Santorum: Doctors Providing Abortions To Rape And Incest Victims Should Be Arrested - Polidicks

yes they do they are direct evidence against your evidence. the same type of evidence even assuming you both have an equal number of anecdotes, we are back where we started.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;30445697]Wow did I say they weren't? No, they very clearly are. Yes, because when I say that, i'm speaking of specific cases where I can think of a father doing something terrible. Like stealing the kid from the mother and running away for a month, returning the kid malnourished and sickened. Or like the instance of a dad fearing he'd lose custody of the kid, drank himself into a stupor, and beat the kid. Hell, I have seriously, 50 or 60 of these to recall. I'm not, and have never been saying mothers can't be bad mothers, but there's a fucking reason for that so called "sexism". It's only fucking sexism because you're interpreting as so, but statistics themselves say nothing at all. It doesn't imply sexism to anyone who actually has any grasp on statistics. I'm done with this thread and the rest of the posters should be too, you're the new glaber.[/QUOTE] what you said implied all dads are douche bags that is misandrous no matter what you say to justify that you cant make the claim that saying most dads are douche bags is not misandrous

which we weren't all that far from anyways

[QUOTE=yawmwen;30445724]what you said implied all dads are douche bags that is misandrous no matter what you say to justify that you cant make the claim that saying most dads are douche bags is not misandrous[/QUOTE] I don't think it implied that at all. He's just saying that maybe, just maybe, there's a reason why most custody cases go to the mother. Besides, he said that his own father is a divorce lawyer. How could he call his own dad a douche bag? It seems to me he admires him, or at least respects him.

and i appreciate ya guys leavin this thread i literally cannot argue if no one is making posts to argue against, i wish i had money to check this compulsive thing out its gotten a lot worse over the last few months [editline]14th June 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Penultimate;30445816]I don't think it implied that at all. He's just saying that maybe, just maybe, there's a reason why most custody cases go to the mother. Besides, he said that his own father is a divorce lawyer. How could he call his own dad a douche bag? It seems to me he admires him, or at least respects him.[/QUOTE] the wording implied it [editline]14th June 2011[/editline] and i said his dad was misandrous, not him

[QUOTE=yawmwen;30444992]when its another persons child a right is infringed upon what if a surrogate mother got impregnated then just aborted the baby?[/QUOTE] The difference here is that a surrogate mother is under contract to be paid in some form of currency or service in which she allows to be impregnated and give birth to a baby to a couple incapable of having one. And if she did, then the contract is considered null and void, lawsuits might apply also.

Holy shit Yawmwen, you are.. crazy.. If you want to argue about mens rights over a womans body you would be probably be better off arguing for the right of a man to have some say on aborting. At least that makes ever so slightly more sense.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;30440598]yea i do because there is no logical reason that a human being is not alive when in the womb one second but alive when it exits the womb the next second[/QUOTE] Just use the definition of living that any person with a brain uses; A human with higher brain functions. Babies have them, old people have them, people with EXTREMELY severe mental disabilities have them. You know who don't? The dead, and the unborn because they aren't alive yet. Now let's have an educational time here and dissect the word "unborn" Born; That you've been born, the start of your life. Un-;A negative Un-born; Not born yet. Not living yet.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;30445818]and i appreciate ya guys leavin this thread i literally cannot argue if no one is making posts to argue against, i wish i had money to check this compulsive thing out its gotten a lot worse over the last few months [editline]14th June 2011[/editline] the wording implied it [editline]14th June 2011[/editline] and i said his dad was misandrous, not him[/QUOTE] I just ignore your rampant retardation, for the record. Between your utterly childish mindset and zero idea of what proper Spelling, Punctuation and Grammar even are, I literally have to inclination to intelligently debate with you, as "intelligent" isn't part of your psyche. :colbert: I believe I speak for everyone present when I say that.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;30445724]what you said implied all dads are douche bags that is misandrous no matter what you say to justify that you cant make the claim that saying most dads are douche bags is not misandrous[/QUOTE] No it doesn't imply that at all. It also doesn't imply my dad thinks that. It only implies that my dad has had to deal more douchebag dads than douchebag moms. There are both of each, that's a fact, my statement only ever implied that there are more douchebagy fathers than douchebaggy mothers.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;30445460]I wonder if that's because in a lot of cases the dad just didn't deserve custody... Wow, I mean, who would have guessed that people who go to custody battles aren't equally likely to get the kid...[/QUOTE] might also be the deeply ingrained gender role that says women are naturally suited for raising children.

