Santorum: Doctors Providing Abortions To Rape And Incest Victims Should Be Arrested
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post #1: my argument is that you're making things up
post #2: my argument is that comparing a fetus to a retarded person is ignorant and bigoted
post #3: yeah im trolling
lets compare to your post:
[QUOTE=yawmwen;30441194]i assault people on my down time i gotta finish making sure you know how much of a sociopath you are first[/QUOTE]
haha xD nice man rely good counter rofl
so are you pro choice or pro life?
[QUOTE=yawmwen;30441285]no and no
google ad hominem, learn what it is
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seriousness doesnt mean shit
you reverted to personal attacks when you didnt have an argument[/QUOTE]
Except that he did have an argument, alongside completely correct and viable insults against you. He had a few points. You had none. All you did is mock his point of view by taking it to the extremes, as well as throwing irrelevant subjects in. You never held a point, and your entire side of the discussion was mindless, aimless, and once you ran out of space to run around you started attacking him, and not his point. That is what Ad Hominem is.
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post #2: my argument is that comparing a fetus to a retarded person is ignorant and bigoted
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no it isnt, you never even supported that argument you just assumed you were right
[quote]so are you pro choice or pro life?[/QUOTE]
read:
[QUOTE=yawmwen;30440932]i think abortion is an issue between the mother, father, and doctor, it is not the business of anyone but those 3 parties
if a mother is willing to kill her unborn child, if a father is willing to kill his unborn child, and a trained physician is willing to perform the procedure it is acceptable, but you cannot deny that the act is killing an unborn human being[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=gufu;30441345]Except that he did have an argument, alongside completely correct and viable insults against you. He had a few points. You had none. All you did is mock his point of view by taking it to the extremes, as well as throwing irrelevant subjects in. You never held a point, and your entire side of the discussion was mindless, aimless, and once you ran out of space to run around you started attacking him, and not his point. That is what Ad Hominem is.[/QUOTE]
lol no it isnt
google ad hominem
tell me what it is once you finally figure out how to open up a new browser page and type into google
[QUOTE=yawmwen;30441389]
lol no it isnt
google ad hominem
[/QUOTE]
Alright then. Why don't YOU tell me what Ad Hominem is, if you're such a lighthouse of brilliance?
[QUOTE=gufu;30441401]Alright then. Why don't YOU tell me what Ad Hominem is, if you're such a lighthouse of brilliance?[/QUOTE]
ad hominem is dis-regarding an argument or standpoint based on the person who made it, not the merit of the argument or standpoint
a famous example of ad hominem is: "hitler was a vegetarian, therefore vegetarianism is evil because hitler is evil"
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[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem[/url]
[QUOTE=yawmwen;30441389]no it isnt, you never even supported that argument you just assumed you were right
read:
lol no it isnt
google ad hominem
tell me what it is once you finally figure out how to open up a new browser page and type into google[/QUOTE]
you want to know why its ignorant to compare a retarded person and a fetus?
a retarded person feels emotion. they feel pain. they have memories. they have developed personalities.
they have friends. they have families. they have likes and dislikes. they are alive, a fetus is not.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;30441424]ad hominem is dis-regarding an argument or standpoint based on the person who made it, not the merit of the argument or standpoint
a famous example of ad hominem is: "hitler was a vegetarian, therefore vegetarianism is evil because hitler is evil"
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[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem[/url][/QUOTE]
No, you understood it wrong.
The correct example is "You are a vegetarian, and therefore cannot be part of this meat-related discussion." The Hitler example is a completely different argument.
[QUOTE=Kopimi;30441440]you want to know why its ignorant to compare a retarded person and a fetus?
a retarded person feels emotion. they feel pain. they have memories. they have developed personalities.
they have friends. they have families. they have likes and dislikes. they are alive, a fetus is not.[/QUOTE]
wait wat?
a fetus feels emotion, they feel pain, they have memories, they have family, and they have the same amount of personality as a 1 year old, they only lack likes and dislikes because they havent had the time to get them
and they are alive
7 characteristics of life:
[B]Cells
[/B][B]Homeostasis
[/B][B]Heredity
[/B][B]Use of Energy
[/B][B]Reproduction
[/B][B]Response to Environment
[/B][B]Evolution and Adaptation
[/B]they follow these characteristics and are thus a living organism
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[QUOTE=gufu;30441466]No, you understood it wrong.
The correct example is "You are a vegetarian, and therefore cannot be part of this meat-related discussion." The Hitler example is a completely different argument.[/QUOTE]
no, then what argument is it?
these are examples of ad hominem
[quote]White men are "privileged", so they can't comment on female oppression.
