Santorum: Doctors Providing Abortions To Rape And Incest Victims Should Be Arrested - Polidicks

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;30465415]Subjective observations about reality are just that.[/QUOTE] fact is a subjective observation about reality [QUOTE=Zeke129;30466774]Fortunately the law doesn't follow your middle ages-inspired viewpoints[/QUOTE] progressive and equality inspired actually [QUOTE=sp00ks;30467043]You have a very weird idea of what constitutes a human being. A fetus that is only a couple of weeks old is not really a human being. It might become one on day, but so might all the semen you waste by masturbating. [/QUOTE] a child is a child when it develops a brain and sentience, a potential human is not a human

[QUOTE=Last or First;30464354]You don't know anything about abortion, do you. I mean, if you think a late term abortion is "mercilessly slaughtering a living child", then... well, again, you don't know anything about abortion. 1. Women don't get abortions at the drop of a hat. It's an incredibly invasive procedure, is very emotional, and not something that anyone would do without thinking about first. Which is why they think about it first. Ergo, not 'merciless'. 2. Unless if she's getting an abortion a week before before the baby is due (in which case I'm pretty sure it would just be simpler / saner / much more likely that she gets a c-section), aborting a fetus is not the same as stabbing a baby. Also, I'm tempted to ask why your ex broke up with you. It's not like it's any less relevant than arguing about custody suits and going back and forth about "75%" "nuh-uh" "yah-huh" "nuh-uh" "yah-huh" for eternity. And you did mention that she had an abortion 'without your permission'. You don't have to, though.[/QUOTE] When women get abortions they don't look like this [img]http://www.everydaysnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/pregnant_women.jpg[/img] It looks more like this [img]http://images.inmagine.com/img/uppercutrf/ucrf008/ucsi007375.jpg[/img] They're just a clump of cells at that point. [editline]15th June 2011[/editline] Every article talking about abortions seem to have a picture of a woman heavily pregnant which is really misleading. [editline]15th June 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Meller Yeller;30464355]Incest victims? How does that work? I mean they obviously weren't raped or had it forced on them or they would be in the other category which means the sex was voluntary so how are they a "victim"?[/QUOTE] It's often someone older with authority who takes advantage of a boy or girl without them realizing it is a bad thing. [editline]15th June 2011[/editline] so it is a little bit of a grey area

[QUOTE=Kopimi;30440535]"i believe life begins at conception" really? because i believe that rick santorum is satan. ball is in your court dipshit you can't pass a law on the premise of "WELL IN MY OPINION" how about, life starts when you are a conscious being outside of the womb? you know, the type of definition that LOGICAL people believe in[/QUOTE] You are now my favorite poster.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;30474629]fact is a subjective observation about reality progressive and equality inspired actually a child is a child when it develops a brain and sentience, a potential human is not a human[/QUOTE] your views aren't equal. You're just arguing this all out of emotionality so who cares anyways.

[QUOTE=Meller Yeller;30464355]Incest victims? How does that work? I mean they obviously weren't raped or had it forced on them or they would be in the other category which means the sex was voluntary so how are they a "victim"?[/QUOTE] A lot of times it's like a father who has sex with their 8 year old girl. It's not like two mentally stable 20-somethings going at it.

wouldn't that count as rape anyway? I'm not really familiar with rape laws but whatever

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;30475432]your views aren't equal. You're just arguing this all out of emotionality so who cares anyways.[/QUOTE] ok im still right, iv thought about going into politics just for this, but i dunno

[QUOTE=yawmwen;30475899]iv thought about going into politics [/QUOTE] I really hope you change your mind.

[QUOTE=PvtCupcakes;30475962]I really hope you change your mind.[/QUOTE] i really hope you vote for me

[QUOTE=yawmwen;30475899]ok im still right, iv thought about going into politics just for this, but i dunno[/QUOTE] I really hope you realize what you want to do isn't right. I get that you had a girl pregnant, and she had an abortion without your say so, I get that this hurts and is a difficult set of feelings to deal with. But that doesn't mean the man gets any say over the woman's body just because of a few drops of sperm. . That's her right, as it should be, because your body isn't connected to the fetus, is it? The Fetus isn't a person until it's left the mother, until then it's an elaborate parasite. The woman is who has control of the baby when its in HER body. You don't get a say over that, why should you? You don't have to endure anything. Just because you gave genetic fluid to her doesn't mean you get any say in what goes on in her body. You know man, this is why I can't stand it when people argue from emotionality, it's irrational, and it gets you nowhere.

If pretty much any GOP candidate gets elected, the US is in serious trouble.

Where the hell do people get these ideas from...

[QUOTE=yawmwen;30464319]the father has control over the child until it is born(and after), the woman cedes that control when she wants to murder it. [editline]15th June 2011[/editline] because its a solid logical interpretation and there is no way you can come to a factual conclusion with the data provided so interpretation is all you can do[/QUOTE] hold the phone right here, can you explain why the father gets control over the fetus that's in a woman's body? also nice job misapplying the term 'murder'

[QUOTE=yawmwen;30474629] a child is a child when it develops a brain and sentience, a potential human is not a human[/QUOTE] A child develops a brain long before it can use it.

[QUOTE=SgtCr4zyAlt;30479463]hold the phone right here, can you explain why the father gets control over the fetus that's in a woman's body? also nice job misapplying the term 'murder'[/QUOTE] Because that kid is his too?