[QUOTE=Madman_Andre;30450623]I just ignore your rampant retardation, for the record. Between your utterly childish mindset and zero idea of what proper Spelling, Punctuation and Grammar even are, I literally have to inclination to intelligently debate with you, as "intelligent" isn't part of your psyche. :colbert: I believe I speak for everyone present when I say that.[/QUOTE] well arent you hot shit oh man madman andre thinks hes is smart, that makes him better than me protip: im a lot smarter than you, im more intelligent, educated, knowledgeable. until you get a clue i suggest you stop posting [QUOTE=HumanAbyss;30450931]No it doesn't imply that at all. It also doesn't imply my dad thinks that. It only implies that my dad has had to deal more douchebag dads than douchebag moms. There are both of each, that's a fact, my statement only ever implied that there are more douchebagy fathers than douchebaggy mothers.[/QUOTE] yea it does il use racism, another form of discrimination, as an example the statement "how thieving black people are" is racist, because it implies black people are inherently thieving, is it ok to say that if i am a lawyer and most thieves are black people? the way you worded that phrase was misandrous [editline]14th June 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Lambeth;30451114]might also be the deeply ingrained gender role that says women are naturally suited for raising children.[/QUOTE] if thats alright then saying men should be allowed to command their wife isnt sexist because as far as gender roles go men are dominant and take a dominant role in a relationship

[QUOTE=yawmwen;30452436] if thats alright then saying men should be allowed to command their wife isnt sexist because as far as gender roles go men are dominant and take a dominant role in a relationship[/QUOTE] neither are alright could you please take a break from the internet

[QUOTE=Sanius;30452515]neither are alright[/quote] ok good, thats fine [quote]could you please take a break from the internet[/QUOTE] is my presence here bothering you?

Yawmwen can you please explain to me if you believe a sperm dieing is equal to a child dieing? Both a sperm and a fetus have the same level of intelligence, and they both have the same potential for it too. Would a man be murdering millions every time he masturbates? How far back is it enough for something to not be considered a child for you?

[QUOTE=ChilColdCoolaid;30453510]Yawmwen can you please explain to me if you believe a sperm dieing is equal to a child dieing? Both a sperm and a fetus have the same level of intelligence, and they both have the same potential for it too.[/QUOTE] no they dont, a fetus is comparably intelligent as a human infant [quote]Would a man be murdering millions every time he masturbates? How far back is it enough for something to not be considered a child for you?[/quote]uh a fetus is when it becomes a human being

[QUOTE=yawmwen;30452436]well arent you hot shit oh man madman andre thinks hes is smart, that makes him better than me protip: im a lot smarter than you, im more intelligent, educated, knowledgeable. until you get a clue i suggest you stop posting [/quote] Man you let your arrogance get in the way of being reasonable, don't you? [QUOTE=yawmwen;30452436] yea it does il use racism, another form of discrimination, as an example the statement "how thieving black people are" is racist, because it implies black people are inherently thieving, is it ok to say that if i am a lawyer and most thieves are black people? the way you worded that phrase was misandrous [/QUOTE] So my phrasing was, but my intent was clearly not, this leaves you were? Bitching about phrasing for 2 pages rather than moving on in the argument and actually confronting the point I make. [QUOTE=yawmwen;30452436] if thats alright then saying men should be allowed to command their wife isnt sexist because as far as gender roles go men are dominant and take a dominant role in a relationship[/QUOTE] Wow, hit it out of left field didn't you.... That's not even close to what he was getting at.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;30453737]no they dont, a fetus is comparably intelligent as a human infant uh a fetus is when it becomes a human being[/QUOTE] A fetus is not a human being until it becomes sentient, which happens around 8-12 weeks.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;30453737]no they dont, a fetus is comparably intelligent as a human infant uh a fetus is when it becomes a human being[/QUOTE] [Citation needed] You saying it is a well known fact also is as good as a citation from Glaber saying it's a fact.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;30454608]Man you let your arrogance get in the way of being reasonable, don't you? [/quote] in response to madmans pretentiousness [quote]So my phrasing was, but my intent was clearly not, this leaves you were? Bitching about phrasing for 2 pages rather than moving on in the argument and actually confronting the point I make. [/quote] ok [quote]Wow, hit it out of left field didn't you.... Actually, no. Men have no reason at all to have control over a woman in a relationship with them. Men are more dominant in relationships? Wow, you call us misogynist and then you whip this out?[/QUOTE] the point went over your head didnt it im saying if the gender role perception that a woman is more suitable to care for a child is acceptable the gender role perception that men are dominant over women is acceptable [QUOTE=ChilColdCoolaid;30454613]A fetus is not a human being until it becomes sentient, which happens around 8-12 weeks.[/QUOTE] its not a fetus until around 8-12 weeks [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fetus[/url] before that its an embryo [editline]14th June 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=HumanAbyss;30454648][Citation needed] You saying it is a well known fact also is as good as a citation from Glaber saying it's a fact.[/QUOTE] i already posted the sources a page or 2 back, they are intelligent creatures capable of most the things an infant is

