• eBay to ban sale of Confederate flag merchandise
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[QUOTE='[Seed Eater];48038445'][citation needed][/QUOTE] What's the point in responding to this? You've already proven you will blow off any evidence that disagrees with you.
[QUOTE=Grenadiac;48038464]What's the point in responding to this? You've already proven you will blow off any evidence that disagrees with you.[/QUOTE] you completely ignored the long ass post he made that explains every single one of his points as clearly as it is humanly possible and you're talking about blowing off evidence? give me a break
People need to finally figure out that those guys lost for a reason, their shit doesn't exist anymore and it only supports racial hatred and intolerance.
[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;48038481]you completely ignored the long ass post he made that explains every single one of his points as clearly as it is humanly possible and you're talking about blowing off evidence? give me a break[/QUOTE] The same way he ignored all the ones to the contrary? Yeah, okay. I'm not humoring his revisionist bullshit with another long-winded explanation. I've given several in this thread. I've seen the letters and I've heard veterans' stories through family members. I will say again that everyone's seen the official articles of secession. This is not news. To the writers of the articles of secession, slavery was a big deal. The bad blood ran much deeper than that. Slavery was not a topic that affected >99% of the population. They did not go fight the war so people they don't care about could enslave people they don't care about. Slavery is one of the big issues that triggered the secession, but the war was not fought over it. The battle flag represents the men who were fighting. States' flags and the stars and bars represents the politicians.
[QUOTE=Grenadiac;48038464]What's the point in responding to this? You've already proven you will blow off any evidence that disagrees with you.[/QUOTE] No, seriously, please, provide me some evidence. I remember seeing a doc on one guy but he was an outlier, which is why he had a short documentary on him. Can you show me evidence to where "a large number" of black people are using the flag as part of their identity? Cause last I knew they were burning that shit. [editline]24th June 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Grenadiac;48038488]The same way he ignored all the ones to the contrary? Yeah, okay.[/QUOTE] What ones to the contrary? All you've said so far are personal anecdotes and ignorance to historical facts, which I've responded to. Can you quote me posts that I've "ignored"?
[QUOTE='[Seed Eater];48038513']No, seriously, please, provide me some evidence. I remember seeing a doc on one guy but he was an outlier, which is why he had a short documentary on him. Can you show me evidence to where "a large number" of black people are using the flag as part of their identity? Cause last I knew they were burning that shit.[/QUOTE] I can pull up a hundred pictures of black people standing by Confederate flags on their vehicles, standing under Confederate flags on their property, or even wearing Confederate uniforms and you will respond with "they are a fringe minority and don't count." Here's one example of many: [img]http://i.imgur.com/KhJzeYr.jpg[/img] [quote]COLUMBIA, S.C. — A black college student who drew complaints for displaying a Confederate flag in his dorm room window said he sees the banner as a symbol of Southern pride and not racism. The 19-year-old student at the University of South Carolina Beaufort took the flag down at the university's request, but he said he's considering putting it back up after the officials relented. Byron Thomas has drawn nearly 70,000 views since he posted a video online in which he acknowledges: "I know it's kind of weird because I'm black." In a telephone interview Thursday, Thomas said a class research project made him come to the belief that the flag's real meaning has been hijacked. He said he wants people to thoughtfully consider issues of race and not just knee-jerk reactions to such symbols. "When I look at this flag, I don't see racism. I see respect, Southern pride," he said. "This flag was seen as a communication symbol" during the Civil War.[/quote] There is no shortage of this.
[QUOTE=Grenadiac;48038549]I can pull up a hundred pictures of black people standing by Confederate flags on their vehicles, standing under Confederate flags on their property, or even wearing Confederate uniforms and you will respond with "they are a fringe minority and don't count." Here's one example of many: [img]http://i.imgur.com/KhJzeYr.jpg[/img] There is no shortage of this.[/QUOTE] they just have internalized racism :downs:
[QUOTE=Grenadiac;48038549]I can pull up a hundred pictures of black people standing by Confederate flags on their vehicles, standing under Confederate flags on their property, or even wearing Confederate uniforms and you will respond with "they are a fringe minority and don't count." Here's one example of many: [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/KhJzeYr.jpg[/IMG] There is no shortage of this.[/QUOTE] You are right - there is no shortage of this. [URL="http://www.timesofisrael.com/black-nazi-cabbie-defends-ideology/"]Black Nazi NY cabbie defends brandishing Nazi Swastika [/URL] [IMG]http://cdn.timesofisrael.com/uploads/2014/05/Nazi-Arm-Band-Taxi-Driver_opt-380.png[/IMG] [quote]Gabriel Diaz insists on right to wear a swastika armband, says he doesn’t hate Jews, and thinks Hitler’s misunderstood[/quote] He expresses the same "They are misunderstood" argument you and others keep bringing up. What is your point, that because black people have displayed it therefore it is no longer racist?
muh heritage, muh southern freedom I want the flag to just die already.
Your point is seemingly the opposite - because black people have condemned it becomes racist. Neither is fully factual and neither is the constant assertion that the CSA was entirely a racist institution, of which every citizen was dedicated the supporting and prolonging slavery that you keep making.
reminder that if you have a confederate battle flag you are literally a slave-allowing racist redneck
The Confederate flag is dumb and racist, but I don't think it is really ebay's place to stop serving people who wish to sell them.
