[QUOTE=Bilsta1000;39346191]I had an idea that included scales and laser rangers being put at the counters of mcdonalds.
for every unit that your BMI is over 25 the price of your meal raises accordingly.
Someone whose mildly overweight pays maybe 25% more for their meal whilst someone who is extremely obese would end up paying like 50% more.
Also works if you go the other way to anorexics, they pay half price to get some meat on them.[/QUOTE]
Right, sosomehow blatant pricing discrimination is going to help somehow? Answer: It won't. Two things will happen. 1: Lawsuits will triple overnight. 2: The sales of personal deep fryers and frozen burger patties will jump 600%.
[QUOTE=RobbL;39346476]Mental illness is out of the individual's control, being overweight generally isn't. People can be persuaded to eat healthier and exercise, but you can't take similar steps to guard against mental illness[/QUOTE]
an overweight person's addiction to food can be spawned from neuroses just like any other addiction, so, no.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;39346404][url=http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/22/health/child-eating-disorders/index.html]Childhood (<12 years old) eating disorders have increased 119% since 1999[/url]. Psychologists are seeing kids in grade 3 and 4 obsessively worrying about being fat.
Fuck anyone who thinks fat-shaming does anything good. Making people suffer because you don't like how they look is grade-A asshattery
[editline]24th January 2013[/editline]
Your anecdotes don't trump decades of sociological study[/QUOTE]
it's not because of how they look its because they'll fucking die when they're 60 if they don't stop shoveling big macs into their mouths every 20 minutes
[QUOTE=God's Pimp Hand;39346609]an overweight person's addiction to food can be spawned from neuroses just like any other addiction, so, no.[/QUOTE]
*generally
[QUOTE=Pierrewithahat;39346259]Fuck off, don't even try and tell me that every fat person has binge eating disorder, it's not even close to being true.[/QUOTE]
just like anorexics choose not to shove anything down their "gullets"
[QUOTE=Pierrewithahat;39346325]You can make good home made meals for pennies dude, so the whole unhealthy eating thing isn't the problem either, at least not where I live.
Can we all stop making excuses, yeah I get that some people are just in a really tight spot and can't afford decent food, but the problem with that is that push ups and crunches cost nothing.[/QUOTE]
oh you say you can make healthy food for pennies? wow hey let me call all of my poor friends and tell them the good news! see they were having trouble feeding their families on a low budget so they turned to fast food and stuff like that but if Pierrewithahat says you can do it healthy for pennies i guess they were wrong all along!
"oi mate ur a well fat cunt go on go home n cry fat cunt"
*obese person goes home, and in spite of being upset, munches out on their fridge*
[QUOTE=God's Pimp Hand;39346609]an overweight person's addiction to food can be spawned from neuroses just like any other addiction, so, no.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, it [I]might[/I] be, but it isn't necessarily. There are always exceptions, but generally speaking, you [I]can[/I] lose weight if you want to. You can't lose a mental illness.
Shaming people in the hope that it'll make them conform to your standards of weight is fucking stupid
In any scenario, shame will be a more destructive force than a constructive one
[QUOTE=Maloof?;39346664]Shaming people in the hope that it'll make them conform to your standards of weight is fucking stupid
In any scenario, shame will be a more destructive force than a constructive one[/QUOTE]
Honestly, I disagree. I feel that shame is required for change. Why change something if it's not seen as a problem? Why worry about taking action when it's perfectly okay and acceptable as a lifestyle choice?
I have lots of fat friends and everyone gets offended and the room hushes up and shit feels awkward if I even insinuate or imply that it might be a bad thing that all of my friends are going to die at 40, and it shouldn't be that way. We should be able to have honest conversations about this and be able to honestly say to each other, out of mutual love and compassion, that hey my friend, your health concerns me and your lifestyle choices are not well-thought-out, and I would like for you to change them not only because I want you around but because you should want to be around.
Besides, this isn't a change we'll have to make, there's already an element of shame associated with being overweight, that's why it's such a taboo to even talk about it.
[b]Edit:[/b]
I was mistaken in my understanding of the concept of 'shaming' when I first made this post. I was informed by Maloof? later in the thread of the true definition of 'shaming' and how it involves guilt and the demonization of the person, and was I was originally meaning to say here was that I simply bring it up logically and rationally and with compassion, which apparently is the opposite of 'shaming'. So please ignore my use of the word 'shaming' in this and subsequent posts, I was ignorant on the subject when I made the posts and confused it with what I've done, which is not shaming.
[QUOTE=Pierrewithahat;39346325][B]You can make good home made meals for [I]pennies[/I] dude[/B], so the whole unhealthy eating thing isn't the problem either, at least not where I live.[/QUOTE]
can you please enlighten us on these miracle budget meals
[QUOTE=J Paul;39346695]Honestly, I disagree. I feel that shame is required for change. Why change something if it's not seen as a problem? Why worry about taking action when it's perfectly okay and acceptable as a lifestyle choice?