That [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boris_Godunov_%28opera%29"]Boris Godunov[/URL] was the favorite opera of [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Stalin"]Joseph Stalin[/URL] indicates the worthlessness of the opera.
[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sylvia_Plath"]Sylvia Plath[/URL] was a depressive who eventually committed suicide, so her works are unreadable.
[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leni_Riefenstahl"]Leni Riefenstahl[/URL] was a Nazi, so her film [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Triumph_of_the_Will"]The Triumph of the Will[/URL] is devoid of merit.[/quote]
that is ad hominem
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also:
[quote]
Gratuitous [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Verbal_abuse"]verbal abuse[/URL] or "name-calling" itself is [I]not[/I] an [I]ad hominem[/I] or a [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logical_fallacy"]logical fallacy[/URL].[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem#cite_note-Fallacy_Files-5"][6][/URL][URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem#cite_note-plover.net-6"][7][/URL][URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem#cite_note-7"][8][/URL][URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem#cite_note-8"][9][/URL][URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem#cite_note-9"][10][/URL]
In order to become a fallacy, the insult would need to given as a reason for believing some conclusion, for example, "X is idiotically ignorant [of politics], so why should we listen to him now?"[/quote]
[QUOTE=yawmwen;30441490]wait wat?
a fetus feels emotion, they feel pain, they have memories, they have family, and they have the same amount of personality as a 1 year old, they only lack likes and dislikes because they havent had the time to get them
and they are alive
[/B]they follow these characteristics and are thus a living organism
[/QUOTE]
Do you have a source for this or did you just pull your information out of your ass?
How about letting women decide if they want an abortion or not.
Seems pretty reasonable.
huh me and rick santorum graduated from the same high school.
oh god I have something in common with him
[QUOTE=Acesarge;30441996]Do you have a source for this or did you just pull your information out of your ass?[/QUOTE]
you really need a source?
[quote](week 26-40)[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thalamus"]Thalamic[/URL] brain connections, which mediate sensory input, form.[/quote]
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fetus#Week_26_to_40[/url]
[quote] Its function includes relaying sensation, spatial sense, and motor signals to the cerebral cortex, along with the regulation of consciousness, sleep, and alertness.[/quote]
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thalamus[/url]
[quote]Memory probably begins during the prenatal period, but little is known about the exact timing or for how long memory lasts. Now in a new study from the Netherlands, scientists have found fetal short-term memory in fetuses at 30 weeks.[/quote]
[url]http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2009-07/sfri-fsm070109.php[/url]
[QUOTE=Acesarge;30441996]Do you have a source for this or did you just pull your information out of your ass?[/QUOTE]
what do you think that a fetus instantly gains these characteristics once they are born or something?
Their body, their choice.
simple.
[QUOTE=hehe;30442340]Their body, their choice.
simple.[/QUOTE]
the father should have as much of a say in whether a fetus gets aborted as well unless there is evidence of abuse, in which case the father gets no say(or the opposite holds true if the woman is abusive)
[QUOTE=yawmwen;30442352]the father should have as much of a say in whether a fetus gets aborted as well unless there is evidence of abuse, in which case the father gets no say(or the opposite holds true if the woman is abusive)[/QUOTE]
You can't be serious.
"Well, my wife's kinda reluctant to get an abortion, but I want her to. Perform an abortion for her, please, doctor."
"My wife's afraid of the pain of childbirth, and would really just like to adopt, but I'm just not feeling the whole "abortion" thing right now. Don't let her do it."
Seriously?
And if the woman is abusive, she should be forced to either have an invasive procedure that gets pretty emotional, or to have a child, which is long, painful, and also pretty emotional?
I mean, sure, she abused the guy, but that's just not right.
[QUOTE=Last or First;30442394]You can't be serious.
"Well, my wife's kinda reluctant to get an abortion, but I want her to. Perform an abortion for her, please, doctor."
"My wife's afraid of the pain of childbirth, and would really just like to adopt, but I'm just not feeling the whole "abortion" thing right now. Don't let her do it."
Seriously?[/QUOTE]
no a father shouldnt be allowed to force an abortion but a father should be able to veto an abortion since it is as much his child as the mother
if a father vetoes an abortion from the mother the mother has to give birth and loses all custody rights of the child to the father
[QUOTE=yawmwen;30442447]no a father shouldnt be allowed to force an abortion but a father should be able to veto an abortion since it is as much his child as the mother[/QUOTE]
I can't believe I'm reading this
Husbands don't own their wives you idiot
the father should have absolutely no say. the person who has to carry a painful burden for 9 months should have the ultimate say
[QUOTE=yawmwen;30442447]no a father shouldnt be allowed to force an abortion but a father should be able to veto an abortion since it is as much his child as the mother
if a father vetoes an abortion from the mother the mother has to give birth and loses all custody rights of the child to the father[/QUOTE]
Oh god you are serious.
