Santorum: Doctors Providing Abortions To Rape And Incest Victims Should Be Arrested - Polidicks

[QUOTE=The golden;30442648] Yeah hi, the unborn child is fucking [B]attached[/B] [B]the mother.[/B][/QUOTE] so? she doesnt have sole control over her childs fate because it is equally shared by the father

[QUOTE=Last or First;30442666][media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qileP4bAzek[/media] You seriously think it's "fair" to force a woman through childbirth just because the guy she slept with wants her too, despite her will. [/QUOTE] uh yea, it is fair, its his child now because he is willing to raise it while the woman is unwilling and isnt it a bit sexist you refer to a father as "a guy she slept with"? what if i referred to the mother as "a child carrier" in fact i will refer to the woman as a child carrier from now on in this thread because thats what she is when she doesnt want to raise the child

[QUOTE=yawmwen;30442678]so? she doesnt have sole control over her childs fate because it is equally shared by the father[/QUOTE] no it isn't

[QUOTE=The golden;30442699]Please explain how it's "equally shared by father". All he has to do is ejaculate. The mother has to spend 9 long months sharing her bodies nutrients with the child. She has to dispose of it's wastes, give it oxygen, and give her own energy. Please never become a father.[/QUOTE] uh its not her choice anyways im sure many guys would carry their own child for a chance to raise it themselves, but the cant feasibly do that

[QUOTE=yawmwen;30442678]so? she doesnt have sole control over her childs fate because it is equally shared by the father[/QUOTE] Maybe you will understand it this way. Let's say you have two computers, One computer sends the other computer a series of code to compile. It is the right of the computer that is compiling the code to abort it.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;30442678]so? she doesnt have sole control over her childs fate because it is equally shared by the father[/QUOTE] that's like saying if you buy 100 shares in a company and someone buys 3000 that you both have an equal say at a share holder's meeting

[QUOTE=JDK721;30442708]no it isn't[/QUOTE] yea it is [editline]14th June 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Lazor;30442720]that's like saying if you buy 100 shares in a company and someone buys 3000 that you both have an equal say at a share holder's meeting[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Carbon Knight;30442719]Maybe you will understand it this way. Let's say you have two computers, One computer sends the other computer a series of code to compile. It is the right of the computer that is compiling the code to abort it.[/QUOTE] these are both bad analogies(i cant even understand the computer one) because we arent talking about codes or shares in a company, we are talking about a human being

also no wonder child support and custody is so fucked up these days its apparently now "liberal" to be a fucking bigot

[QUOTE=yawmwen;30442623]its irrelevant whether or not the woman carries the child for 9 months, its still equally the fathers no its equal control over his offsprings body not the womans body[/QUOTE] "It's irrelevant whether or not the woman has to go through all of the pain and suffering of growing a child she did not want inside of her for 9 months, in addition to all of the other emotional, mental, and physical pain and suffering associated with normal childbirth, because the father doesn't feel like breaking up, finding a better match, and "contributing his genetic material" again." Please tell me you're just trolling. Once the child is born? Yes, the father and mother should have equal rights, except in cases of abuse, in which the non-abusive gets the rights. But when it's inside her body? You'd be giving equal control over what happens inside and to her body to someone else. That's fucking stupid and misogynistic.

[QUOTE=The golden;30442784]They are perfectly fine analogies and they make sense. Just because you are not educated does not mean everything around you is wrong.[/QUOTE] ok so i should be able to sell my child? or should i be able to delete my child?

[QUOTE=yawmwen;30442724]yea it is [editline]14th June 2011[/editline] these are both bad analogies(i cant even understand the computer one) because we arent talking about codes or shares in a company, we are talking about a human being[/QUOTE] There is more strain on the woman, both physically and emotionally. The biological growth is 100% dependent on the woman and therefore it is her right to choose. Also males contribute little to the process. Your argument may have some merit if both the male and the woman had to cooperate in something for 9 months in order for a successful birth but even then, It is the woman that births it.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;30442803]ok so i should be able to sell my child? or should i be able to delete my child?[/QUOTE] if it's a human being then why are you treating it like a piece of property

[QUOTE=yawmwen;30442704]uh yea, it is fair, its his child now because he is willing to raise it while the woman is unwilling and isnt it a bit sexist you refer to a father as "a guy she slept with"? what if i referred to the mother as "a child carrier" in fact i will refer to the woman as a child carrier from now on in this thread because thats what she is when she doesnt want to raise the child[/QUOTE] Go ahead. In fact, that's BETTER. You're advocating forcing someone to carry a child inside them, against their will, because another person is unable to do so. That's... if you can't see what's wrong with that, then... I just don't know. [QUOTE=yawmwen;30442790]its apparently now "liberal" to be a fucking bigot[/QUOTE] Oh, you describe yourself as liberal?

the women puts more of herself into carrying and birthing a child, i see no reason why the father should be able to veto her decision.

