Chinese air cleaning organisation threatens to stop incenirating gas - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Swebonny;33202986] China is one of the nation that invests the most in clean tech and in other environmental projects. [/QUOTE] China is terrible about being environmentally friendly. Incredibly backward. Lately they have been trying to be better cause their population is taking a toll, but really its still terrible.

[QUOTE=scotland1;33203178]Maybe I stuttered, I said important. As in capable of actually carrying out this bullshit.[/QUOTE] well I'd quote factory owners but they probably talk in chinese a lot The director of the organization in charge of clean energy in china said factories will stop incinerating gasses of the country doesn't get what it wants why is this not good enough for you

[QUOTE=Swebonny;33203142]Apologies accepted <33 I can't deny China's environment is quite fucked up. But that's also one of the reason they are spending that much on clean/renewable tech. Actually double the US budget in 2009. Which is also why I find Xin Jia (whatever his name was) statement really incredibly dumb. [url]http://green.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/03/29/china-leads-in-renewable-investments/[/url] Of course needs a lot lot more work before it can reach a, let's say Swedish standard. Perhaps 50-100 years?[/QUOTE] Also, you have to figure that just because they are investing in clean [B]energy[/B] doesn't mean Chinese business are actually going green. Even if the government of china went green, the difference would be negligible if businesses didn't follow along (IE: like this article) Not to mention that "investing" can also mean putting research into the manufacture of green tech. Green tech can be produced in dirty factories or in unsustainable ways, as much to today's "green" tech currently is. Investment means very little, actually.

[release][b]With a 65 per cent tax on CDM projects, the Chinese Government has already received $1.3 billion -- enough to destroy all the HFC-23 it produces for decades to come. Despite this, [highlight]China still vents at least as much HFC-23 as it destroys[/highlight][/b], since about half of its HCFC-22 production is ineligible for CDM funding. Xie Fei's statement makes it clear that preventing emissions is not nearly as important for China as continuing the enormous CDM revenues that benefit its government and industry alike. [/release] real clean

[QUOTE=Timebomb575;33203225]Also, you have to figure that just because they are investing in clean [B]energy[/B] doesn't mean Chinese business are actually going green. Even if the government of china went green, the difference would be negligible if businesses didn't follow along (IE: like this article)[/QUOTE] I understand your point. As of now we'll just have to wait and see if they'll make his statement into reality. It just seems counterproductive to me if they suddenly does that, because they'll be earning nothing.

[QUOTE=Zeke129;33203237][release][b]With a 65 per cent tax on CDM projects, the Chinese Government has already received $1.3 billion -- enough to destroy all the HFC-23 it produces for decades to come. Despite this, [highlight]China still vents at least as much HFC-23 as it destroys[/highlight][/b], since about half of its HCFC-22 production is ineligible for CDM funding. Xie Fei's statement makes it clear that preventing emissions is not nearly as important for China as continuing the enormous CDM revenues that benefit its government and industry alike. [/release] real clean[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=monkey11;33203053]Looked up the gas, and that stuff is a fuckin potent Green house gas. 11,700 times more potent (by mass) than CO2.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=monkey11;33203273][/QUOTE] im pretty sure he was joking when he said real clean

[QUOTE=Swebonny;33203269]I understand your point. As of now we'll just have to wait and see if they'll make his statement into reality. It just seems counterproductive to me if they suddenly does that, because they'll be earning nothing.[/QUOTE] You can bet your bottom dollar that they wont change an iota unless there is a profit incentive. We here in the states have the same problem, except we subsidize the use of green tech so people and businesses are more willing to adopt it even though there isn't any immediate profit incentive.

[QUOTE=Swebonny;33203269]I understand your point. As of now we'll just have to wait and see if they'll make his statement into reality. It just seems counterproductive to me if they suddenly does that, because they'll be earning nothing.[/QUOTE] They're not going to do it because the world is going to cave and give them what they want.

Uhhhh, China is really pushing his luck, if he does this I doubt he will have anyone to back him if it goes violent; Apart from the great leader Kim Jong Ill.

Why are they doing this? Greedy pieces of shit.

[QUOTE=Timebomb575;33203225]Also, you have to figure that just because they are investing in clean [B]energy[/B] doesn't mean Chinese business are actually going green. Even if the government of china went green, the difference would be negligible if businesses didn't follow along (IE: like this article) [/QUOTE] Actually, this won't be the case. If the Communist party (which is far and above the government & laws of China), decided to go green, every major company in China would be forced to follow suit or fear takeover any means neccessary.

