GamerGate journalism panel disrupted by bomb threat
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[QUOTE=.Isak.;48471730]i hate gawker and i'm not defending them
it's just futile, they're an internet tabloid
if you sue a tabloid that says "CHRIS BROWN having SEX with RYAN GOSLING?" you'll lose and they'll just reform the company to recoup legal expanses and they'll be fine
it's honestly pointless, tabloids will be able to just reform and recoup losses infinitely, that's how their business works - paper-thin profit margins and a company profile so thin that they can literally disintegrate and recreate a new company the moment they're sued.[/QUOTE]
Gawker is facing a serious lawsuit that they can't just wiggle out of
[QUOTE=.Isak.;48471730]i hate gawker and i'm not defending them
it's just futile, they're an internet tabloid
if you sue a tabloid that says "CHRIS BROWN having SEX with RYAN GOSLING?" you'll lose and they'll just reform the company to recoup legal expanses and they'll be fine
it's honestly pointless, tabloids will be able to just reform and recoup losses infinitely, that's how their business works - paper-thin profit margins and a company profile so thin that they can literally disintegrate and recreate a new company the moment they're sued.[/QUOTE]
i should've quoted spessmehreen as i was responding to him.
i guess the way i see it, emailing their ad suppliers costs us nothing and them most of their revenue. yeah, they can dissolve then reform but people are watching like hawks and prepared to do the same thing over again. it is probably an exercise in sisyphus style but hey, you can't say we didn't try.
i personally don't give a fuck how gawker/kotaku/whatever review games or what perspective they review it from, as long as no money or favors trade hands and as long as they aren't straight up lying
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;48471748]Gawker is facing a serious lawsuit that they can't just wiggle out of[/QUOTE]
100% unrelated to anything tied to gamergate lol
good, they're a shit site, but the [i]people working at gawker[/i] will still have jobs at other game journalism sites and they'll still do the exact same thing everyone's complaining about
killing a company doesn't push all the employees out of the industry permanently, they've networked and they'll just get new jobs
[QUOTE=.Isak.;48471551]i'm all for greater journalistic integrity
but if you don't like how a website does reporting, stop using it
if you don't like gawker/rps/polygon/etc, just don't go to them for reviews
watch totalbiscuit and superbunnyhop and whoever else you view as a trustworthy reviewer instead[/QUOTE]
That should kinda go without saying. Gamergate is about educating people into making the right choices.
[url]http://deepfreeze.it/[/url]
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;48471775]That should kinda go without saying. Gamergate is about educating people into making the right choices.
[url]http://deepfreeze.it/[/url][/QUOTE]
that, and to get people to stop going to those clickbaity articles so they can get less money and get their shit together
"Pointless to stop a tabloid like gawker" is not exactly the same point as "pointless to stop bad journalists", although they are both not pointless and in our case the procedure is largely the same.
There is a point to protesting gawker because we spread awareness of their misdeeds and hopefully less people buy in to whatever stories theyre making up.
We also know who the journalists are that write this crap, in part thanks to the documentation efforts of deep freeze. We can always call attention to problems if they continue to lie or push their opinions as fact. Basically the same thing applies and we virtually boycott them.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;48471702]Bayonetta was also lambasted by some games writers as being oppresive trash peddled by men.
I don't read that shit but other people do and other people take that shit at face value.
Cool, lets live in your world, where we embrace that misinformation and never seek to fix it because "Lol who cares games journalisms a joke"[/QUOTE]
How is someone's opinion on a game's message misinformation? If you want to say that, can't you say literally every game review ever is misinformation? Or do you think it's only misinformation when it says something about social justice issues you disagree with?
[QUOTE=SPESSMEHREN;48471830]How is someone's opinion on a game's message misinformation? If you want to say that, can't you say literally every game review ever is misinformation?[/QUOTE]
So if I said "minions is an analogy for fascism" you'd be obligated to acknowledge that as information of some merit?
No?
Opinions aren't impervious to criticism
[QUOTE=SPESSMEHREN;48471830]Or do you think it's only misinformation when it says something about social justice issues you disagree with?[/QUOTE]
Games are art, and if you want to talk about the artistic implications you personally feel from something, go for it
but don't act like it's anything more than your subjective interpretation of it.
And I stand by that for things people say both that I agree or disagree with. I stand by it.
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[QUOTE=.Isak.;48471771]100% unrelated to anything tied to gamergate lol
good, they're a shit site, but the [i]people working at gawker[/i] will still have jobs at other game journalism sites and they'll still do the exact same thing everyone's complaining about
killing a company doesn't push all the employees out of the industry permanently, they've networked and they'll just get new jobs[/QUOTE]
And we can easily remember their names.
how many times do we have to hear "i don't care about gamergate anymore because xyz"
lol ok then just don't post
[editline]16th August 2015[/editline]
just an additional point, has anyone noticed how biased rationalwiki is
I love how we went from discussing a "credible" bomb threat for SPJ to discussing why people care about gamergate.
