Kenyan villagers chase and capture two goat-killing cheetahs
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[QUOTE=viperfan7;42871369]Humans aren't just any type of predator, were a pursuit predator, the damn scariest kind on the planet, we don't have the speed or strength of other animals, although we probably have the best eyesight (even counting most birds), but we are the most durable thing on the planet.
Imagine you're a deer, or hey, a lone wolf, and you see a human with a spear, you're now thinking, I want to get away from this thing, its bigger then me and it's not backing down, so you run for a bit until you think you lost him and decide to rest for a little. 5 minutes later, you see the same human, now you think, oh shit, I need to GTFO. So you run a little bit harder, and longer, now you are tired out, and you need rest, so seeing as the human is no where in sight, you lay down, 15 minutes pass and you hear rustling in the bush. Thats right, he found you. This goes on and on until you collapse, dead from exhaustion, and the human never had to expend even a 10th of his energy to do it, didn't even have to dull the tip of his spear.
Thats what a pursuit predator does, and its the damn scariest thing in the world, and we are the best at it.
[editline]15th November 2013[/editline]
Best visual acuity on the planet I believe, and we can take in information and use it in ways nothing else can, that's why we are such good predators.[/QUOTE]
Sounds like rust gameplay
[QUOTE=Hoffa1337;42870744]I'm surprised how well they are treating the cheetahs, even cooling them down with a hose. I'd assume they'd just smash them to death.[/QUOTE]
The government probably incentivizes them to turn them over rather than kill them. It mentions in the article that they were seeking compensation for their goats, I wouldn't be surprised if the government was seeking to compensate farmers for the loss of livestock in exchange for the live capture of "pest" animals, especially considering that cheetahs are considered a vulnerable species with only 12,000 wild specimens existing.
[QUOTE=viperfan7;42871369]
Best visual acuity on the planet I believe, and we can take in information and use it in ways nothing else can, that's why we are such good predators.[/QUOTE]
Actually there are birds with far superior visual acuity than humans.
[QUOTE=A B.A. Survivor;42873605]That reminds me of this: [URL]http://i.imgur.com/ASyumRs.jpg[/URL][/QUOTE]What's that from? Also, he put "show up" in italics too. :D
[QUOTE=A B.A. Survivor;42873605]That reminds me of this: [URL]http://i.imgur.com/ASyumRs.jpg[/URL][/QUOTE]
Probably one of my favorite pictures ever
[QUOTE=DeEz;42873765]Actually there are birds with far superior visual acuity than humans.[/QUOTE]As far as I know, only owls have total binocular vision and therefore have the same strengths we have and then some. (superb night vision for starters) Most birds have monocular vision but this severely limits their depth perception, especially in birds commonly preyed upon by other animals. This is why some birds constantly tilt, bob, and turn their head when observing an object, they lack good depth perception and are viewing the object from multiple angles to determine it's distance using motion parallax. Predatory birds have eyes at an angle, so each eye's field of vision overlaps and that allows the bird to use stereopsis to determine the distance of the object.
[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;42873770]What's that from? Also, he put "show up" in italics too. :D[/QUOTE]
That was posted on LMAO pics (at least). I got a link to the page where that is.
[url]http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1302644&page=165[/url]
Post 6575 (I actually favorited it because that thing was awesome)
[QUOTE=kenji;42870676]Iirc arn't we the only mammal capable of pulling it off? (Chasing other animals into exhaustion)[/QUOTE]
Wolves/Dogs/Lynx/Bobcat
[quote]Name an [I]apex[/I] mammalian predator that can run continuously for a length of time greater than humans.[/quote]
Pretty sure killer whales are more apex in their particular food circle and go a lot longer than any human.
Yeah cheetahs are kinda assholes. They only eat fresh meat and a lot of it, causing problems like the one those villagers had to solve.