Everyone who thinks that WE are not royally destroying the environment for money is a hypocrite. Check out the massive pile of garbage lining up in the norther coast of Africa, hauled there by western corporations for scavengers to fight over because dumping it there is cheap and easy. There was this one old guy in a document who told the journalists about the boat trips they made on the nice river near the coast. Now all that is left of the river is a massive pile of garbage and mud clogging it up. This is aimed towards almost everyone on the first page of this thread. The people like you, who can't see past your own perfectness are really the blight of the earth. Someone has to be blamed for the imminent destruction of earth, might as well be the communists! We know they're evil right!? Just as long as the thought that everyone is responsible wont cross my mind.

[QUOTE=Zeke129;33203079]Yeah, China is so clean. That's why [url=http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/11/08/tenth_chinese_farmland_polluted/]10% of their farmland is polluted with heavy metals,[/url] [url=http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/26/world/asia/26china.html?pagewanted=all]500 million people don't have access to clean drinking water, and only 1% of the population in cities has access to air deemed safe[/url]. My apologies for assuming you were the one who fucked with the thread title though.[/QUOTE] It's still cleaner than detroit.

Gotta say... seems like China is really feeling the edges of how far it can go with the demands. They seem to have the impression that should they stop working for the western world, it will all collapse. As if they're the ultimate factor in global economy... and I don't like it. >.>

nevermind.

[QUOTE=Santz;33203391]Uhhhh, China is really pushing his luck, if he does this I doubt he will have anyone to back him if it goes violent; Apart from the great leader Kim Jong Ill.[/QUOTE] I'm pretty sure china and mr jong il don't get along too well any more

[QUOTE=Kopimi;33203289]im pretty sure he was joking when he said real clean[/QUOTE] No shit he was joking, im just showing how messed up it is that China is releasing HFC-23 into the atmosphere.

[QUOTE=Garik;33202023]No need to get butthurt over your small asian dicks China. We're all just friends here. [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Racism. Way to prove the point that FP consists of sinophobes." - Swebonny))[/highlight][/QUOTE] I, as a Chinese, approves of this message.

[QUOTE=BloodFox1222;33201841]World war 3. I can feel it.[/QUOTE] China better get in line. Iran has already got that booked.

[QUOTE=Swebonny;33202348]Am I correct. Certain companies are profiting from creating and destroying(wtf) the gas. But the World wants to ban the gas. So the companies threaten to release it? [editline]9th November 2011[/editline] What's even more weird is that the person saying this thing is working at China Clean Development Mechanism Fund. AKA an organisation that works to clean the air.[/QUOTE] I think its a by-product of creating HFC-22

[QUOTE=CommanderPT;33205165]China better get in line. Iran has already got that booked.[/QUOTE] Iran would be about as much of a challenge as Iraq was, if not easier considering they have less troops.

[QUOTE=Ignhelper;33205063]I, as a Chinese, approves of this message.[/QUOTE] That's why I reduced the ban ;)

[QUOTE=Swebonny;33205321]That's why I reduced the ban ;)[/QUOTE] why does your ban imply that facepunch is entirely sinophobic when you banned [url=http://www.facepunch.com/threads/1138829?p=33185916&viewfull=1#post33185916]this guy[/url] you didn't note that he's proving a point about facepunch being islamophobic you've been rabid this entire thread, what's up I feel as though I've offended you by making it

This is possibly the most hilarious thing I've read all week! "We refuse to ban anything, and if you don't pay us, we'll possibly kill thousands of our own citizens by poisoning the air above our own country!" Do they even realize how idiotic that is? :v:

[QUOTE=Hans-Gunther 3.;33202000]I'm for building giant self-supplying air bubbles with a population of 500k and letting China strangle themselves in one of the most spectacular ways possible Really now, fuck China[/QUOTE] Better: build one around China then mock them from the outside as the die, then die faster when they trie to nuke their way out.

[QUOTE=Zeke129;33205794]why does your ban imply that facepunch is entirely sinophobic when you banned [url=http://www.facepunch.com/threads/1138829?p=33185916&viewfull=1#post33185916]this guy[/url] you didn't note that he's proving a point about facepunch being islamophobic you've been rabid this entire thread, what's up I feel as though I've offended you by making it[/QUOTE] Swebonny always whiteknights China in ITN threads

[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;33201863]Not much because they're more dependent on us than we are on them. If the U.S. ever decided to cut off trade with China, we'd cripple their economy pretty much permanently. We'd take a hit too, but we could recover from it and come back stronger. China, not so much. Also, a large portion of the debt is owed back to the American populous. China has a decent sized stake in the debt, but so do many other nations and financial institutions. [editline]9th November 2011[/editline] Once in a million years, those ideas do work. But not that one probably.[/QUOTE] China also ships to the rest of the world, they would be fine without the USA doing trade. Both sides need to recover, but both sides can recover

[QUOTE=Timebomb575;33209388]Swebonny always whiteknights China in ITN threads[/QUOTE]The term you're looking for is whitewash actually.

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