There's a thread for this shit in general discussions. No matter who you are, what you believe in, this kind of behavior (threatening lives) over video games and journalistic ethics is completely unacceptable.
[QUOTE=SPESSMEHREN;48471614]Report to whom? The journalism ethics police?
If you don't like what a website has to say, it's your choice to stop using it, but they are entitled to the freedom of the press just like every other publication operating in the US.[/QUOTE]
To other consumers and advertisers. Like we have been doing. How is anyone even supposed to know that there are ethics breaches occuring if we dont have sites like deepfreeze and consumer outrage. People can't leave if they dont even know about the thing they dont like occuring.
This is one of the biggest disconnects i always see in your arguments, you always defend the absolute "freedom of the press" as if we were somehow infringing on it, but at the same time you'd rather we didnt disseminate our own information. Just because we're not published game journalists?
[QUOTE=Solo Wing;48471893]I love how we went from discussing a "credible" bomb threat for SPJ to discussing why people care about gamergate.
There's a thread for this shit in general discussions. No matter who you are, what you believe in, this kind of behavior (threatening lives) over video games and journalistic ethics is completely unacceptable.[/QUOTE]
You can end the quote at "this kind of behavior", period, doesnt matter if its video games or abortion clinics, its absolutely unacceptable.
Theres nobody in these forums who defends bomb threats being issues in this discussion, anyway.
[QUOTE=Solo Wing;48471893]I love how we went from discussing a "credible" bomb threat for SPJ to discussing why people care about gamergate.
There's a thread for this shit in general discussions. No matter who you are, what you believe in, this kind of behavior (threatening lives) over video games and journalistic ethics is completely unacceptable.[/QUOTE]
But how will people know I don't care about a thing?
[QUOTE=Hamsteronfire;48471858][...]
just an additional point, has anyone noticed how biased rationalwiki is[/QUOTE]
The main editor of that "article" was banned from Wikipedia for, iirc, obsessively edit-warring the Gamergate Controversy page, then later demodded at Rationalwiki for similar behaviour.
Calling it an opinion piece would likely be too favourable at this point.
Honestly, I think one of the greatest things to come out of this has been the realization that the media still controls information, even with the invention of the internet. There's quite a few idealists around me who went something to the tune of "Oh, the media has no control over us. We have the internet now.", which is absolutely not true. Sure it's impact may have been lessened slightly (Or how could GG exist?) but for the most part media-sources still have control.
[QUOTE=SPESSMEHREN;48471614]Report to whom? The journalism ethics police?
If you don't like what a website has to say, it's your choice to stop using it, but they are entitled to the freedom of the press just like every other publication operating in the US.
[/QUOTE]
Actually SPJ, or any of the Journalist Magazines directed toward journalists who run exposes on ethical violations that are egregiously bad.
Also, you can actually get into legal trouble for violating ethics. Editors can also basically be denounced by Journalistic hearings for violating ethical standards and that's a blackmark that follows your career.
Any source of news worth their salt would not touch a journalist who has been found to violate ethical standards.
[QUOTE=SPESSMEHREN;48471614]Report to whom? The journalism ethics police?
If you don't like what a website has to say, it's your choice to stop using it, but they are entitled to the freedom of the press just like every other publication operating in the US..[/QUOTE]
"Why are you making people aware of political corruption? If you don't like a bad politician just don't vote for them".
I really don't see what you're getting at.
I love how the idiots at Neogaf are blaming GG for doing this.
Because Gamergate would bomb and swat themselves right?
[editline]16th August 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=asteroidrules;48469450]I
"That Guy" had already been posting insults directed at Harper over Twitter[/QUOTE]
Who gives a shit about insults? It's the internet, people insult each other.
[QUOTE=Metist;48472195]I love how the idiots at Neogaf are blaming GG for doing this.
Because Gamergate would bomb and swat themselves right?
[editline]16th August 2015[/editline]
Who gives a shit about insults? It's the internet, people insult each other.[/QUOTE]
[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_flag[/url]
[QUOTE=SPESSMEHREN;48472475][url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_flag[/url][/QUOTE]
Wow that's a beautifully substantiated and well thought out post that you'd no doubt berate, belittle and insult everyone here for if it was made in the opposite direction by someone who opposed you on this issue
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;48470879]But Gawker isn't gaming media so that doesn't count?