I have lots of fat friends and everyone gets offended and the room hushes up and shit feels awkward if I even insinuate or imply that it might be a bad thing that all of my friends are going to die at 40, and it shouldn't be that way. We should be able to have honest conversations about this and be able to honestly say to each other, out of mutual love and compassion, that hey my friend, your health concerns me and your lifestyle choices are not well-thought-out, and I would like for you to change them not only because I want you around but because you should want to be around.[/QUOTE]
there's a difference between raising public awareness of the health risks of being overweight and making people feel like shit in a social environment just because you assume it'll "motivate them"
[QUOTE=DeEz;39346699]can you please enlighten us on these miracle budget meals[/QUOTE]
omg if he says top ramen lol
Teaching your kids not to eat like fucking pigs would be a good start to reduce rates of obesity.
Seriously, the mere fact some people actually bring their children, sometimes babies, on a week basis to fast food restaurants is fucking shocking me. Don't get me wrong when I was like 10 I LOVED going to mac donalds but very early on my parents taught me how this had to be exceptional because too much of it would quickly ruin my health.
And then at the same time I saw kids my age and three times my weight going to school with a bag filled with chocolate and candy because their parents couldn't be bothered to give them a healthier breakfast.
[QUOTE=J Paul;39346695]Honestly, I disagree. I feel that shame is required for change. Why change something if it's not seen as a problem? Why worry about taking action when it's perfectly okay and acceptable as a lifestyle choice?
I have lots of fat friends and everyone gets offended and the room hushes up and shit feels awkward if I even insinuate or imply that it might be a bad thing that all of my friends are going to die at 40, and it shouldn't be that way. We should be able to have honest conversations about this and be able to honestly say to each other, out of mutual love and compassion, that hey my friend, your health concerns me and your lifestyle choices are not well-thought-out, and I would like for you to change them not only because I want you around but because you should want to be around.[/QUOTE]
If they're your friends then you can speak to them and explain your viewpoint without shaming them in front of others.
[QUOTE=zzzz;39346612]it's not because of how they look its because they'll fucking die when they're 60 if they don't stop shoveling big macs into their mouths every 20 minutes[/QUOTE]
How does this affect you?
It's already been demonstrated that overweight people are likely to cost public health systems [i]less[/i] in the long run, something that can't be said about eating disorders, so it can't be a money issue either
[QUOTE=J Paul;39346695]Honestly, I disagree. I feel that shame is required for change. Why change something if it's not seen as a problem? Why worry about taking action when it's perfectly okay and acceptable as a lifestyle choice?
I have lots of fat friends and everyone gets offended and the room hushes up and shit feels awkward if I even insinuate or imply that it might be a bad thing that all of my friends are going to die at 40, and it shouldn't be that way. We should be able to have honest conversations about this and be able to honestly say to each other, out of mutual love and compassion, that hey my friend, your health concerns me and your lifestyle choices are not well-thought-out, and I would like for you to change them not only because I want you around but because you should want to be around.
Besides, this isn't a change we'll have to make, there's already an element of shame associated with being overweight, that's why it's such a taboo to even talk about it.[/QUOTE]
There's a big difference between discussing the issue and shaming people for being fat, though.
[QUOTE=Kopimi;39346711]there's a difference between raising public awareness of the health risks of being overweight and making people feel like shit in a social environment just because you assume it'll "motivate them"[/QUOTE]
Sure there is, but I mean the thing is, you're putting that on me, as if I were the one making them feel like shit, when in reality, they've done it to themselves. That's where most of the shame for being fat comes from, the shame that you know it's all your own fault and that comes out when anyone criticizes the fat person's weight. You're trying to make it seem like the fact that the fat person feels bad about their situation is suddenly my fault because I'm the one who brought it up? No, that's just illogical.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;39346722]How does this affect you?
It's already been demonstrated that overweight people are likely to cost public health systems [i]less[/i] in the long run, something that can't be said about eating disorders, so it can't be a money issue either[/QUOTE]
I don't like looking at fat fucks when I go outside. (I'll repeat that I don't agree with the article's idea)
[QUOTE=J Paul;39346736]Sure there is, but I mean the thing is, you're putting that on me, as if I were the one making them feel like shit, when in reality, they've done it to themselves. That's where most of the shame for being fat comes from, the shame that you know it's all your own fault and that comes out when anyone criticizes the fat person's weight. You're trying to make it seem like the fact that the fat person feels bad about their situation is suddenly my fault because I'm the one who brought it up? No, that's just illogical.[/QUOTE]
uh it kinda depends on how you said it. obviously i'm going to "put it on you" if you're incapable of functioning politely in society and choosing an appropriate time to consult a grown adult on their poor health choices
[QUOTE=Stopper;39346749]I don't like looking at fat fucks when I go outside. (I'll repeat that I don't agree with the article's idea)[/QUOTE]
is this a serious post
[QUOTE=J Paul;39346736]Sure there is, but I mean the thing is, you're putting that on me, as if I were the one making them feel like shit, when in reality, they've done it to themselves. That's where most of the shame for being fat comes from, the shame that you know it's all your own fault and that comes out when anyone criticizes the fat person's weight. You're trying to make it seem like the fact that the fat person feels bad about their situation is suddenly my fault because I'm the one who brought it up? No, that's just illogical.[/QUOTE]
Do you understand how shame works?