[QUOTE=Grenadiac;48038656]Your point is seemingly the opposite -[B] because black people have condemned it becomes racist[/B].[/QUOTE] I never said that.
[QUOTE=Grenadiac;48038549]I can pull up a hundred pictures of black people standing by Confederate flags on their vehicles, standing under Confederate flags on their property, or even [B]wearing Confederate uniforms[/B][/QUOTE] Once again I've met more black Confederate reenactors than I have black Union reenactors and it's always been a weird sort of funny thing to me.
[QUOTE=Starpluck;48038725]I never said that.[/QUOTE] If you want to sit there and put words in my mouth I'm gonna do it right back. If you don't like me doing it back, you can stop whenever you're ready.
[QUOTE=Grenadiac;48038549]I can pull up a hundred pictures of black people standing by Confederate flags on their vehicles, standing under Confederate flags on their property, or even wearing Confederate uniforms and you will respond with "they are a fringe minority and don't count." Here's one example of many: [img]http://i.imgur.com/KhJzeYr.jpg[/img] There is no shortage of this.[/QUOTE] they're just ignorant, thats all there is to it no self-respecting black man or woman would fly such a flag, the prime symbol of racism in america
[QUOTE=Grenadiac;48038741]If you want to sit there and put words in my mouth I'm gonna do it right back. If you don't like me doing it back, you can stop whenever you're ready.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]You mean like how a very large portion of southern blacks have also adopted the rebel flag to represent southern pride and rejection of authority?[/QUOTE] What do you think this statement, that you repeatedly defended, implies? Why does it matter they are black?
[QUOTE=Starpluck;48038767]What do you think this statement, that you repeatedly defended, implies? Why does it matter they are black?[/QUOTE] It matters that they are black when you and your "side" of this argument are positing that a particular symbol is racist [disparaging to blacks] and a not insignificant population of black Americans seem to actively disagree with that statement.
"Not an insignificant" portion of the population of blacks and other minorities actively disagree that the Nazi symbol is racist. So again, why does it matter.
[QUOTE=Naught;48038756]they're just ignorant, thats all there is to it no self-respecting black man or woman would fly such a flag, the prime symbol of racism in america[/QUOTE] His ancestors could have fought for the confederacy, the CSA did have some black soldiers.
[QUOTE=Grenadiac;48038779]It matters that they are black when you and your "side" of this argument are positing that a particular symbol is racist [disparaging to blacks] and a not insignificant population of black Americans seem to actively disagree with that statement.[/QUOTE] just how big is that population, exactly?
[QUOTE=zerglingv2;48038795]His ancestors could have fought for the confederacy, the CSA did have some black soldiers.[/QUOTE] doesn't matter; racist
There's a lot of things I'd rather be doing than sit here and play ring around the rosie for 9 hours with someone looking for an excuse to generalize and hate [B]9 million people[/B] and disrespect war dead for activities committed by an exceedingly small percentage of them. Maybe one day you'll realize it's not as simple as you want to believe it is but I'm done here.
Personally, I wouldn't fly a Confederate flag, but it's really just a Southern icon these days. It's not uncommon to see a beat up pickup trucks with the flag pasted onto the tailgate or rear window.
[QUOTE=zerglingv2;48038795]His ancestors could have fought for the confederacy, the CSA did have some black soldiers.[/QUOTE] Alright time for a history lesson. The Confederacy didn't authorize the use of slaves as soldiers until 1865, and the Siege of Richmond happened before those orders could be exercised. The "Louisana Home Guard" photo, which supposedly features a group of black Confederate soldiers, is unfortunately fake. It's a recolored picture of a Federal unit. [B]HOWEVER[/B], some of the Confederacy's first volunteer officers were slave-owning black men in the New Orleans militia. They were never deployed, however, and it's assumed that they did not see any combat other than the Siege of New Orleans. [editline]24th June 2015[/editline] I almost forgot the Louisiana Native Guard. They were free black men who formed a militia in service of the CSA. One of them was even Jewish.
[QUOTE=zerglingv2;48038795]His ancestors could have fought for the confederacy, the CSA did have some black soldiers.[/QUOTE] so they fought for the slavery of their brothers and sisters okay? that doesn't make it right at all
[QUOTE=Naught;48038970]so they fought for the slavery of their brothers and sisters okay? that doesn't make it right at all[/QUOTE] holy mother of joseph you're going all out on this, aren't you? is there apparently no such thing for honoring or respecting your family? unless they fucking went around like ISIS or the gestapo, what the hell is wrong with respecting your family? [editline]wtf[/editline] when do we start tearing down the confederate statues because "racist!!!"
Why would a company and such a huge site such as EBay do this? It seems like they're making a very biased decision right here and it's not fixing anything.
I have a funny feeling that black slaves didn't exactly choose to fight in the war
sure you can honor and respect your family in private hang the flag above your fireplace but thousands of black people died under slavery by the people using that flag. should they not be taken into account as well? my grandfather is black, and he had relatives who died attempting to escape from slave owners. how do you think it makes my family feel when we see some bigot running around in an f-150 with AMERICAN PRIDE TAKE BACK AMERICA license plates and confederate flags everywhere? or when theres schools named after confederate generals, and flags flying high in the state buildings?
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