That's like complaining that you want quality service from food trucks and then you bash McDonald's.[/QUOTE]
Gawker Media owns Kotaku, which is an absolute rag of a gaming site, and almost everywhere synonymous with absolutely horrid clickbait articles about games.
According to Deepfreeze.it, Kotaku in itself is the site that has committed the most ethical breaches of all gaming journalist sites, with 56 ethical breaches over a number of 20 current and former employees.
Most of it is about cronyism, wherein the author failed to disclaim that he or she had a personal relation with whoever they were covering.
[url]http://deepfreeze.it/outlet.php?o=kotaku[/url]
[QUOTE=Jordax;48472492]Gawker Media owns Kotaku, which is an absolute rag of a gaming site, and almost everywhere synonymous with absolutely horrid clickbait articles about games.
According to Deepfreeze.it, Kotaku in itself is the site that has committed the most ethical breaches of all gaming journalist sites, with 56 ethical breaches over a number of 20 current and former employees.
Most of it is about cronyism, wherein the author failed to disclaim that he or she had a personal relation with whoever they were covering.
[url]http://deepfreeze.it/outlet.php?o=kotaku[/url][/QUOTE]
How many of those "personal relationships" were actual [i]relationships[/i] and not just being in the same room at an industry event or retweeting one of their tweets?
When anita was supposed to speak she also got bomb threats, but to GGers that was a conspiracy to frame the GGers!!!! And when it happens to GGers it suddenly gets pinned on the "PC police"? Gimme a break
[QUOTE=MisterMooth;48470651]ethics in gaming journalism is truly the defining issue of our time. i tip my hat to the brave defenders of freedom who dedicate their lives to this cause :')
[highlight](User was banned for this post ("Shitpost" - Craptasket))[/highlight][/QUOTE]
Don't act like going after Gawker Media wasn't worthwhile. Even the opposition supports that.
[QUOTE=CrucialSeBBi;48472551]When anita was supposed to speak she also got bomb threats, but to GGers that was a conspiracy to frame the GGers!!!! And when it happens to GGers it suddenly gets pinned on the "PC police"? Gimme a break[/QUOTE]
Anita's threat was said to be not credible by the school she was going to speak at, as well as the local and state police. She then didn't show because she wanted the school to violate the 2nd Amendment by confiscating any CCW.
As for this one, no one is pinning anything on anyone yet, but because of prior evidence, people are leaning towards the idea that it was someone who doesn't agree with Pro-GG people.
[QUOTE=SPESSMEHREN;48472511]How many of those "personal relationships" were actual [i]relationships[/i] and not just being in the same room at an industry event or retweeting one of their tweets?[/QUOTE]
Most of them are, actually. In most cases it concerns the author being personal friends or roommates or even former colleagues of the discussed person in their article without disclaiming it.
Other of those ethical breaches involved the author even financially backing the discussed person on Patreon without putting up a disclaimer in the article, which needless to say, isn't ethical at all.
Although I wonder, did you read it for yourself though?
[QUOTE=SPESSMEHREN;48472511]How many of those "personal relationships" were actual [i]relationships[/i] and not just being in the same room at an industry event or retweeting one of their tweets?[/QUOTE]
I understand that it's difficult to cover this industry's game development scene without becoming friends with people you spend time covering, but what I don't understand is the inability to recuse themselves from a particular article or disclose "this was my roommate".
If you have to ask yourself "is it unethical", it probably is and you need to disclose at the very least.
[QUOTE=Mattk50;48471913]To other consumers and advertisers. Like we have been doing. How is anyone even supposed to know that there are ethics breaches occuring if we dont have sites like deepfreeze and consumer outrage. People can't leave if they dont even know about the thing they dont like occuring.
This is one of the biggest disconnects i always see in your arguments, you always defend the absolute "freedom of the press" as if we were somehow infringing on it, but at the same time you'd rather we didnt disseminate our own information. Just because we're not published game journalists?
You can end the quote at "this kind of behavior", period, doesnt matter if its video games or abortion clinics, its absolutely unacceptable.
Theres nobody in these forums who defends bomb threats being issues in this discussion, anyway.[/QUOTE]
Fair enough. It really should go without saying that it's a dispicable trail of thought, regardless of thoughts or beliefs.
[QUOTE=SPESSMEHREN;48472475][url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_flag[/url][/QUOTE]
Oh right. I forgot only bomb threats aimed at women are legitimate to you.
[QUOTE=SPESSMEHREN;48472475][url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_flag[/url][/QUOTE]
Could be rabid anti-GG or trolls looking for laughs. It could also be a false flag but why organize and pay for something just to do that? Mind you that GG and aGG aren't structured organizations.
It's just amusing how the roles keep turning and aGG has shown once again they can't stand by their own standards
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