[QUOTE=Last or First;30442794]"It's irrelevant whether or not the woman has to go through all of the pain and suffering of growing a child she did not want inside of her for 9 months, in addition to all of the other emotional, mental, and physical pain and suffering associated with normal childbirth, because the father doesn't feel like breaking up, finding a better match, and "contributing his genetic material" again." Please tell me you're just trolling.[/QUOTE] im talking about cases where the father and mother are separated, and its not as simple as finding a better match blah blah blah a father grows a bond with his unborn child as well as the mother, the mother has a stronger bond because she carries the child but the father still loves his child in many cases im talking about those cases, when the mother doesnt want to raise a child, but the father would, separate from the mother if the mother doesnt want the child she shouldnt just be allowed to kill it

[QUOTE=yawmwen;30442623] its his genetic material, its his offspring, he gets a right to raise it [/QUOTE] did your ex decide to abort her kid or something you're awful

a fetus is NOT a child stop saying it is

but the father should be allowed to force her to go through with a pregnancy so he can have a child? you couldn't be more misogynistic if you tried

[QUOTE=Zeke129;30442874]did your ex decide to abort her kid or something you're awful[/QUOTE] yea

[QUOTE=yawmwen;30442857]im talking about cases where the father and mother are separated, and its not as simple as finding a better match blah blah blah a father grows a bond with his unborn child as well as the mother, the mother has a stronger bond because she carries the child but the father still loves his child in many cases im talking about those cases, when the mother doesnt want to raise a child, but the father would, separate from the mother if the mother doesnt want the child she shouldnt just be allowed to kill it[/QUOTE] So you believe that something which may happen a fraction of the time should be enforced all of the time. And what happens if a rape victim comes in? How do they get consent to have an abortion? How is anyone supposed to know that she is really a rape victim and not attempting to cheat the system or vice versa?

[QUOTE=yawmwen;30442894]yea[/QUOTE] well maybe it's time to accept the fact that her body was not under your command she wasn't your slave

[QUOTE=yawmwen;30442857]im talking about cases where the father and mother are separated, and its not as simple as finding a better match blah blah blah a father grows a bond with his unborn child as well as the mother, the mother has a stronger bond because she carries the child but the father still loves his child in many cases im talking about those cases, when the mother doesnt want to raise a child, but the father would, separate from the mother if the mother doesnt want the child she shouldnt just be allowed to kill it[/QUOTE] 'Separated' 'unborn child' Do you even know what unborn means? Once the child has been born, you're absolutely fucking right, the mother and father should have equal responsibility and rights with the child. But when it's still a conglomeration of cells inside of her crotch, you still think it's okay to force the the woman's choice as to what to do with it? When it's still a part of her, and is the cause of much emotional, physical, and mental stress? What!? [editline]13th June 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Zeke129;30442913]well maybe it's time to accept the fact that her body was not under your command she wasn't your slave[/QUOTE] That's probably why they broke up. "Dammit, she's choosing on her own again!" Is... is your name Clain?

[QUOTE=yawmwen;30442894]yea[/QUOTE] argument aborted

So basically I can go around getting women pregnant to increase my asset holdings?

Well, fuck, this thread is moving fast, and I want to make my opinion heard before I have to get off of the computer. You know, I used to be "pro-life with exceptions," but as I thought about it, and read threads on here, and discussed it with my friends, I became pro-choice. I trust a woman to know when she won't be able to comfortably raise a child. It is her choice, her freedom to say "hey, I don't think I can do this." There was another thread on here that finally convinced me that abortion is unfortunate but completely okay. There's an article on Salon I read about an abortion doctor, and her experience with abortion. It was simply powerful. One quote is especially powerful: "We had a woman come into the clinic who was abused by her boyfriend, and she was terrified. She felt that if he found out she was pregnant, he would never let her out of his grips." It's all well and good to talk about "THE FETUS" and "SANCTITY OF LIFE." But what happens to the established life? The life that has been going on for years upon years upon years? In closing, personally, I think it's more merciful to the child to prevent them from living in a possibly impoverished environment. /rant

[QUOTE=The golden;30443085]I came on your jacket when you weren't looking. My genetic material is on it, give it to me.[/QUOTE] I came on you you are now my slave :smug:

[QUOTE=JDK721;30443147]I came on you you are now my slave :smug:[/QUOTE] and now the abortion thread is homoerotic

[QUOTE=yawmwen;30442704]uh yea, it is fair, its his child now because he is willing to raise it while the woman is unwilling and isnt it a bit sexist you refer to a father as "a guy she slept with"? what if i referred to the mother as "a child carrier" in fact i will refer to the woman as a child carrier from now on in this thread because thats what she is when she doesnt want to raise the child[/QUOTE] Is it bad I find your view so backwards (imo) that i'm laughing? allow me to explain why you're wrong. I do not have a problem that you're pro-life, but how you go through it, Using your process you're ensuring a human life at the heavy cost of human rights, would you like to be forced to carry something? Not to mention that human decision is fickle, the man could want to raise it only for three months down the road where it's probably close to birth where he turns around and shouts "NEVERMIND!" how can you ensure that he will remain adamant in his decision? It isn't sexist that he refer to the father as "a guy she slept with"? than the mother "A woman he slept with". Your stance on referring to the mother as a "Child Carrier" is not only dumb as it is still a fetus and not a child, as the fetus would have to be matured and birthed for it to be registered as an infant and thus, a child. But also derogatory, how would you like it if due to your predicament you're classified as "A Child Carrier"? That is disgusting as the woman doesn't technically want to carry the fetus and it reminds her that she's carrying it for someone elses sake [B]against her will.[/B]

a father's right to have a child is entirely up to how well he gets along with the mother. in an ideal world anyway.

[QUOTE=Lambeth;30443380]a father's right to have a child is entirely up to how well he gets along with the mother.[/QUOTE] Agreed, It's stupid to allow someone to force someone to carry their child due to contraception not working, as it can also be very vengeful way of getting back at your spouse or girlfriend if something deliberate happens that you both break up, and dare I say it, It [B]Will [/B]happen at least once.