[QUOTE=yawmwen;30454714]in response to madmans pretentiousness ok the point went over your head didnt it im saying if the gender role perception that a woman is more suitable to care for a child is acceptable the gender role perception that men are dominant over women is acceptable its not a fetus until around 8-12 weeks [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fetus[/url] before that its an embryo [editline]14th June 2011[/editline] i already posted the sources a page or 2 back, they are intelligent creatures capable of most the things an infant is[/QUOTE] No, I understood the point, that doesn't make it a good one. Because every stereotype is unfounded and completely unreasonable. Right? Women are considered to be better parents because they have been found to be in a lot of situations. I'm not speaking misandrously or anything of the sort, because men can be amazing and fantastic fathers. [b]But the simple fucking fact of the matter is you're basing all this off of a statistic, which only stated women won more custody battles. It stated NOTHING of why those reasons are. It's not a sexist or misandrous system because there's nothing about it that determines it to be from ONE STATISTIC.[/b]

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;30454821]No, I understood the point, that doesn't make it a good one. Because every stereotype is unfounded and completely unreasonable. Right? Women are considered to be better parents because they have been found to be in a lot of situations. [/QUOTE] black people are considered to be thieves because they have been found to be in a lot of situations this is completely alright because its backed by real life situations men are considered to be dominant in a relationship because they have been found to be in a lot of situations this is completely alright [editline]14th June 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=HumanAbyss;30454821] [B]But the simple fucking fact of the matter is you're basing all this off of a statistic, which only stated women won more custody battles. It stated NOTHING of why those reasons are. It's not a sexist or misandrous system because there's nothing about it that determines it to be from ONE STATISTIC.[/B][/QUOTE] im not even arguing about that anymore because if your too dense to realize the obvious rampant sexism and racism in the custody courts im not going to be able to convince you

[QUOTE=yawmwen;30454714] its not a fetus until around 8-12 weeks [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fetus[/url] before that its an embryo [/QUOTE]I meant 8-12 weeks after the fetal stage. Forgot to mention that. Though I thought that starting my sentence with "a fetus is not a human until" would imply that.

[QUOTE=ChilColdCoolaid;30454919]I meant 8-12 weeks after the fetal stage. Forgot to mention that.[/QUOTE] ok whatever it doesnt matter iv been talking about the 26-40 week period anyways

[QUOTE=yawmwen;30454963]ok whatever it doesnt matter iv been talking about the 26-40 week period anyways[/QUOTE] I'm pretty sure that's considered late term and the only way you can get an abortion at that point is if a doctor agrees that your life is in danger.

[QUOTE=ChilColdCoolaid;30455007]I'm pretty sure that's considered late term and the only way you can get an abortion at that point is if a doctor agrees that your life is in danger.[/QUOTE] [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Late-term_abortion#Incidence[/url] no not really

[QUOTE=yawmwen;30455087][url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Late-term_abortion#Incidence[/url] no not really[/QUOTE]I think it's pretty reasonable to assume that the number of abortions past the 24th week being about 0.08% are probably due to life threatening situations.

[QUOTE=ChilColdCoolaid;30455171]I think it's pretty reasonable to assume that the number of abortions past the 24th week being about 0.08% are probably due to life threatening situations.[/QUOTE] do you have evidence it is?

[QUOTE=yawmwen;30454853]black people are considered to be thieves because they have been found to be in a lot of situations this is completely alright because its backed by real life situations men are considered to be dominant in a relationship because they have been found to be in a lot of situations this is completely alright [editline]14th June 2011[/editline] im not even arguing about that anymore because if your too dense to realize the obvious rampant sexism and racism in the custody courts im not going to be able to convince you[/QUOTE] Uh, I don't know about you, but ever since the sexual revolution, women have been more and more dominant in society and in relationships. If you haven't noticed that most marriages are run by women in a lot of ways, then you haven't payed attention to culture for 20 years. Yeah, i'm too dense to be convinced [b]BY ONE STATISTIC YOU INTERPRETED[/b]. Right. I'm aware of sexism in those courts, I'm aware of how hard it is for a dad to get custody, I've seen my dad fight for a dads rights(so misandrous of him) and it's a slightly slanted system, here at the very least, but there's a reason for that. [editline]14th June 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=yawmwen;30455202]do you have evidence it is?[/QUOTE] Do you have evidence your statistic is supported by every dad that lost custody was a 100% qualified parent equally with the mother? No, but you require us to flesh our points out for you?

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;30455396]Uh, I don't know about you, but ever since the sexual revolution, women have been more and more dominant in society and in relationships. If you haven't noticed that most marriages are run by women in a lot of ways, then you haven't payed attention to culture for 20 years. Yeah, i'm too dense to be convinced [b]BY ONE STATISTIC YOU INTERPRETED[/b]. Right. I'm aware of sexism in those courts, I'm aware of how hard it is for a dad to get custody, I've seen my dad fight for a dads rights(so misandrous of him) and it's a slightly slanted system, here at the very least, but there's a reason for that.[/quote] you say its not a slanted system then you say it is a slanted system then you say there is a reason its slanted to justify it? [quote]Do you have evidence your statistic is supported by every dad that lost custody was a 100% qualified parent equally with the mother? No, but you require us to flesh our points out for you?[/QUOTE] its a double edge sword bro