Fat-shaming may curb obesity - Polidicks

[QUOTE=J Paul;39347588]You may be joking, it's hard to pull sarcasm from just text, but honestly this is the real root of the problem. That best friend I mentioned, his parents raised him to inhale food and then to look for more, that's just how he was brought up. At his house, because they were all fat, they'd eat early and often. His dinner would come in the early afternoon, he'd inhale it down, and then he'd come to my house and eat our dinner only hours later. And then I'm sure he'd go inhale some more food at his house. There is a real problem here that needs to be addressed and "leave it alone and stop talking about it because you shouldn't give that much of a fuck about other people" is not a good answer. Okay, I can give you the benefit of the doubt. You continuously imply that my friends are tired of it as if I bring it up all the time. Sure you get that feeling, because we're discussing it so it seems like we all have a lot of words for the topic. But I'm 21. I've been around enough years that I can have past experiences that don't have anything to do with my current setting. My relation of how defensive people get is mostly from when I've brought it up in the distant past, because just like you suggest, since they're clearly not open to hearing what I have to say, I stopped bringing these things up a long time ago. This was made clearly apparent by my grammatical tense and by the specific details I gave in my original posts. I'm talking about this on this forum to such an extent BECAUSE I've done what you say to do and stopped talking about it in real life.[/QUOTE] ok cool? so there's no need to be complaining about your friends getting annoyed because clearly you understand they don't want to hear it and no longer are bothering them about it. what's the issue?

[QUOTE=J Paul;39347678]As should be clearly apparent to you by your own rude posting style, the way in which we express ourselves in text on an internet forum has nothing to do with how we express ourselves in real social interactions.[/QUOTE] Also, it is the internet, so there is naturally a bit of fluff to what you say.

[QUOTE=Zeke129;39346008]Just like how social stigma against mental illness has fixed mental illness right up eh[/QUOTE] At the end of the day both of these issues have the same solutions: living a healthy lifestyle. Eating healthy, cutting down stress and getting a good amount of exercise and fresh air everyday is really the best thing you can do for yourself, unfortunately a lot of people aren't in a state where they can even realize this

[QUOTE=J Paul;39347678]As should be clearly apparent to you by your own rude posting style, the way in which we express ourselves in text on an internet forum has nothing to do with how we express ourselves in real social interactions.[/QUOTE] being insulting about being obese is rude no matter what method of communication you use. you might act nice irl but you're still being a rude person right now [editline]25th January 2013[/editline] and zekes posting attitude is mad mild

[QUOTE=Kopimi;39347692]ok cool? so there's no need to be complaining about your friends getting annoyed because clearly you understand they don't want to hear it and no longer are bothering them about it. what's the issue?[/QUOTE] The issue is societal. As long as this is looked at as not a big deal, as long as people with my opinion are seen as imposing assholes, and as long as the obese are coddled, people will continue to think this way and the changes that need to be made will never come about. Sure our discussion on an internet forum won't do anything to change the overall views of society, but this forum exists so that we may at least discuss it.

[QUOTE=J Paul;39347726]The issue is societal. As long as this is looked at as not a big deal, as long as people with my opinion are seen as imposing assholes, and as long as the obese are coddled, people will continue to think this way and the changes that need to be made will never come about. Sure our discussion on an internet forum won't do anything to change the overall views of society, but this forum exists so that we may at least discuss it.[/QUOTE] i'm pretty sure people understand being obese isn't healthy. the reason you're seen as an imposing asshole is because of the way/frequency/timing you choose to bring the topic up in, not because you acknowledge obesity is unhealthy

[QUOTE=Kopimi;39347746]i'm pretty sure people understand being obese isn't healthy. the reason you're seen as an imposing asshole is because of the way/frequency/timing you choose to bring the topic up in, not because you acknowledge obesity is unhealthy[/QUOTE] How can you tell how often he brings this up, for all you know this is the first time he's ever divulged into this topic?

[QUOTE=J Paul;39347726]The issue is societal. As long as this is looked at as not a big deal, as long as people with my opinion are seen as imposing assholes, and as long as the obese are coddled, people will continue to think this way and the changes that need to be made will never come about. Sure our discussion on an internet forum won't do anything to change the overall views of society, but this forum exists so that we may at least discuss it.[/QUOTE] and it's still none of your business if people are fat

[QUOTE=DentalDoctor;39347760]How can you tell how often he brings this up in real life, for all you know this is the first time he's ever divulged into this topic?[/QUOTE] omg my point is that nobody thinks someone is an asshole simply for acknowledging that obesity is unhealthy, they think that because of the WAY they bring it up

[QUOTE=Maloof?;39347768]and it's still none of your business if people are fat[/QUOTE] He's not ordering you to become healthy, he's suggesting it because it is honestly so much better to be healthy.

