anyways. moral of the story: flash cyanogenmod onto your phone.

[QUOTE=Levelog;46918837]Unfortunately those of us on Verizon can't.[/QUOTE] Verizon does activate the Nexus 6 from the Google Play Store.

Well to be fair; android Kit Kat (4.4) came out in End 2013, I believe Meaning it's gonna be two year old these years, and since most people are on contracts (Most of us on 2 year contracts), It's okay. Cause actually, who takes advantage of this? Barley anyone. The only "viruses" on android are androrat (which is outdated as fuck so not even working), and basic key-loggers that don't even pass get into the playstore or anything.. However; the article is made for 90% of bullshit and fake shit, dont get so mad over a shitty written article that is mostly over-exaggerating (title for example) to get people to read it

[QUOTE=agentfazexx;46918372]Android is open source. They can't force shit like that. Nor do they want to be like Apple does in that, or any aspect.[/QUOTE] they definitely want to and can force 'shit like that'. it being open source (and what you get on nexus devices is not entirely open source) has nothing to do with them being competent enough to push out regular updates [editline]13th January 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=agentfazexx;46918377]$250 in-contract isn't overpriced.[/QUOTE] sorry, but you're always paying too much for that heap of garbage. the nexus 5 was a good phone. the nexus 6 is not. at a flagship price it is worthless

[QUOTE=.Lain;46919024]they definitely want to and can force 'shit like that'. it being open source (and what you get on nexus devices is not entirely open source) has nothing to do with them being competent enough to push out regular updates [/QUOTE] Can you stop shit posting in this thread No they cannot Do you honestly think Google will(/wants to) update every phone's firmware, drivers, and roll out updates world wide and have a shitload of users complaining? (Not even to mention phone providers that have to roll out custom modified firmware) They can fucking not. They don't even have permission to. The brand that makes the phone can roll out updates; Google cannot suddenly overrule that,[B] and they do not want that. [/B] Sundar Pichai [I]Head of android[/I] has even said that android is being used as it should; getting modified, using the "open-source" part of it. "Android" will not, cannot force "shit like that" . Oh and for the record: [QUOTE=Hamsteronfire;46918362]I'm just tired of not seeing Google deal with the all the fragmentation that Android has. Honestly, things would be a lot easier if Google forced OEMs to include stock Android as standard on their models.[/QUOTE] It's not their models,[I] it's not their phones[/I]. The company that manufactures them gets to decide what is on them. Examples such as skins the "Touchwiz", "Sense" or LG launchers... Not even to mention: Motorola, owned by google released the Moto G with a custom version of android also. Do you honestly think Google would've kept android open-source if they wanted it all to run vanilla/OEM? That is an idiotic idea, and not what android is aiming for. It's not Apple, Android is a system, not a brand.

[QUOTE=Siemz;46919169]Can you stop shit posting in this thread .[/QUOTE] phwoar this is a proper feisty post [editline]13th January 2015[/editline] you can pretend fragmentation isn't a huge problem all you like but it really is i strongly disagree with your comment on android being a 'system'. it's very much a brand in 2014 and google treats it like so [t]http://www.androidcentral.com/sites/androidcentral.com/files/styles/large/public/article_images/2014/08/brand.jpg?itok=r8nSkZfJ[/t] android may as well be samsung OS.

if google took more steps to ensure OEMs kept their operating system updated for both the protection and value of customers fragmentation would be much lower; google is in direct contact with [I]all[/I] of the major OEMs potentially excluding some of the chinese ones. it's mostly a google problem

[QUOTE=HarryHy;46919005]Verizon does activate the Nexus 6 from the Google Play Store.[/QUOTE] Oh jeez, I didn't realize that. That's nice.

[QUOTE=.Lain;46919190]phwoar this is a proper feisty post [editline]13th January 2015[/editline] you can pretend fragmentation isn't a huge problem all you like but it really is i strongly disagree with your comment on android being a 'system'. it's very much a brand in 2014 and google treats it like so [t]http://www.androidcentral.com/sites/androidcentral.com/files/styles/large/public/article_images/2014/08/brand.jpg?itok=r8nSkZfJ[/t] android may as well be samsung OS.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=.Lain;46919241]if google took more steps to ensure OEMs kept their operating system updated for both the protection and value of customers fragmentation would be much lower; google is in direct contact with [I]all[/I] of the major OEMs potentially excluding some of the chinese ones. it's mostly a google problem[/QUOTE] Actually what takes the most time when releasing a new operating system is drivers & that has to do all with chip-set manufactures ; Since they have to make optimizations, have to decide if they are going to support the latest version of android, and then they have to develop it and after a long time the BSP (Board support package) is released to the company (samsung, htc, lg, motorla, etc etc) Sometimes they CANNOT force companies to keep shit updated thanks to the chip-set manufactures that have decided not to support/cannot support the latest version of android It's almost never, never ever a problem with the companies them self, mostly a driver problem when a phone gets "outdated" . --And on the modified versions of Android People who like it buy it, if you don't like it buy a GPe device or a nexus device. Your choice, but it is not a problem.

