Genetically-modified purple tomatoes heading for shops
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Weird, I would have sworn I have seen tomatoes of that color in someone's garden before.
[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;43668081]Weird, I would have sworn I have seen tomatoes of that color in someone's garden before.[/QUOTE]
are you sure they werent plums
My main counter to GMO is basically that we've done many many things in the past that have turned out to have really terrible side effects. This usually gets blanketed by excuses from people who don't even understand what risk is.
With GMOs you're no longer dealing with localized problems that kill few people if something fucks up, you're talking about altering the very thing every human, and many animals depends on for survival - and it's irreversible to boot.
When you're talking about things that can impact the world like that, it would make sense to properly study the extents of it before unleashing it on the world. That kind of thing isn't done in 10, or even 20 years.
Carelessly claiming that GMOs are infinitely safe because 'science says so' is a sure-fire way to potentially extinct a civilization.
I love basing my fears off pulp sci-fi.
[QUOTE=Shadaez;43668098]are you sure they werent plums[/QUOTE]
[t]http://tomatoheadquarters.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/varieties-black-2012-b.jpg[/t]
dunno
[QUOTE=lolo;43667851]
No not yet[/QUOTE]
You literally don't have a clue what you are talking about.
Whenever this debate pops up, I always think of this.
[video=youtube;yzTECVk8tVU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzTECVk8tVU[/video]
[QUOTE=SCopE5000;43667470]It starts with harmless-seeming purple tomatoes and then before long, you've got Tomacco.[/QUOTE]
Tomeato.
[QUOTE=SCopE5000;43668102]Carelessly claiming that GMOs are infinitely safe because 'science says so' is a sure-fire way to potentially extinct a civilization.[/QUOTE]
didn't you get learned nothing at school?
How did humanity survive all these years without tomato blueberries and vitamin pills ?
I tried these last summer, they taste like shit.
[QUOTE=AntonioR;43668354]How did humanity survive all these years without tomato blueberries and vitamin pills ?[/QUOTE]
Those actually were serious issues, at least the vitamin part. For example, because of the lack of Iodine in the air and a vitamin diverse diet, people living in the the mountains in the past weren't as intellectually developed as people living at the seaside with more variety in foods.
Another example is Scurvy, a disease resulting from a deficiency of vitamin C which was common with Sailors, Pirates and essentially any other kind of person who'd stay on voyage for an extended period of time on "economical" food standards.
The existence if vitamin pills would've affected past human history quite strongly, to be honest.
[QUOTE=Zonesylvania;43667531]This reminds me of something out of Goosebumps. I think there was an actual story that had something like this, though I don't remember which one it was.[/QUOTE]
Monster Blood maybe?
I don't like tomatoes, and making them Purple damn won't make me like them.
Fuck off science, I won't eat tomatoes, no matter how you make them look!
[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;43668132][t]http://tomatoheadquarters.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/varieties-black-2012-b.jpg[/t]
dunno[/QUOTE]
the one on the left looks like an anus.
[QUOTE=SCopE5000;43668102]My main counter to GMO is basically that we've done many many things in the past that have turned out to have really terrible side effects. This usually gets blanketed by excuses from people who don't even understand what risk is.
With GMOs you're no longer dealing with localized problems that kill few people if something fucks up, you're talking about altering the very thing every human, and many animals depends on for survival - and it's irreversible to boot.
When you're talking about things that can impact the world like that, it would make sense to properly study the extents of it before unleashing it on the world. That kind of thing isn't done in 10, or even 20 years.
Carelessly claiming that GMOs are infinitely safe because 'science says so' is a sure-fire way to potentially extinct a civilization.[/QUOTE]
If you don't like GMOs I would advise against eating stuff like Corn, Strawberries, Wheat, just to name a few, pretty much all the produce at your local grocery store is a GMO and has been since long before you were born. The difference is now it doesn't take several decades to make a noticeable change.
[QUOTE=RR_Raptor65;43668691]If you don't like GMOs I would advise against eating stuff like Corn, Strawberries, Wheat, just to name a few, pretty much all the produce at your local grocery store is a GMO and has been since long before you were born. The difference is now it doesn't take several decades to make a noticeable change.[/QUOTE]
You can't compare selective breading and crossing between plants of the same kind, and eg. adding fly genes to corn to have better resistance in some areas.
[QUOTE=ATribeCalledQ;43668385]I tried these last summer, they taste like shit.[/QUOTE]
Most tomatoes you can buy at the supermarket have no flavour whatsoever, they're all cultivars that are designed to grow as large as possible so it makes the fruit taste terrible.
Buy a tomato plant or some seeds from a garden store and grow your own just to see the difference, it's massive. Good tomatoes actually live up to being called a fruit, you can eat them raw
[QUOTE=Zeke129;43669372]Most tomatoes you can buy at the supermarket have no flavour whatsoever, they're all cultivars that are designed to grow as large as possible so it makes the fruit taste terrible.
Buy a tomato plant or some seeds from a garden store and grow your own just to see the difference, it's massive. Good tomatoes actually live up to being called a fruit, you can eat them raw[/QUOTE]
I still enjoy regular "tasteless" tomatoes from the market (I've also had heirloom varieties that taste much better), but most of all I love being able to go to my nearest Mexican market (Cardenas in my case) and buying 3 pounds of tomatoes for $1. I then put them in everything for both flavor and nutrition.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;43669372]Most tomatoes you can buy at the supermarket have no flavour whatsoever, they're all cultivars that are designed to grow as large as possible so it makes the fruit taste terrible.