[QUOTE=johan_sm;30479971]Because that kid is his too?[/QUOTE] What's his contribution to the period in which she's pregnant? Zero. Nothing. All the work comes from the mother, why should he be the one that's in control? On a sidenote, I bet there's a few incredibly jealous moles who would like to talk to yawmwen about his hole-digging abilities.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;30474629]fact is a subjective observation about reality[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=yawmwen;30474629]fact is subjective[/QUOTE] Oh god what?

[QUOTE=ThisGuy0;30480457]Oh god what?[/QUOTE] That's pretty much what I've been thinking, reading through the last few pages. It's staggering how completely moronic someone can be.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;30476232]I really hope you realize what you want to do isn't right. I get that you had a girl pregnant, and she had an abortion without your say so, I get that this hurts and is a difficult set of feelings to deal with. But that doesn't mean the man gets any say over the woman's body just because of a few drops of sperm. . That's her right, as it should be, because your body isn't connected to the fetus, is it? The Fetus isn't a person until it's left the mother, until then it's an elaborate parasite. The woman is who has control of the baby when its in HER body. You don't get a say over that, why should you? You don't have to endure anything. Just because you gave genetic fluid to her doesn't mean you get any say in what goes on in her body. You know man, this is why I can't stand it when people argue from emotionality, it's irrational, and it gets you nowhere.[/QUOTE] politics and ideology come from emotion if you deny that your political and ideological beliefs come from emotion then you arent really in touch with yourself [QUOTE=ThisGuy0;30480457]Oh god what?[/QUOTE] this is a philosophical argument so i can understand why you cant comprehend it [editline]15th June 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=SgtCr4zyAlt;30479463]hold the phone right here, can you explain why the father gets control over the fetus that's in a woman's body? also nice job misapplying the term 'murder'[/QUOTE] because its the fathers child as well [QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;30480192]What's his contribution to the period in which she's pregnant? Zero. Nothing. All the work comes from the mother, why should he be the one that's in control?[/QUOTE] il agree with that, the father should pay for all the medical procedures and any nutrition above and beyond the norm the father wants her to consume(as well as what the "mother" wants to consume). he should also provide "comfort" items as well, such as maternity clothes. [quote]On a sidenote, I bet there's a few incredibly jealous moles who would like to talk to yawmwen about his hole-digging abilities.[/quote]il kick their ass

[QUOTE=yawmwen;30480917]this is a philosophical argument so i can understand why you cant comprehend it[/QUOTE] I'm fairly certain that saying fact is subjective isn't called philosophy it's called being wrong.

[QUOTE=ThisGuy0;30481380]I'm fairly certain that saying fact is subjective isn't called philosophy it's called being wrong.[/QUOTE] no its not its actually pretty true

[QUOTE=yawmwen;30481874]no its not its actually pretty true[/QUOTE] Please explain how fact, something which by definition is the exact opposite of subjective, is subjective. I assume you're going down the 'what we consider fact is determined by our perception of the world' route, but that does not make fact subjective, it simply means that what people consider to be fact can actually be wrong.

[QUOTE=ThisGuy0;30482010]Please explain how fact, something whcih by definition is the exact opposite of subjective, is subjective. I assume you're going down the 'what we consider fact is determined by our perception of the world' route, but that does not make fact subjective,[/quote] thats what it is [quote]it simply means that what people consider to be fact can actually be wrong.[/QUOTE] no it simply changes what fact is, my idea of what is fact is no more valid, and no less true, than your idea of what fact is

[QUOTE=yawmwen;30482039]thats what it is no it simply changes what fact is, my idea of what is fact is no more valid, and no less true, than your idea of what fact is[/QUOTE] So if I were to say that a bullet to the head cures cancer, that would be fact so long as I believe it?

[QUOTE=ThisGuy0;30482064]So if I were to say that a bullet to the head cures cancer, that would be fact so long as I believe it?[/QUOTE] to you, in your universe, it would be fact

[QUOTE=yawmwen;30482086]to you, in your universe, it would be fact[/QUOTE] My universe being my subjective perception. The physical world is not determined by human perception. Point being that I would [i]think[/i] it was fact, which is not the same as it actually being fact.

[QUOTE=ThisGuy0;30482114]My universe being my subjective perception. The physical world is not determined by human perception.[/QUOTE] for all intents and purposes it is the physical world does not exist without your subjective perception, and we shape the physical world with nothing but our subjective perception

[QUOTE=yawmwen;30464571]not really no, your wrong[/QUOTE] not really no, your wrong [QUOTE=yawmwen;30481874]no its not its actually pretty true[/QUOTE] no its not its actually pretty wrong Well damn, your logic is just gonna keep circling itself. By the way, fact is not subjective. Fact is objective or subjective. Subjective facts are based on interpretation or opinion and is mostly used for things like music and art. Objective facts are based on solid scientific or mathematical data and is unbiased.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;30482140]for all intents and purposes it is the physical world does not exist without your subjective perception, and we shape the physical world with nothing but our subjective perception[/QUOTE] So if I were to believes that being hit by a car would not harm me, then that would be fact within my perceptive universe? The only way that can be true is if if I were actually hit by a car and were not harmed, and obviously I would be. Regardless of any philosophy, the simple fact is that believing you are invincible does does make it so.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;30482140]for all intents and purposes it is the physical world does not exist without your subjective perception, and we shape the physical world with nothing but our subjective perception[/QUOTE] You're bad at this.