that's less of a problem now than it has ever been what with qualcomm and samsung dominating the android CPU market. that's part of the problem with a deployment system like android but it's not the only and most important cause, it's more to do with misplaced management. OEMs just don't update their phones as often as they should. i don't know why you can't just admit that potentially, an android OEM has made a mistake somewhere along the line and google is partly involved in that [editline]13th January 2015[/editline] i mean there are tons of phones with unofficial ROMs with more up to date versions of android than the official rolled out one. that literally proves my point fair and square. i think android is great. i use an android phone over an iPhone primarily because i like the operating system. but it has core problems like fragmentation that are hard to shrug off, and are hardly improving regardless of what 'android news' websites want you to think

[QUOTE=.Lain;46919384]that's less of a problem now than it has ever been what with qualcomm and samsung dominating the android CPU market. that's part of the problem with a deployment system like android but it's not the only and most important cause, it's more to do with misplaced management. OEMs just don't update their phones as often as they should. i don't know why you can't just admit that potentially, an android OEM has made a mistake somewhere along the line and google is partly involved in that [editline]13th January 2015[/editline] i mean there are tons of phones with unofficial ROMs with more up to date versions of android than the official rolled out one. that literally proves my point fair and square. i think android is great. i use an android phone over an iPhone primarily because i like the operating system. but it has core problems like fragmentation that are hard to shrug off, and are hardly improving regardless of what 'android news' websites want you to think[/QUOTE] You think all it is is putting software on something But it goes to a shitload of testing (drivers, software , software when its deployed, providers-specific, ) For example HTC (With HTC Sense included) has a 90-day update guideline they came up with If said they will release lollipop, they will within 90 days +/- Do you really think that if companies could do it faster they wouldn't?

[QUOTE=agentfazexx;46918377]$250 in-contract isn't overpriced.[/QUOTE] I buy my phones outright and pay $45 monthly for unlimited everything. It costs about $700 to buy the N6 outright. A typical smartphone contract in the US is in the $90-120 a month range and lasts two years. At $90 a month, with upfront fee, you end up paying $1300+ for that phone. At $120 a month, you end up paying $2000+ for that phone. A contract is a terrible financial choice, unless you manage to get a contract with free upgrades every 6 months or something. Otherwise, you end up paying twice as much for a phone.

i'm fairly aware of how software development and release patterns work. i don't really see any point in continuing this discussion seeing as you jumped to call me a 'shitposter' after a single post it's definitely not hard to see when someone is rabidly defending an operating system of their choice when you come up with such vapid arguments and insults

Cool, mototola phones have locked bootloaders now and I can't do shit as far as custom roms Didn't google aquire them? Why would they do that?

The bug mentioned in the article is a bug in the WebView widget/whatever you want to call it, that developers can use. That thing was part of the operating system, not Google Play Services, prior to Android 4.4 KitKat. They literally can not fix the problem, the only thing they can do is create a patch and hope manufacturers will push out updates - Google does not control updates for all Android devices ever made.

[QUOTE=Troll;46918728]if you buy something on contract, god have mercy on your soul.[/QUOTE] I've been buying phones on contract for years and have never had a problem with it or regretted it. [editline]13th January 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=FordLord;46919463]I buy my phones outright and pay $45 monthly for unlimited everything. It costs about $700 to buy the N6 outright. A typical smartphone contract in the US is in the $90-120 a month range and lasts two years. At $90 a month, with upfront fee, you end up paying $1300+ for that phone. At $120 a month, you end up paying $2000+ for that phone. A contract is a terrible financial choice, unless you manage to get a contract with free upgrades every 6 months or something. Otherwise, you end up paying twice as much for a phone.[/QUOTE] Your information is woefully outdated. Contracts are no longer that expensive and haven't been for at least a year.

[QUOTE=Snoberry Tea;46919630] Your information is woefully outdated. Contracts are no longer that expensive and haven't been for at least a year.[/QUOTE] Outdated? I'm going by what user's claim their plan's cost, as well as what providers claim their plans cost right this moment. For instance, T-Mobile's Unlimited plan is $80 a month, which is still $1000+ for a $700 phone. Verizon claims $75 per month for their highest (NOT unlimited) plan, with $15 per GB they go over. Assuming there are never overages in 2 years, that is still about $1000 for that phone. AT&T's website isn't the best to work with, but if I'm reading it right, a 3Gb plan costs $80 per month, 10Gb plan is $140, aka right in line with my estimates. They offer no unlimited plan, their highest plan is 100Gb for $415 a month. Sprint's Unlimited plan is $85 per month. US Cellular is $75 a month for 2Gb of data Contracts aren't expensive if you want minimal data, but at the moment I am talking about an Unlimited prepaid plan vs an Unlimited contract plan. That means that on the two providers that offer Unlimited plans at $80-85, you end up paying $1000 for the $700 phone.

