New Obama slogan has long ties to Marxism, socialism
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[QUOTE=Nikota;35777972]You see. The color red is rooted in socialism. It's why Hitler used it as a background when designing the Nazi parties flag. Therefore, we can assume that the united states is..about half socialistic.[/QUOTE]
But the Democratic Party is colored blue
[QUOTE=Boba_Fett;35777959]especially in one that has continuously failed the people.[/QUOTE]I suppose it is pretty hard to complete a race if the other runners go out of their way to continuously trip you up.
[QUOTE=Boba_Fett;35777959]I don't like socialism because, quite frankly, I don't trust the government. Concentrating too much power in a single overarching institution seems like a risky thing to do, especially in one that has continuously failed the people.
That being said, while I personally don't agree with socialism, I suppose I can see why someone with a different outlook might support it.[/QUOTE]
mixed market economy is best.
[QUOTE=-Chief-;35777906]Guys, guys, the American educational system has ties to Marxism!
The Communist Manifesto:
"Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children's factory labour in its present form and combination of education with industrial production."
[b]Ban all public schools now.[/b][/QUOTE]
FTFY and now it's actually accurate to what Right Wingers legitimately want.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;35777991]But the Democratic Party is colored blue[/QUOTE]
You see. That's why the Republicans talk nasty about this evil 'European Socialism'. The EU flag is about the same shade of blue after all.
I guess we'll call it a draw.
[editline]1st May 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;35778001]I suppose it is pretty hard to complete a race if the other runners go out of their way to continuously trip you up.[/QUOTE]
It's better to preserve those articles for a later date, than to do a reddit and blast the fuck out of it for two weeks straight and make it unfunny.
I'll be busy in October.
The main reason I'm voting for Obama, regardless of how I dislike both (or all) candidates, is because I don't want my tuition to spike up.
Shit just gets out of hand, man.
[QUOTE=TheFishyG;35777211]I love the Fox comments.
[quote=goodbyeobama]
Personally, I want every Republican governor to call out the National Guard and send them to the polling stations on November 6th.
Otherwise, you will not have an honest election and the unions, OWS and the liberal left will try and take control of the voting proces[/quote][/QUOTE]
Those damn liberals!; Taking control of the voting process by voting!
[QUOTE=GhostSonic;35778092]Those damn liberals!; Taking control of the voting process by voting![/QUOTE]
I fucking love their dumb ass, brain dead logic.
LIBERALS ARE TEARING APART OUR DEMOCRACY! SO LETS PULL A BROWN AND BLACK SHIRT ESQ RAID TO STOP THEM FROM VOTING DEMOCRATICALLY!
[QUOTE=Nikota;35777917]I think I got a 3 day for using fox nation or addictinginfo in one of their famous "Bash the other party and put it in the middle of the news" articles.[/QUOTE]
It was only 12 hours. Your event logs right there.
[QUOTE=Hidole555;35778126]It was only 12 hours. Your event logs right there.[/QUOTE]
Was 3 days at first. Got it reduced.
[QUOTE=Zeraxify;35777716]why does everyone in the states think that socialism is an evil thing? i got that they don't like it at all, but is there a concrete reason behind it?[/QUOTE]
It's not just that, it's that they think Obama is a socialist when really he's too conservative for my tastes.
The best part about this? Now you can spin this around and say that Fox News thinks that communism is the way forward. Obama didn't mention communism, the democratic party didn't mention communism, [I]nobody[/I] mentioned communism, but as soon as the word "forward" showed up, Fox News immediately claims that it means he's communist, since 'the word forward, in political terms, means communism'. [I]They're[/I] the ones claiming that that moving forward politically means you're communist.
And before you blame me for twisting their words: I'm just doing the same thing they're doing, back at them. "Treat others how you would wish to be treated" and all that jazz.
I did not know that I lived in a Communist state
Wisconsin State Motto
[URL="http://www.netstate.com/states/mottoes/wi_motto.htm"]Forward[/URL]
[QUOTE=Zeraxify;35777716]why does everyone in the states think that socialism is an evil thing? i got that they don't like it at all, but is there a concrete reason behind it?[/QUOTE]
Most people confuse it with communism and simply say "Well it's a great idea in theory, but it has failed all throughout history."
