• Man kidnaps woman, tortures and rapes her over over 6 weeks, only gets 13 years non-parole
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[QUOTE=BuffaloBill;48046873]Ok as much as I despise rapists and murderers, I think you should stop and rethink a little. Sometimes circumstances force them/cause them to be unable to control their actions/otherwise exonerate them up to a certain extent. Especially in the case of rape those are few and far between, but they do exist.[/QUOTE] I didn't know Ole' Zoney guy had 2 accounts.
-nevermind that was too gross-
Australia is way too fucking lenient with their prison sentencing. What he did deserves life in prison. I don't give a shit if he's mentally unstable. He shouldn't be allowed to walk around freely. Why should we give him the benefit of the doubt? He's done nothing to show he deserves it.
[QUOTE=GunFox;48046710]I work with rapists, murderers, and violent offenders every day. The vast majority of them are people who fucked up, know they fucked up, and are trying to do better. I see these people. I talk with them. I meet their families. I watch them help their kids with homework. You would see these people dead. For what?[/QUOTE] And do you work with their victims and their families which often get destroyed because of the events like this? [QUOTE=GunFox;48046710]You would see these people dead. For what?[/QUOTE] Oh gee, I don't know, maybe because they fucking raped someone?? If they committed a rape, not a single rehabilitation in this world would make them be safe in our society. It's fucking incredible how we reached point in time where rapists and criminals in general are given more rights and care than their actual victims. But then again it might be this forum since if you post anything that is least one microinch righter from Gandhi you get bandwagon'd. [QUOTE=Zonesylvania;48046862] But we're staring at a slippery slope here as far as death goes. Who decides who's fit to live, and who to die, and by what standard? Even one innocent life lost as a result of carelessness or misfortune is a failure on the part of the justice system in two ways - an innocent is punished for a crime they never committed and the guilty party goes off often scot free.[/QUOTE] He literally raped her for 6 weeks, and yes you're going for slippery slope considering there is irrefutable evidence in the play that he did commit these acts, so you should really drop "but what if we're wrong" thing by now. And going by your logic that means that I now would be able to go out and literally rape and murder people and basically get away with it by just being in prison or even better be "rehabilitated" even tho I went to do that completely willingly.
[QUOTE=Blue Meanie;48047103]I know this is gonna get dumbed as always, but I'm too mad now to care. I would force this sick fuck to sit down on a toilet filled to the brim with acid, after that i would shove him head first in. I hope he gets tortured and raped in prison, I hope his death is long and painful. Please let their be Eternal Hell for sick motherfuckers like this. The fact is this; he could have gotten help for his sick sexual thoughts but he didn't, so it is one-hundred percent his fault. No one goes around thinking something like this is ok. Even if he didn't know it's wrong, it doesn't matter. All that I said still goes. (there is no fucking way he didn't know it was wrong)[/QUOTE] congratulations on posting your weird revenge fantasy
[QUOTE=Spirit_Breaker;48046389]Ok, and should that excuse him for destroying someone else's life? Can anyone seriously tell me that they honestly think this guy can be rehabilitated (or even deserves to have a shot at it) in our society?[/QUOTE] Where do you gain your authority? Are you a psychologist? Crime analyst? Rehabilitation? Can you give me any explanation on why you think he can't be rehabilitated? You say he destroyed that woman's life and because of that you want to destroy his, what kind of person does that make you? You don't know whats wrong with this man and you don't know what he'll do after 20 years. Just playing some devils advocate.
[QUOTE=Baazul;48046120]Depends to me on how good a country is in making prisoners being able to function in a normal life. That guy has clearly mental issues, so that should be worked on. But if they are going to throw him out into society without having him treated, then 13 years is really not enough.[/QUOTE] If 13 years aren't enough I don't see what would make 20 or 30 years enough, it's just arbitrary at that point. Might as well lock him up for life. Really if he can't get rehabilitated and get his mental issues sorted out he should never be released.