[QUOTE=FordLord;46919912]Outdated? I'm going by what user's claim their plan's cost, as well as what providers claim their plans cost right this moment. For instance, T-Mobile's Unlimited plan is $80 a month, which is still $1000+ for a $700 phone. Verizon claims $75 per month for their highest (NOT unlimited) plan, with $15 per GB they go over. Assuming there are never overages in 2 years, that is still about $1000 for that phone. AT&T's website isn't the best to work with, but if I'm reading it right, a 3Gb plan costs $80 per month, 10Gb plan is $140, aka right in line with my estimates. They offer no unlimited plan, their highest plan is 100Gb for $415 a month. Sprint's Unlimited plan is $85 per month. US Cellular is $75 a month for 2Gb of data Contracts aren't expensive if you want minimal data, but at the moment I am talking about an Unlimited prepaid plan vs an Unlimited contract plan. That means that on the two providers that offer Unlimited plans at $80-85, you end up paying $1000 for the $700 phone.[/QUOTE] Of course they make some profit off of it. Otherwise they wouldn't do it. Its also going to depend on your carrier and like you said, how much data you need. For the 6 GB I get on Verizon, I'd have to pay nearly $85 monthly for their prepaid. I could probably get that cheaper elsewhere, but every other carrier has garbage service here so that's just my specific situation.

[QUOTE=.Lain;46919024]they definitely want to and can force 'shit like that'. it being open source (and what you get on nexus devices is not entirely open source) has nothing to do with them being competent enough to push out regular updates [editline]13th January 2015[/editline] sorry, but you're always paying too much for that heap of garbage. the nexus 5 was a good phone. the nexus 6 is not. at a flagship price it is worthless[/QUOTE] I don't think Nexus phones are 'heaps of garbage.' Prove they are, because everything I've read, and with my experience, says this is one of the best phones of 2014, and maybe even will be in 2015. [editline]13th January 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=.Lain;46919471]i'm fairly aware of how software development and release patterns work. i don't really see any point in continuing this discussion seeing as you jumped to call me a 'shitposter' after a single post it's definitely not hard to see when someone is rabidly defending an operating system of their choice when you come up with such vapid arguments and insults[/QUOTE] I'm not rabidly defending an OS. Google doesn't do what you think they are doing. APPLE does do it. Not Google.

"Company doesn't support outmoded software" big deal.

[QUOTE=FordLord;46919912]Outdated? I'm going by what user's claim their plan's cost, as well as what providers claim their plans cost right this moment. For instance, T-Mobile's Unlimited plan is $80 a month, which is still $1000+ for a $700 phone. Verizon claims $75 per month for their highest (NOT unlimited) plan, with $15 per GB they go over. Assuming there are never overages in 2 years, that is still about $1000 for that phone. AT&T's website isn't the best to work with, but if I'm reading it right, a 3Gb plan costs $80 per month, 10Gb plan is $140, aka right in line with my estimates. They offer no unlimited plan, their highest plan is 100Gb for $415 a month. Sprint's Unlimited plan is $85 per month. US Cellular is $75 a month for 2Gb of data Contracts aren't expensive if you want minimal data, but at the moment I am talking about an Unlimited prepaid plan vs an Unlimited contract plan. That means that on the two providers that offer Unlimited plans at $80-85, you end up paying $1000 for the $700 phone.[/QUOTE] You do realize very few prepaids actually have true unlimited data right? The ones that offer unlimited data start throttling it at 2gb. As far as plan cost goes: Sprint: Actually unlimited everything, $60/mo AT&T: $65/mo 1gb, $80/mo 3gb Verizon: $80/mo 1gb, $100/mo 3gb You also get way better service than prepaid, corporate discounts (I get 22% off my AT&T account for working at Home Depot, so my 2 line account is only $100/mo), and better customer service.

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Jesus piss, I still have a GT-i5510M with Android 2.2.2. [editline]smeg[/editline] [sp]bring back slide-out keyboards[/sp]

[QUOTE=MilkBagz;46924288]Jesus piss, I still have a GT-i5510M with Android 2.2.2.[/QUOTE] Dude you're rocking some old school shit. Upgrade

I don't see the problem, without dropping support for older versions of the OS how do you ever expect new features to be implemented into new versions if they keep having to devote a lot of time of R&D/support to out dated versions.

[QUOTE=agentfazexx;46924297]Dude you're rocking some old school shit. Upgrade[/QUOTE] For people who use phones for calling, why upgrade? Waste of money.

[QUOTE=itisjuly;46924345]For people who use phones for calling, why upgrade? Waste of money.[/QUOTE] Because it's 2015. If you want a dumb phone get a Blackberry

[QUOTE=agentfazexx;46924357]Because it's 2015. If you want a dumb phone get a Blackberry[/QUOTE] If the phone works and does all the functions a user needs, why upgrade? Phones ain't cheap.

[QUOTE=agentfazexx;46924357]Because it's 2015. If you want a dumb phone get a Blackberry[/QUOTE] Or how about use the phone you got if it does all you need?