[QUOTE=viperfan7;42871369]Humans aren't just any type of predator, were a pursuit predator, the damn scariest kind on the planet, we don't have the speed or strength of other animals, although we probably have the best eyesight (even counting most birds), but we are the most durable thing on the planet.
Imagine you're a deer, or hey, a lone wolf, and you see a human with a spear, you're now thinking, I want to get away from this thing, its bigger then me and it's not backing down, so you run for a bit until you think you lost him and decide to rest for a little. 5 minutes later, you see the same human, now you think, oh shit, I need to GTFO. So you run a little bit harder, and longer, now you are tired out, and you need rest, so seeing as the human is no where in sight, you lay down, 15 minutes pass and you hear rustling in the bush. Thats right, he found you. This goes on and on until you collapse, dead from exhaustion, and the human never had to expend even a 10th of his energy to do it, didn't even have to dull the tip of his spear.
Thats what a pursuit predator does, and its the damn scariest thing in the world, and we are the best at it.
[editline]15th November 2013[/editline]
Best visual acuity on the planet I believe, and we can take in information and use it in ways nothing else can, that's why we are such good predators.[/QUOTE]
Not to mention that our ability to walk on two legs instead of four makes us much more energy efficient.
Basically we terminator animals to death; we walk at them until they die.
Also I thought that certain birds have much higher visual acuity.
[editline]15th November 2013[/editline]
[t]https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/7333627/pics/humans.jpg[/t]
Long-ass picture on why humans are terrifying.
[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;42872407]Name an [i]apex[/i] mammalian predator that can run continuously for a length of time greater than humans. Yiannis Kouros is particularly good at running really far in a reasonable amount of time. So far his record (and the world record) for 24 hour road marathon running is 290km, at about 12km/h non-stop. Compare this to your average grizzly bear, the king of the North American wilderness, who can only manage 160km in a single day. Mind you, there's no way in hell a bear would follow something for 160km in a day because bears have a major flaw that we don't: hibernation. They cannot afford to waste calories chasing shit all over the countryside because every calorie they burn during the spring and summer has to be regained [i]in addition to[/i] the calories they need to store for winter. There is one other animal besides the bear that can come close to our long-distance endurance; man's best friend, the dog. Through years and years of selective breeding, we've created an animal that can run as long and hard as we can and they've helped us hunt for thousands of years.[/QUOTE]
Yes running on a paved road=running through the wilderness. I don't think it makes sense to look at the world record for running under very specific conditions and then declare human beings are the best runners in the animal kingdom.
[QUOTE=Falubii;42875927]Yes running on a paved road=running through the wilderness. I don't think it makes sense to look at the world record for running under very specific conditions and then declare human beings are the best runners in the animal kingdom.[/QUOTE]... Okay. It also doesn't make sense to look at our closest competition (in North America) and assume they're going to travel 160km for a meal. We don't hibernate, they do, so every single calorie they burn is one more they'll need to make up for [i]before[/i] they even begin to fatten for winter.
In reality, most humans wouldn't be able to run 12km/h for one solid day, but then again they wouldn't have to. Let's say you go with the average speed a human walks, you're still left with [i]one hundred and twenty fucking kilometers[/i] of distance in a twenty-four hour period. Add in a little jogging, maybe even some running now and again, and after two days you're going to exceed the endurance capacity of nearly every single animal that would be worth the effort. That is to say, the animal provides enough caloric intake to justify the travel and a surplus. That's not even including the bones, horns, antlers, hooves, sinew, and hide to make tools so you don't have to walk shit to death and can, instead, shoot it to death.
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[QUOTE=27X;42875658]Wolves/Dogs/Lynx/Bobcat
Pretty sure killer whales are more apex in their particular food circle and go a lot longer than any human.[/QUOTE]Wolves are capable, so are dogs, which is probably why we've domesticated them to be our buddies. Lynx, and bobcats, not so much. They're felines meaning they're ambush predators so that rules them out entirely. (ambush predators, by definition, are geared toward quick bursts of speed)
Also, I said [i]run[/i], if whales could run that would be terrifying.