Shame doesn't come from within the individual. You don't have a man live alone from age 1, raise himself and end up fat and then feel ashamed about it. Shame is a societal effect.
What you were saying is that 'we should make fat people feel ashamed for being fat', which means it is on you
Maybe do some reading into the psychology and effects of shame on an individual and how crippling shame can be before you start busting out opinions advocating it. Somebody who is ashamed of having a problem is far, far lesslikely to seek help for that problem than somebody without shame.
I'm my way cause im a lazy fuck
'least I admit it
[QUOTE=Stopper;39346749]I don't like looking at fat fucks when I go outside. (I'll repeat that I don't agree with the article's idea)[/QUOTE]
do you want a punch on the nose
We shamed smokers and keep discriminating them because they're costing the NHS shitload of money (despite them bringing money thanks to taxes), yet being a fatty is perfectly fine and all?
Of course there are overweight people who are like that because of illnesses, but I highly doubt that represents more than 10%. That's not rocket science : don't eat 2 burgers a day and exercise will prevent being a fatass.
[QUOTE=Kopimi;39346766]uh it kinda depends on how you said it. obviously i'm going to "put it on you" if you're incapable of functioning politely in society and choosing an appropriate time to consult a grown adult on their poor health choices
is this a serious post[/QUOTE]
Well yeah I mean you have to at least take my word for it that I would approach the situation lightly in a real social setting. Like I said, most of my friends are fat, so of course I have to beat around the bush and sugar-coat the subject when I talk about it in public. So of course I'm polite and I address things at an appropriate time, and I'm much less harsh with my language in real life than I am on an internet forum, but even with all of those precautions, they still get all offended. It's just a taboo to even bring it up, like how when people are hooked on pills or something, you can't bring it up, can't mention it, don't hurt people's feelings. Fuck that, honestly, medicine isn't supposed to taste good. Sometimes we have to hear things that are harsh realities and sometimes we don't like to hear those things, too bad.
Even when I'm the nicest person in the world about it, approaching it as lightly and with as much sugar-coating as possible, I still always come out looking like the bad guy for bringing up that being extremely overweight might be an issue.
fuck all you fat fucing fattos
[QUOTE=J Paul;39346824]Well yeah I mean you have to at least take my word for it that I would approach the situation lightly in a real social setting. Like I said, most of my friends are fat, so of course I have to beat around the bush and sugar-coat the subject when I talk about it in public. So of course I'm polite and I address things at an appropriate time, and I'm much less harsh with my language in real life than I am on an internet forum, but even with all of those precautions, they still get all offended. It's just a taboo to even bring it up, like how when people are hooked on pills or something, you can't bring it up, can't mention it, don't hurt people's feelings. Fuck that, honestly, medicine isn't supposed to taste good. Sometimes we have to hear things that are harsh realities and sometimes we don't like to hear those things, too bad.
Even when I'm the nicest person in the world about it, approaching it as lightly and with as much sugar-coating as possible, I still always come out looking like the bad guy for bringing up that being extremely overweight might be an issue.[/QUOTE]
so you're upset because you can't openly talk shit about other people and their lifestyles without them getting offended?
[QUOTE=-Get_A_Life-;39346816]We shamed smokers and keep discriminating them because they're costing the NHS shitload of money (despite them bringing money thanks to taxes), yet being a fatty is perfectly fine and all?
Of course there are overweight people who are like that because of illnesses, but I highly doubt that represents more than 10%. That's not rocket science : don't eat 2 burgers a day and exercise will prevent being a fatass.[/QUOTE]
I don't know any smokers who quit because they were ashamed of smoking
[QUOTE=Maloof?;39346842]I don't know any smokers who quit because they were ashamed of smoking[/QUOTE]
I do. A lot of friends started smoking at the beginning of high school because it was "cool" (that's stupid btw), half of them quit because people started telling them that's stupid and they look stupid.
[video=youtube;RlMKcuNGEeU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RlMKcuNGEeU[/video]
Not the first time the Onion has come true - I half expected the video when I opened the thread. Perfectly relevant, too.
Edit -
Finished watching it, and it is 1:1 with the article pretty much.
[QUOTE=Maloof?;39346842]I don't know any smokers who quit because they were ashamed of smoking[/QUOTE]
Yeah, that's probably because ever since the 30s, smoking was marketed as the epitome of cool.
that and cigarettes becoming expensive shit, but I doubt making burgers a 15$ thing will change anything.
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