Young cannabis smokers run risk of lower IQ, report claims
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[QUOTE]"The Dunedin sample is probably the most intensively studied cohort in the world and therefore the data are very good."[/QUOTE]
Oh god, I live there.
Careful, IQ tests can be misguided.
[quote] It is concluded that frequent cannabis use is unlikely to be neurotoxic to the normal developing adolescent brain.[/quote]
[url]http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1524733/?tool=pubmed[/url]
[editline]27th August 2012[/editline]
I mean this study found a completely different result.
[quote]Although there was no overall difference in IQ difference score between former users and non-users, a subgroup of former users, those who had used at least 5 joints per week (heavy use), was analyzed separately; again, there was no significant difference relative to non-users[/quote]
[url]http://www.cmaj.ca/content/166/7/887.full[/url]
A study is a study however.
[QUOTE=smurfy;37434142]Impossible, weed cures all ailments[/QUOTE]
Oh no! All those kids I told to smoke weed are forever fucked!
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In hindsight, I'm pretty sure I worded this post completely wrong.
i think it's pretty obvious that taking any drug while your body & brain and all that shit is still developing isn't good for you
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;37436890]i think it's pretty obvious that taking any drug while your body & brain and all that shit is still developing isn't good for you[/QUOTE]
Pretty much this, if you're gonna do drugs, wait till you're at least 16.
but i mean as always, you can't blame the drug. i started smoking when i was 15 started drinking when i was 16 and i'm pretty fucked now but i mean it was my decision and i'm the one who has to deal with it. i think there's nothing wrong with this study though, it's good to educate everyone on the possible adverse effects that drugs will have on you so you can go into that kinda shit with a clear idea of whats at risk
[editline]28th August 2012[/editline]
this isn't just saying IF YOU SMOKE WEED YOU'RE GONNA TURN RETARDED it's saying you run the risk and education is the most important thing when it comes to drugs
[editline]28th August 2012[/editline]
heck they even say it's pretty safe to smoke after you're 18 so it's not like this is a anti-weed witch hunt study
I'm all for people doing what they want with their bodies. But we need to give them an unbiased and truthful facts about drugs, the effects, the consequences and how to practice it safely.
Just like safe sex :v:
[QUOTE=skynrdfan3;37436498]people who get changed for the worse by weed are dumb. it's not the drug's fault, its theirs.[/QUOTE]
Yeah man, spot on. Everyone who gets psychologically addicted to weed deserves it. Real badass 420 erryday stoners like us are the only ones that can handle the potency of pot.
you just have to know and set your limits man. And not only that, but your priorities too. I started smoking almost two years ago but I didn't make it my priority in life, I knew to balance work with fun and partying and whatnot. I smoke almost every day, but when it comes to work and school I've got my shit together.
I think the problem with the kids in this study is that they were probably the "420 blaze erry day" types who make weed their life and smoke multiple times a day until they fry their brains... weed, by any means isn't the worst thing out there, but it (as with everything else in life) should come with moderation. Don't fuck yourself over by making it your life and you'll be fine, really...
[editline]27th August 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;37436925]but i mean as always, you can't blame the drug. i started smoking when i was 15 started drinking when i was 16 and i'm pretty fucked now but i mean it was my decision and i'm the one who has to deal with it. i think there's nothing wrong with this study though, it's good to educate everyone on the possible adverse effects that drugs will have on you so you can go into that kinda shit with a clear idea of whats at risk
[editline]28th August 2012[/editline]
this isn't just saying IF YOU SMOKE WEED YOU'RE GONNA TURN RETARDED it's saying you run the risk and education is the most important thing when it comes to drugs
[editline]28th August 2012[/editline]
heck they even say it's pretty safe to smoke after you're 18 so it's not like this is a anti-weed witch hunt study[/QUOTE]
Exactly. This is essentially a warning that says, "here's what happens when you aren't smart about your substance usage. Be fucking careful and it won't happen to you"
I can see motivation being a bigger issue. I have 2 good friends, They both smoke lots of weed, 1 is fairly well educated. The other, not so much. He has also done a fair amount of psychedelics, so his brain is not that great that day. He I wouldn't go as far to say he is stupid though
Smoking weed when you're 18+ and occasionally is great fun with very slight risks. It's not something that I want to be high all the time, but it's good fun. The key word is moderation, most things can be harmful if abused.
[editline]28th August 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=redsoxrock;37437229]He has also done a fair amount of psychedelics, so his brain is not that great that day. [/QUOTE]Except psychedelics such as LSD, psilocybin mushrooms and mescaline do not cause brain damage, nor other negatives effects (aside from maybe bad trips).
