Santorum: Doctors Providing Abortions To Rape And Incest Victims Should Be Arrested - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Keyblockor;30487588][B]No the fetus does not have thought that concerns their independant person because it is still in the womb attached to the mother. [/B][/QUOTE] proof of that?

[QUOTE=yawmwen;30487556]you justify murder on the basis that the one being killed is inferior to you so is a fetus around 20 weeks[/QUOTE] but is there any sense of memory? any sense of "person" or just errant brain connectivity?

Does a chick have independent thought while still in the egg?

[QUOTE=yawmwen;30487595]proof of that?[/QUOTE] If you ask me for proof then I demand you show your proof first as you have said it before me in chronological order.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;30487595]proof of that?[/QUOTE] Every day common sense. VERY common sense at that. Your not self aware till your like, 4-6

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;30487603]but is there any sense of memory? any sense of "person" or just errant brain connectivity?[/QUOTE] yes, sense of memory and consciousness, i posted sources a few pages back [QUOTE=J!NX;30487631]Every day common sense. VERY common sense at that.[/QUOTE] thats not proof [QUOTE=Keyblockor;30487621]If you ask me for proof then I demand you show your proof first as you have said it before me in chronological order.[/QUOTE] already posted proof a few pages back [editline]16th June 2011[/editline] page 3 to be precise

[QUOTE=yawmwen;30487663]yes, sense of memory and consciousness, i posted sources a few pages back thats not proof already posted proof a few [B]threads[/B] back [editline]16th June 2011[/editline] page 3 to be precise[/QUOTE] wat ^ not a typo Please stop making typos

[QUOTE=J!NX;30487681]wat[/QUOTE] typo sry

[QUOTE=yawmwen;30487663]yes, sense of memory and consciousness, i posted sources a few pages back thats not proof already posted proof a few threads back[/QUOTE] a few [B]threads?[/B] I demand you go back, take it and post a link to it here for the opposition to read. Either that or I can say the same thing you said. thats not proof.

[QUOTE=Keyblockor;30487698]a few [B]threads?[/B] I demand you go back, take it and post a link to it here for the opposition to read. Either that or I can say the same thing you said. thats not proof.[/QUOTE] go to page 3 lazy ass [editline]16th June 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=J!NX;30487681]wat ^ not a typo Please stop making typos[/QUOTE] lol easier said then done when your not good at typing

do you get tire of repeating the same things over and over again yawmwen because you can stop at any point

[QUOTE=yawmwen;30487758]go to page 3 lazy ass [editline]16th June 2011[/editline] lol easier said then done when your not good at typing[/QUOTE] lol your not good at typing :downs:

[QUOTE=J!NX;30487784]lol your not good at typing :downs:[/QUOTE] i know im not thats what i was getting it i wasnt saying your as in you, i was saying your as in me [QUOTE=Lambeth;30487780]do you get tire of repeating the same things over and over again yawmwen because you can stop at any point[/QUOTE] so can you guys lol

I'm not really contributing, if you notice.

[quote]presence of fetal short-term memory of 10 minutes at 30 weeks[/quote] Wow, how ever impressive. This isn't enough to warrant mans control over a womans fetal stages.

yea it does, a man has a right to protect his child

[QUOTE=yawmwen;30487920]yea it does, a man has a right to protect his child[/QUOTE] It's not his child until it leaves the woman.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;30487150]because it gives the man an equal say in the death of a child.[/QUOTE] Actually, it doesn't. Having veto power means having more power, and in this decision someone needs veto power. The only clean way to do this is to give more power to the party that actually bears 100% of the responsibility of giving birth, the mother.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;30487933]It's not his child until it leaves the woman.[/QUOTE] its his child when it turns into a fetus and becomes self aware around 20 weeks [QUOTE=Zeke129;30487944]Actually, it doesn't. Having veto power means having more power, and in this decision someone needs veto power.[/quote] no actually having veto power over a decision gives the person equal power [quote]The only clean way to do this is to give more power to the party that actually bears 100% of the responsibility of giving birth, the mother.[/QUOTE] thats not a clean way of doing it because if it ends up killing another persons child that is morally reprehensible

[QUOTE=yawmwen;30487979]its his child when it turns into a fetus and becomes self aware around 20 weeks no actually having veto power over a decision gives the person equal power thats not a clean way of doing it because if it ends up killing another persons child that is morally reprehensible[/QUOTE] You're drawing this conclusion from evidence that itself doesn't point to the conclusion you say it does. You're doing what santorum does.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;30488023]You're drawing this conclusion from evidence that itself doesn't point to the conclusion you say it does.[/QUOTE] wat? [quote]You're doing what santorum does.[/quote]ad hominem edit: or genetic fallacy maybe

[QUOTE=yawmwen;30487979] thats not a clean way of doing it because if it ends up killing another persons child that is morally reprehensible[/QUOTE] At which point during the pregnancy do you consider it a child, out of curiosity?

[QUOTE=Zeke129;30488050]At which point during the pregnancy do you consider it a child, out of curiosity?[/QUOTE] around 20 weeks

Having veto power doesn't give equal power, what the hell are you on? If two people had the ability to buy property, but one had veto power then there's more power given to the person with the veto power than the other who doesn't and it forces the other person without the veto power to live by what the person with the veto power thus it isn't equal at all.

actually more around 23-26 weeks

[QUOTE=Keyblockor;30488075] If two people had the ability to buy property, but one had veto power then there's more power given to the person with the veto power than the other who doesn't and it forces the other person without the veto power to live by what the person with the veto power thus it isn't equal at all.[/QUOTE] not if both have veto power

[QUOTE=yawmwen;30488076]actually more around 23-26 weeks[/QUOTE] So before that do you think it should be 100% the woman's call? I'm not looking to start agreeing with you, just painting a picture

[quote] but little is known about the exact timing or for how long memory lasts.[/quote] What more do you need?

[QUOTE=Zeke129;30488090]So before that do you think it should be 100% the woman's call? I'm not looking to start agreeing with you, just painting a picture[/QUOTE] yea, before the fetus develops self consciousness and its senses it is not the fathers or mothers child, because it isnt a child

[QUOTE=yawmwen;30488089]not if both have veto power[/QUOTE] Then how the fuck does it work, it's an analogy for your thinking of abortion.