[QUOTE=DentalDoctor;39347793]He's not ordering you to become healthy, he's suggesting it because it is honestly so much better to be healthy.[/QUOTE] nobody really needs the suggestion though; everybody in the western world knows that being large [I]can[/I] come with health risks I even know a bunch of large people who enjoy their lifestyle

[QUOTE=DeEz;39346699]can you please enlighten us on these miracle budget meals[/QUOTE] Chick peas, lentils and rice can get you all the food you need to live off of for about five dollars a day And you can add a lot to them to flavor them and add more nutrition, but as a baseline you can live off of ithem

[QUOTE=phygon;39347903]Chick peas, lentils and rice can get you all the food you need to live off of for about five dollars a day And you can add a lot to them to flavor them and add more nutrition, but as a baseline you can live off of ithem[/QUOTE] sure it's a healthy meal but eating the same healthy meal every day is going to be very unhealthy; you need a balanced and varied diet to supply you with a range of minerals and vitamins, unless you want to end up malnourished and deficient in some vital stuff

[QUOTE=J Paul;39347544]You're doing just the opposite, you're not holding me accountable for things I say, because you've several times ignored the grammatical tense of what I say, the specific details I lay out when I say it, and the context in which those details were set. And it does effect me. The fact that I'm probably only going to have 2 friends alive in my 40's and 50's over something that is entirely preventable and can be acted upon does directly effect my life.[/QUOTE] it's ridiculous you think being overweight means you don't make it past 40. Are your friends 300 lbs? Or are the 200? There's a huge difference and being 200 doesn't mean you're going to die by 40. There's not even science to back that up

[QUOTE=Zeke129;39347654]Calling fat people abominations, alluding to how they "inhale" food, you're just a rude person you know that right? It's a wonder you have any friends at all with this kind of attitude. If you lose your friends at 40 it won't be because of obesity.[/QUOTE] Well that was a needless zing grab, especially since if you were grounded in reality right now you wouldn't say that. The thing is that no one really cares enough about 'obese rights' to actually stop being someone's friend for their anti-obese beliefs, and for that matter, I don't see why anyone would, obesity can indeed be quelled by personal choices, but I won't argue that anyone should have to be not obese, but at the same time people should be allowed to lambaste their personal choices just as people lambaste people for any other personal choices.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;39347931]it's ridiculous you think being overweight means you don't make it past 40. Are your friends 300 lbs? Or are the 200? There's a huge difference and being 200 doesn't mean you're going to die by 40. There's not even science to back that up[/QUOTE] combined with the fact that being overweight doesn't guarantee having any health complications at all; it only increases the chances. Bad dental hygiene can contribute to heart disease but if my friends don't want to brush their teeth then that's fine with me

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;39347931]it's ridiculous you think being overweight means you don't make it past 40. Are your friends 300 lbs? Or are the 200? There's a huge difference and being 200 doesn't mean you're going to die by 40. There's not even science to back that up[/QUOTE] Agree with you here: severe obesity brings down your lifespan 10 years, which is obviously a fair amount of time, but since the average life in America is 75 then that's 65 (still really young imo), but yeah, not 40. [editline]24th January 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Maloof?;39347960]combined with the fact that being overweight doesn't guarantee having any health complications at all; it only increases the chances. Bad dental hygiene can contribute to heart disease but if my friends [B]don't want to brush their teeth then that's fine with me[/B][/QUOTE] hmm..

[QUOTE=ducklingqt;39347277]Mental illness is the opposite of interesting, it's frightening, especially the ones that cause people to lose touch with reality/develop severe paranoia. It can change your perspective on life, but that isn't a good thing in this case, people being unable to meld with normal people is not interesting, maybe if you enjoy satiating morbid curiosity, but that is just too much, it's not a good thing in any degree.[/QUOTE] This. As a man who suffers from OCD I can tell you for fact that there's absolutely nothing good about having any form of mental illness whatsoever. And when you think about it it doesn't even make a fraction of sense because those traits that prevent people from being able to enjoy life are the very same ones that are associated with neurosis (introversion; obsessiveness; insecurity; inability to delay gratification), so good luck trying to collect wealth and socializing with other people, I'm sure you'll make for a very "exciting" individual.

[QUOTE=ducklingqt;39347966] hmm..[/QUOTE] Hmm? I rarely get close enough to my friends to notice bad breath; it's not like we cuddle or anything [editline]25th January 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=God's Pimp Hand;39348007]This. As a man who suffers from OCD I can tell you for fact that there's absolutely nothing good about having any form of mental illness whatsoever. And when you think about it it doesn't even make a fraction of sense because those traits that prevent people from being able to enjoy life are the very same ones that are associated with neurosis (introversion; obsessiveness; insecurity; inability to delay gratification), so good luck trying to collect wealth and socializing with other people, I'm sure you'll make for a very "exciting" individual.[/QUOTE] I've had pretty severe OCD in the past as well as some anxieties and in my experience there have been one or two upsides. I doubt I'd be as creative as I am now if I hadn't gone through that, and it's definitely made me more compassionate