[QUOTE=BlackRainbow;37436655]Oh god, I live there.[/QUOTE]
Good man! Dunners is a fun as shit place, everyone always seems to be drunk :v:
[editline]28th August 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=TehWhale;37437259]Smoking weed when you're 16+ and occasionally is great fun with very slight risks. It's not something that I want to be high all the time, but it's good fun. The key word is moderation, most things can be harmful if abused.
[editline]28th August 2012[/editline]
Except psychedelics such as LSD, psilocybin mushrooms and mescaline do not cause brain damage, nor other negatives effects (aside from maybe bad trips).[/QUOTE]
18+
[QUOTE=Stormcharger;37437418]
18+[/QUOTE]
If you want to take these studies seriously, I wouldn't recommend smoking until far past 18.
But personally I have too many problems with this study to agree conclusively that occasional marijuana use is neurotoxic for adolescents.
[editline]27th August 2012[/editline]
Keep in mind I am biased because I engaged in occasional use of marijuana before 18.
[QUOTE=TehWhale;37437259]Except psychedelics such as LSD, psilocybin mushrooms and mescaline do not cause brain damage, nor other negatives effects (aside from maybe bad trips).[/QUOTE]
there's also a very good reason why indigenous peoples tend to have coming-of-age rituals involving hallucinogenic plants (peyote/mescaline, ayahuasca/DMT, psilocybin mushrooms, and etc.) with the teenagers in their tribes... psychedelics, under careful supervision, really help control the human ego and makes people aware of their selves, and in the case of teenagers helps them realize that the angst and negativity associated with adolescence is transient, and something that you can get over sooner rather than later. At least, that's my take on psychedelics, and my own personal view on how they've helped me.
two cents, but whatever
[QUOTE=Canuhearme?;37436593]Except until such evidence arises, we can reasonably assume that marijuana causes brain damage in developing brains.[/QUOTE]
But we can, even more likely, reasonably assume that it doesn't. To say that it's possibly neurotoxic is out of the question, as THC and CBD are proven neuroprotective. The study even addresses the fact that some participants indulged in both alcohol and cigarettes, which are both proven neurotoxic, and will definitely lower someones IQ score.
One of my friends who has always been a heavy smoker is one of the most intelligent people I know, plenty of life experience to boot
however, lazy as fuck
How about just keeping smoking weed to a tolerable minimum instead of being blazed all the fucking time. Maybe that won't turn your brains to a mush.
[QUOTE=TehWhale;37437259]Smoking weed when you're 18+ and occasionally is great fun with very slight risks. It's not something that I want to be high all the time, but it's good fun. The key word is moderation, most things can be harmful if abused.
[editline]28th August 2012[/editline]
Except psychedelics such as LSD, psilocybin mushrooms and mescaline do not cause brain damage, nor other negatives effects (aside from maybe bad trips).[/QUOTE]
Nope
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hallucinogen_persisting_perception_disorder[/url]
I have a mild form of it, its not fun.
I feel slightly stupid now
I knew two guys in school who smoked. After a couple of months, they became so fucking dumb.
Then again, they never were smart in the first place, and they made their own, incredibly shitty drugs.
[QUOTE=WhatAmI;37438616]One of my friends who has always been a heavy smoker is one of the most intelligent people I know, plenty of life experience to boot
however, lazy as fuck[/QUOTE]
Same, except for the lazy part. He did his entire senior year over the summer so he could start college soon. But it was only a few classes because he already has an abundance of credits from AP classes. I wish I could do AP classes like they were a total joke.
There was this stoner in class who just slept all the time, but whenever he tried answering questions in class he always remained silent.
Some say heavy use of weed can take away your ability to express yourself. I don't know much about that myself, but I know for damn sure I'll never try drugs.
[QUOTE=Klammyxxl;37435429]Back when I was sober three years ago, I took an IQ test and scored a 108. After I began smoking, I scored 115. IQ tests are inconsistent.
Just took another out of curiosity (Cambridge test on Facebook) and scored 120. I'm a heavy smoker and am sleep deprived.[/QUOTE]
Not all IQ tests are created equal. If it wasn't professionally done one it probably won't mean jack shit. Even then there are different scales used, the standard deviation may differ etc. And then there are practice effects which are a whole 'nother can of worms.
[QUOTE=Mon;37436524]this explains way more than it should[/QUOTE]
Yep, I was thinking the same thing..
marijuana killed my farther
I find it funny how studies like this rarely take into account other drug use such as alcohol and caffeine and sugar
Is IQ even an accurate measure of intelligence?
I imagine drinking at a young age is far more harmful than consuming cannabis, smoked or otherwise
Honestly, some people need to realize that just about any drug out there has negative side effects, and they can't just simply pretend it's not there.
[QUOTE=stawicki;37439149]marijuana killed my farther[/QUOTE]
No Stawicki, marijuana [I]is[/I] your father.
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