[QUOTE=Skerion;48046102]13 years seems like a pretty long time regardless of how heinous the crime was, though. Not sure why you're treating it as something as lax as community service or a fine.[/QUOTE] If it was one rape I wouldn't disagree with you, but there's several aggravants in this case.
He's a rapist. He'll probably get murdered by someone else in jail in his first week.
[QUOTE=Skerion;48046102]13 years seems like a pretty long time regardless of how heinous the crime was, though. Not sure why you're treating it as something as lax as community service or a fine.[/QUOTE] uh dude he literally abducted a tourist and held her captive for a month and a half, repeatedly raping and beating her this is irredeemably bad there's just no justice in a case like this. The crime already happened, and any fitting or proportional punishment would be grossly inhumane. He should be permanently committed to an asylum.
[QUOTE=Skerion;48046102]13 years seems like a pretty long time regardless of how heinous the crime was, though. Not sure why you're treating it as something as lax as community service or a fine.[/QUOTE] Life in solitary sounds better for him.
13 years without parole is a lot of time, he'll be at least 60 when he comes out and he'll be flat broke for the rest of his life. I'm more worried about the fact he'll likely get subpar attention regarding his mental health than about the length of the sentence.
So why are people saying he got 13 years? He got 17, thirteen of which are non parole. Those other 4 don't have a guaranteed parole.
[QUOTE=RIPBILLYMAYS;48046173]Execute them legally anyway. Morally I lean more towards the death penalty than life in prison but honestly the legal process makes it far more costly than life. In which case, what's the point? What do we do with them? Slave labor? Mutilation? None of these would be deemed legal and few others are even practical enough to benefit society. There's honestly no real solution to deal with these kinds of criminals.[/QUOTE] They should castrate pedophiles though. [editline]26th June 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=wraithcat;48060561]So why are people saying he got 13 years? He got 17, thirteen of which are non parole. Those other 4 don't have a guaranteed parole.[/QUOTE] Seventeen is much more reasonable then thirteen years that's four sure.
[QUOTE=coldroll5;48060748]They should castrate pedophiles though.[/QUOTE] Pretty hard to undue that if they're innocent. Assuming you mean child molesters.
[QUOTE=Ganerumo;48048767]13 years without parole is a lot of time, he'll be at least 60 when he comes out and he'll be flat broke for the rest of his life. I'm more worried about the fact he'll likely get subpar attention regarding his mental health than about the length of the sentence.[/QUOTE] Mental health treatment defintley needs to be improved, but what if he fakes being rehabilitated then get's out and does the same thing all over again? [editline]26th June 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Rangergxi;48060778]Pretty hard to undue that if they're innocent. Assuming you mean child molesters.[/QUOTE] I meant in cases that have actual evidence that they did it.
[QUOTE=proboardslol;48048035]He's a rapist. He'll probably get murdered by someone else in jail in his first week.[/QUOTE] Not in an Australian prison he won't. Murders do happen but they're rare.
[QUOTE=wraithcat;48060561]So why are people saying he got 13 years? He got 17, thirteen of which are non parole. Those other 4 don't have a guaranteed parole.[/QUOTE] Because there is the potential he could be released in 13 and frankly 17 years isn't long enough. [editline]27th June 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=MuTAnT;48061581]Not in an Australian prison he won't. Murders do happen but they're rare.[/QUOTE] Pretty sure the last time it happened was a gangland killing.
[QUOTE=proboardslol;48048035]He's a rapist. He'll probably get murdered by someone else in jail in his first week.[/QUOTE] Interesting I didn't know they killed normal rapists too, I thought they only killed pedophiles and child molesters.
i dont think anyone, or any group of people should have the right to decide who lives or dies.
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;48060778]Pretty hard to undue that if they're innocent. Assuming you mean child molesters.[/QUOTE] Psychiatric chemical castration is reversible, but it can cause severe side effects in some people. Most of the nations that utilize it don't care, though.
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