[QUOTE=27X;42875658]Wolves/Dogs/Lynx/Bobcat
Pretty sure killer whales are more apex in their particular food circle and go a lot longer than any human.[/QUOTE]
Wolves will chase elk for days on end and will sometimes go for even longer. Apparently they can go up to 50 miles per day. Orcas can go up to 100. There's also the huskies in the Iditarod race in Alaska who travel for over 100 miles in a day.
we were definitely top ten, before we invented bows and guns and shit
Pretty much this
[video=youtube;yg_nJwGXAk0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yg_nJwGXAk0[/video]
Awesome that they caught them alive, was really surprised and happy to hear that.
[QUOTE=kenji;42870676]Iirc arn't we the only mammal capable of pulling it off? (Chasing other animals into exhaustion)[/QUOTE]
Why has this got so many agrees? Of course other animals can do it
[QUOTE=RobbL;42877125]Why has this got so many agrees? Of course other animals can do it[/QUOTE]
We're the only ones that used to do it as one of our only sources for food.
[QUOTE=thisispain;42870785]eh they're people not wild animals why would they smash the cheetah to death[/QUOTE]
Because it's threatening the livelihood of their farmers? 'Tis a perfectly valid reason to shoot 'em in my books anyway, and I like big cats.
[QUOTE=thisispain;42870785]eh they're people not wild animals why would they smash the cheetah to death[/QUOTE]
I'm sure alot of angry people anywhere in the world would kill the cheetahs for stealing goats.
[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;42872407]Name an [i]apex[/i] mammalian predator that can run continuously for a length of time greater than humans. Yiannis Kouros is particularly good at running really far in a reasonable amount of time. So far his record (and the world record) for 24 hour road marathon running is 290km, at about 12km/h non-stop. Compare this to your average grizzly bear, the king of the North American wilderness, who can only manage 160km in a single day. Mind you, there's no way in hell a bear would follow something for 160km in a day because bears have a major flaw that we don't: hibernation. They cannot afford to waste calories chasing shit all over the countryside because every calorie they burn during the spring and summer has to be regained [i]in addition to[/i] the calories they need to store for winter. There is one other animal besides the bear that can come close to our long-distance endurance; man's best friend, the dog. Through years and years of selective breeding, we've created an animal that can run as long and hard as we can and they've helped us hunt for thousands of years.[/QUOTE]
holy shit we're awesome
Shit they captured secret agent Cheeter! Don't you understand that these goats are trying to take over the world? Let Robbaz explain:
[video=youtube;ZrrATTEtJjw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZrrATTEtJjw&hd=1[/video]
[QUOTE=Pilotguy97;42870813]Basically, because humans can sweat as they run and don't have fur or anything, they can run and stay cool without stopping, assuming the hunter's fit and trained.
Most people think it was the main reason early humans survived so well, because while things could outrun humans easily, nothing could keep it up for an entire day, non-stop.[/QUOTE]
This was the main thing in my last anthropology class. This persistence hunting is the main explanation of how homo erectus lost its hair in the first place. Those with less hair and more sweat and legs better suited for running caught and ate the prey, those who were hairier and such didn't and died. Ah, evolution.
[QUOTE=Falubii;42875927]Yes running on a paved road=running through the wilderness. I don't think it makes sense to look at the world record for running under very specific conditions and then declare human beings are the best runners in the animal kingdom.[/QUOTE]
We are the best runners in the animal kingdom.
Humanity didn't make the mammoth go extinct by slowly lumbering towards them while taking occasional naps.
Prehistoric hunters could run much longer and faster then any marathon runner today because they NEEDED to run that fast and long to survive.
We didn't get to the top of the food chain by not being the best. As a matter of fact we've thoroughly fucked over the trophic system because traditionally Apex predators have the smallest population due to available energy in an environment.
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