[QUOTE=Maloof?;39347768]and it's still none of your business if people are fat[/QUOTE] Sure, I agree with that. If anything my views are generally libertarian, I really don't care what anyone does outside of me so long as its effect on me is minimal. It is none of my business. I think though that my reason for posting in this thread in the first place is to express my frustration over the fact that there is such a taboo about it, to the extent where you can't even bring it up. Because, of course I realize that it's none of my business, for the same reason it's none of my business that one of my friends used to be a pill-addicted zombie, but is it really so wrong for me to [I]care[/I]? Why [I]shouldn't[/I] I care? And if I really do care, wouldn't it be disingenuous of me to not express to someone the things I care about? I mean, I've had to hear some hard things about myself, too. And generally I look back on when I heard those things as turning points in my life, as things that greatly strengthened my relationship with a person because of what they allowed me to learn and change about myself. The person who is most willing to, out of care for your situation, honestly tell you 'dude you're fucked up', that's your real friend, not the one who tells you what you want to hear. [QUOTE=HumanAbyss;39347931]it's ridiculous you think being overweight means you don't make it past 40. Are your friends 300 lbs? Or are the 200? There's a huge difference and being 200 doesn't mean you're going to die by 40. There's not even science to back that up[/QUOTE] Well, 300+ is actually fairly common. I would never bring this up to a 200lb person, partly because it's not a problem, and mostly because a person who's only 200lbs probably knows what it's like to be skinny and to go from skinny to chubby, so they more than know what's going on. But these 300+ people, there is something much deeper to that. They've lived their whole lives this way and know nothing different, each and every one of them, at least all of the ones I know personally. Of course I respect if you don't want to take my word on this, I mean I'd have to tell you the life story of all of my friends and even then there's nothing but my word to back it up, but this is a reality that I have absolutely observed, it's not just a coincidence. I don't know anyone in that really high weight range who hasn't lived that way their entire life, so that means there's a much deeper thing at work here, it's a much bigger problem in society than 'someone's fat so leave them alone about it' because it has to do with how we raise our children in general and the lifestyle choices we instill into them.

don't get me wrong, that shit can be terrifying and all-consuming, but when it mellowed out a bit and I got a new perspective on it and the effects of it, I found a couple of things to be grateful for

just kill all fat people [editline]25th January 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Zeke129;39346008]Just like how social stigma against mental illness has fixed mental illness right up eh[/QUOTE] uhm... are you comparing mental illness to fatness??? hahaha [editline]25th January 2013[/editline] people getting fat is their own damn fault (with rare exceptions. like diseases and stuff), and while i think actively shaming them out may be taking it a bit too far, i dont ever think obesity should not be looked down at.

[QUOTE=kevlar jens;39348085]just kill all fat people [editline]25th January 2013[/editline] uhm... are you comparing mental illness to fatness??? hahaha [editline]25th January 2013[/editline] people getting fat is their own damn fault (with rare exceptions. like diseases and stuff), and while i think actively shaming them out may be taking it a bit too far, i dont ever think obesity should not be looked down at.[/QUOTE] Getting to insanely high weights due to eating disorders has it's hands firmly planted in mental illness

[QUOTE=kevlar jens;39348085]just kill all fat people [editline]25th January 2013[/editline] uhm... are you comparing mental illness to fatness??? hahaha [editline]25th January 2013[/editline] people getting fat is their own damn fault (with rare exceptions. like diseases and stuff), and while i think actively shaming them out may be taking it a bit too far, i dont ever think obesity should not be looked down at.[/QUOTE] did u even read the thread

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;39348163]Getting to insanely high weights due to eating disorders has it's hands firmly planted in mental illness[/QUOTE] Yeah, this is also something I can absolutely agree with. The best friend I described earlier, the food inhaler, well it's not just a food thing, he will consume literally anything you put in front of him, which has led to somewhat of an alcohol problem too. I've tried to talk to him about self-control before, I told him about how self-control is when there's something you want, you know you want it, it's right in front of you and you can easily take it, but you keep yourself from doing it, that's self control. But he said to me, and literally I quote, "no dude, fuck you, it has nothing to do with that, if I want something, I'm going to fucking have it." Clearly there's some real element of mental illness there. It really sounds like dialog from an episode of hoarders. But I personally think it has a lot to do with the raising of the person and the lifestyle values that the parents instill into the child.

You know what happens when you do that? They either become anorexic or fatter.

[QUOTE=The golden;39346022]In other news, self-harm and suicide through the ceiling.[/QUOTE] being obese already is self harm [editline]24th January 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=RichyZ;39346760]we should call all anorexic people skinny faggots then they'll start eating lol[/QUOTE] except this actually works, many people changed from skinny phaggots to ripped kunts

[QUOTE=Lemonator;39348248]being obese already is self harm [editline]24th January 2013[/editline] except this actually works, many people changed from skinny phaggots to ripped kunts[/QUOTE] but anorexics won't go from bone to ripped.

[QUOTE=Lemonator;39348248]except this actually works, many people changed from skinny phaggots to ripped kunts[/QUOTE] Citation needed.

[QUOTE=Lemonator;39348248]being obese already is self harm [editline]24th January 2013[/editline] except this actually works, many people changed from skinny phaggots to ripped kunts[/QUOTE] hi can you please stop saying socially awkward comments that mean nothing danke spasibo