Buy a tomato plant or some seeds from a garden store and grow your own just to see the difference, it's massive. Good tomatoes actually live up to being called a fruit, you can eat them raw[/QUOTE]
I know, I grew up with having the luxury of a nice home garden. Many memories of me sneaking out of the house with a salt shaker and eating tomato's like they're apples. I was just telling you guys whats up, even though they have more vitamins, they still taste like a shitty store bought tomato.
[QUOTE=Saturn V;43667505]Man that looks gross.[/QUOTE]
Like, it's not even the purple sauce that makes it look awful, it's the thickness
So...
I work at a mom & pop shop pizza place.
Are my customers going to shit bricks the minute they see purple pizza sauce?
so how long until tomacco is a reality
[QUOTE=SCopE5000;43668102]My main counter to GMO is basically that we've done many many things in the past that have turned out to have really terrible side effects. This usually gets blanketed by excuses from people who don't even understand what risk is.
With GMOs you're no longer dealing with localized problems that kill few people if something fucks up, you're talking about altering the very thing every human, and many animals depends on for survival - and it's irreversible to boot.
When you're talking about things that can impact the world like that, it would make sense to properly study the extents of it before unleashing it on the world. That kind of thing isn't done in 10, or even 20 years.
Carelessly claiming that GMOs are infinitely safe because 'science says so' is a sure-fire way to potentially extinct a civilization.[/QUOTE]
theyre just tomatoes dude
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;43668265]didn't you get learned nothing at school?[/QUOTE]
This is exactly what I'm talking about.
You're treating science like a religion, like something that you can 'believe in', that's 100% correct because someone performed a test once and got a result.
Science must be falsifiable, or it's not science.
[QUOTE=RR_Raptor65;43668691]If you don't like GMOs I would advise against eating stuff like Corn, Strawberries, Wheat, just to name a few, pretty much all the produce at your local grocery store is a GMO and has been since long before you were born. The difference is now it doesn't take several decades to make a noticeable change.[/QUOTE]
There's a difference between gradually altering a genome over thousands of years and drastically altering a genome in 5 minutes.
Modern day GMO is like injecting steroids compared to anything done in the past. Stop acting like they're even remotely the same thing.
[QUOTE=SCopE5000;43668102]My main counter to GMO is basically that we've done many many things in the past that have turned out to have really terrible side effects. This usually gets blanketed by excuses from people who don't even understand what risk is.
With GMOs you're no longer dealing with localized problems that kill few people if something fucks up, you're talking about altering the very thing every human, and many animals depends on for survival - and it's irreversible to boot.
When you're talking about things that can impact the world like that, it would make sense to properly study the extents of it before unleashing it on the world. That kind of thing isn't done in 10, or even 20 years.
Carelessly claiming that GMOs are infinitely safe because 'science says so' is a sure-fire way to potentially extinct a civilization.[/QUOTE]
But GMOs take several years to even get into FDA testing, and before that you can't sell it on any market.
Take for example AquaBounty Salmon... It took roughly 15 years for them to even have an FDA approval, and even with that you still have places like Whole Food stores which go about going, "omg not natural ; _ ;" and refuse outright to sell it because of that.
Not to mention that organic farming measures or measures of slowly breeding takes 100's of years, and when we have a population of seven billion people, four billion doesn't want to simply roll over and die from starvation.
[editline]26th January 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=SCopE5000;43673837]
There's a difference between gradually altering a genome over thousands of years and drastically altering a genome in 5 minutes.
Modern day GMO is like injecting steroids compared to anything done in the past. Stop acting like they're even remotely the same thing.[/QUOTE]
And we cannot simply work with gradual effect, its to slow of a process, and doesn't work at the speed we need it to work at.
[editline]26th January 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=AntonioR;43668766]You can't compare selective breading and crossing between plants of the same kind, and eg. adding fly genes to corn to have better resistance in some areas.[/QUOTE]
The end results are always the same though. We live in a fast world, we need to keep speed or people will die from starvation. GMO's are tested almost religiously in labs to ensure their safety, and even if maybe by the time I am 80, I'll die from some sort of cancer I got from eating GMO all my life, well... I was already 80.
[QUOTE=NikoChekhov;43668574]Monster Blood maybe?[/QUOTE]
Beware the Purple Peanut Butter?
[QUOTE=SCopE5000;43673837]This is exactly what I'm talking about.
You're treating science like a religion, like something that you can 'believe in', that's 100% correct because someone performed a test once and got a result.
Science must be falsifiable, or it's not science.
There's a difference between gradually altering a genome over thousands of years and drastically altering a genome in 5 minutes.
Modern day GMO is like injecting steroids compared to anything done in the past. Stop acting like they're even remotely the same thing.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Zenreon117;43674763][media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptDd9ftNaq8[/media][/QUOTE]
Looks like 'ol Zenny's gone off his meds again.
[QUOTE=SCopE5000;43673837]
You're treating science like a religion, like something that you can 'believe in', that's 100% correct because someone performed a test once and got a result.
[/QUOTE]
Except it's not performing a test [i]once[/i], it's performing a test dozens of times through a dozen variations while recording literally everything that happens during those tests. And it's typically not just one person or group thats performing the tests, theres going to be other people and groups that are going to be doing the same tests across the entire fucking planet.
Yeah, if it's like that cold fusion BS from the 80's or 90's where they performed a test once and got a good result and were completely and entirely unable to replicate it because it was a careless fluke, yeah I'd understand. But if it's shit thats being rigorously tested and has many unbiased publications to back up it's safety, then I'd say you'd be a fool not to believe it.
Science isn't infallible but you'd be hard pressed to disprove most of the facts we've learned over the years.
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