You seriously think it's okay to FORCE a woman through childbirth, which she doesn't want to do, and then lose any custody rights of her 9-month ordeal that she's no doubt grown emotionally attached to, [b]just because the father's a dickweed who doesn't understand that there's a such thing as 'adoption' or 'finding a new relationship'!?[/b]
Okay, I was pretty hesitant to agree with the guys calling you dumbasses before, but...
Yeah. That's stupid as shit.
Edit: Rated tool for misogyny.
[QUOTE=Lazor;30442491]the father should have absolutely no say. the person who has to carry a painful burden for 9 months should have the ultimate say[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Zeke129;30442487]I can't believe I'm reading this
Husbands don't own their wives you idiot[/QUOTE]
they dont but its their child
how sexist is it that a woman has full control of the fate of child that is equally the fathers
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[QUOTE=Last or First;30442503]Oh god you are serious.
You seriously think it's okay to FORCE a woman through childbirth, which she doesn't want to do, and then lose any custody rights of her 9-month ordeal that she's no doubt grown emotionally attached to, [b]just because the father's a dickweed who doesn't understand that there's a such thing as 'adoption' or 'finding a new relationship'!?[/b]
Okay, I was pretty hesitant to agree with the guys calling you dumbasses before, but...
Yeah. That's stupid as shit.
Edit: Rated tool for misogyny.[/QUOTE]
lol sexist
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i mean a mother shouldnt have the right to kill a fathers child if the father wants to raise it himself
the father shouldnt be forced to find a new relationship if he wants to father his child
i'm sorry but it is not an equally shared burden so the father sure as fuck shouldn't be given equal weight in the decision
[QUOTE=yawmwen;30442510]they dont but its their child
how sexist is it that a woman has full control of the fate of child that is equally the fathers
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It isn't a child until it's no longer part of the mother
[QUOTE=yawmwen;30442510]they dont but its their child
how sexist is it that a woman has full control of the fate of child that is equally the fathers[/QUOTE]
You haven't learned about pregnancy in school yet, have you.
That's the only way you could actually think that it's sexist to let a woman have more control over something growing INSIDE HER for 9 months than some guy she fucked.
And then you posted your things on abortion in previous posts either from thinking babies all come from test tubes, or from the future.
It seriously makes more sense than you thinking that it's unfair for a man to have equal control over a woman's body as she does.
[QUOTE=Lazor;30442547]i'm sorry but it is not an equally shared burden so the father sure as fuck shouldn't be given equal weight in the decision[/QUOTE]
uh its equally his genetic material, its his offspring as much as the womans no matter who carries the burden
again, a mother should not have the right to kill a fathers offspring
[QUOTE=Zeke129;30442559]It isn't a child until it's no longer part of the mother[/QUOTE]
its his fetus then, its his offspring
I'm still wondering whether or not he has some kind of secret agenda brewing under all of this... crap.
Ew
[QUOTE=yawmwen;30442588]
its his fetus then, its his offspring[/QUOTE]
how is it connected to him in any way
is it part of his body? no
[QUOTE=Last or First;30442565]You haven't learned about pregnancy in school yet, have you.
That's the only way you could actually think that it's sexist to let a woman have more control over something growing INSIDE HER for 9 months than some guy she fucked.
And then you posted your things on abortion in previous posts either from thinking babies all come from test tubes, or from the future.
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because i look at this from an objective standpoint
its irrelevant whether or not the woman carries the child for 9 months, its still equally the fathers
[QUOTE=Last or First;30442565]
It seriously makes more sense than you thinking that it's unfair for a man to have equal control over a woman's body as she does.[/QUOTE]
no its equal control over his offsprings body
not the womans body
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[QUOTE=Zeke129;30442603]how is it connected to him in any way
is it part of his body? no[/QUOTE]
its his genetic material, its his offspring, he gets a right to raise it
[QUOTE=The golden;30442619]As far as [B]REPRODUCTION[/B] is concerned, the fathers job is done when he ejaculates inside the female. (In many species, this is when the male abandons the female)[/QUOTE]
ya and many species just lay their offspring in eggs and let them fend for themselves when they hatch
your point?
[QUOTE=yawmwen;30442588]uh its equally his genetic material, its his offspring as much as the womans no matter who carries the burden
again, a mother should not have the right to kill a fathers offspring[/QUOTE]
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qileP4bAzek[/media]
You seriously think it's "fair" to force a woman through childbirth just because the guy she slept with wants her too, despite her will.
You're an idiot.
This isn't an opinion.
This isn't flaming.
This isn't ad hominem.
This is fact.
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