Or they have been taught that it's a bad thing. They don't need a concrete reason.
QUICK! WE MUST BURN ALL BOOKS WITH THE WORD FORWARD IN IT! IF WE DON'T AMERICA WILL BECOME COMMUNIST!
Well, common.
He's a PROGRESSive.
Progress. Moving forward.
I'm sure the forward thing was coincidental, though. Now, if it was, like "The Spark" or something, that's convince me.
[QUOTE=SPESSMEHREN;35777303]Sure, as soon as we declare AlterNet, AddictingInfo, RawStory, HuffPo, and to a lesser extent MSNBC as "non news sources"[/QUOTE]
and ThinkProgress
[QUOTE=Boba_Fett;35777959]I don't like socialism because, quite frankly, I don't trust the government..[/QUOTE]
Well, there in is the problem. We've gotten a mentality where we can't think of socialism beyond our present mentality with the way government operates currently. It's always a matter of 'big government' when it comes to socialism when it's not really that simple. The French government under De Gaulle had a large state presence (Dirigisme) and a major principle was anti-socialist position. Really what Americans generally think of as "socialism" is more accurately social democracy in its heyday, and while they originate from the socialist experience they aren't as radical as other strands.
Ultimate problem is we've gotten to the state where people have is throwing around this term so carelessly, as are other buzzwords like "big _______" that are devoid of any serious political meaning.
Anyways, if these commentators want to see historical link of socialism to the American political landscape, they need to look within the Republican Party. In its early years the Republican Party had among its founders radical German 48ers who adhered to socialist thought and fought against slavery. Within the Union army in the Civil War, two German 48ers, [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/August_Willich]August Willich[/url] and [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Weydemeyer]Joseph Weydemeyer[/url], were committed Communists while supporting the Republican Party in the US. There are some other union officers who were like this too, but those are the two I remember off the top my head.
Hell, Karl Marx even congratulated Lincoln for his re-election in 1864 on behalf of the International Workingmen's Association.
[url]http://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/iwma/documents/1864/lincoln-letter.htm[/url]
[quote]Sir:
We congratulate the American people upon your re-election by a large majority. If resistance to the Slave Power was the reserved watchword of your first election, the triumphant war cry of your re-election is Death to Slavery.
From the commencement of the titanic American strife the workingmen of Europe felt instinctively that the star-spangled banner carried the destiny of their class. The contest for the territories which opened the dire epopee, was it not to decide whether the virgin soil of immense tracts should be wedded to the labor of the emigrant or prostituted by the tramp of the slave driver?
When an oligarchy of 300,000 slaveholders dared to inscribe, for the first time in the annals of the world, "slavery" on the banner of Armed Revolt, when on the very spots where hardly a century ago the idea of one great Democratic Republic had first sprung up, whence the first Declaration of the Rights of Man was issued, and the first impulse given to the European revolution of the eighteenth century; when on those very spots counterrevolution, with systematic thoroughness, gloried in rescinding "the ideas entertained at the time of the formation of the old constitution", and maintained slavery to be "a beneficent institution", indeed, the old solution of the great problem of "the relation of capital to labor", and cynically proclaimed property in man "the cornerstone of the new edifice" — then the working classes of Europe understood at once, even before the fanatic partisanship of the upper classes for the Confederate gentry had given its dismal warning, that the slaveholders' rebellion was to sound the tocsin for a general holy crusade of property against labor, and that for the men of labor, with their hopes for the future, even their past conquests were at stake in that tremendous conflict on the other side of the Atlantic. Everywhere they bore therefore patiently the hardships imposed upon them by the cotton crisis, opposed enthusiastically the proslavery intervention of their betters — and, from most parts of Europe, contributed their quota of blood to the good cause.
While the workingmen, the true political powers of the North, allowed slavery to defile their own republic, while before the Negro, mastered and sold without his concurrence, they boasted it the highest prerogative of the white-skinned laborer to sell himself and choose his own master, they were unable to attain the true freedom of labor, or to support their European brethren in their struggle for emancipation; but this barrier to progress has been swept off by the red sea of civil war.
The workingmen of Europe feel sure that, as the American War of Independence initiated a new era of ascendancy for the middle class, so the American Antislavery War will do for the working classes. They consider it an earnest of the epoch to come that it fell to the lot of Abraham Lincoln, the single-minded son of the working class, to lead his country through the matchless struggle for the rescue of an enchained race and the reconstruction of a social world.
Signed on behalf of the International Workingmen's Association, the Central Council:
Longmaid, Worley, Whitlock, Fox, Blackmore, Hartwell, Pidgeon, Lucraft, Weston, Dell, Nieass, Shaw, Lake, Buckley, Osbourne, Howell, Carter, Wheeler, Stainsby, Morgan, Grossmith, Dick, Denoual, Jourdain, Morrissot, Leroux, Bordage, Bocquet, Talandier, Dupont, L.Wolff, Aldovrandi, Lama, Solustri, Nusperli, Eccarius, Wolff, Lessner, Pfander, Lochner, Kaub, Bolleter, Rybczinski, Hansen, Schantzenbach, Smales, Cornelius, Petersen, Otto, Bagnagatti, Setacci;
George Odger, President of the Council; P.V. Lubez, Corresponding Secretary for France; Karl Marx, Corresponding Secretary for Germany; G.P. Fontana, Corresponding Secretary for Italy; J.E. Holtorp, Corresponding Secretary for Poland; H.F. Jung, Corresponding Secretary for Switzerland; William R. Cremer, Honorary General Secretary. [/quote]
Ergo, the Republicans are secretly working with the Communists if we are to take the way people jump at these associations.
Oh and the pledge of allegiance was written by a self-described "Christian Socialist" lol. So all of you've been brainwashed.
[QUOTE=-Chief-;35777906]Guys, guys, the American educational system has ties to Marxism!
The Communist Manifesto:
"Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children's factory labour in its present form and combination of education with industrial production."
Ban all schools now.[/QUOTE]
Not just that, another German 48er,[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolph_Douai]Joseph Douai[/url], who happened to be a communist was one of the pioneers of Kindergarten education here. So this brainwashing starts at Kindergarten too.
I usually make a left at the light on the way home, but today I decided to take a detour, so I went Marxist instead.
hey guys I found out the word 'up' was used once in a nazi speech therefore it must mean that word is communist, socialist, and the devil!
[sp]oh god my brain hurts right now why are people so stupid aaaghh[/sp]
[QUOTE=Nikota;35777838]I posted like twenty articles that one week, just because I was seeing if he would deliver on his bitching about it in every thread I made. Man, did it work.[/QUOTE]
You got yourself banned just to give me something to bitch about?
*Sniff* I'm so touched! :v:
A whole 12 hours! I slept for an evening and went back to my shenanigans!
[QUOTE=SPESSMEHREN;35777303]Sure, as soon as we declare AlterNet, AddictingInfo, RawStory, HuffPo, and to a lesser extent MSNBC as "non news sources"[/QUOTE]
Uh Huffington Post and MSNBC are definitely legitimate news sources.
marxists haven't copyrighted directions, have they?
[editline]30th April 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=Zeraxify;35777716]why does everyone in the states think that socialism is an evil thing? i got that they don't like it at all, but is there a concrete reason behind it?[/QUOTE]
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Scare[/url]
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cold_War[/url]
vietnam was pretty much fought on the premise of socialism being evil.
[QUOTE='[Seed Eater];35778543']Well, common.
He's a PROGRESSive.
Progress. Moving forward.
[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=MBB;35778580]and ThinkProgress[/QUOTE]
My god...
Better start driving to work in reverse so we don't look like commies.
You Americans should be put in a room with The Communist Manifesto.
[QUOTE=Boba_Fett;35777959]I don't like socialism because, quite frankly, I don't trust the government. Concentrating too much power in a single overarching institution seems like a risky thing to do, especially in one that has continuously failed the people.
That being said, while I personally don't agree with socialism, I suppose I can see why someone with a different outlook might support it.[/QUOTE]
So you vote republican because you trust them enough to dictate what people do in their own bedrooms.
[QUOTE=Boba_Fett;35777959]I don't like socialism because, quite frankly, I don't trust the government. Concentrating too much power in a single overarching institution seems like a risky thing to do, especially in one that has continuously failed the people.
[/QUOTE]
well obviously you'd also be against democracy or else you'd appear to be a hypocrite.
when is fox ever a good source
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