[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;24424823]Hey, aren't you just a blood thirsty son of a bitch.
Barbarian.[/QUOTE]
Can you refrain from harassing me? It makes you loose your credibility.
[QUOTE=BmB;24424839]It can't be okay for you to kill someone for killing someone else if it wasn't okay for them to kill in the first place. Get this through your thick skull pl0x.[/QUOTE]
Look at the iraq and American war. Why did USA invade Iraq? Well, I guess someone ran a plane into a twin tower and 2k people died. An eye for an eye?
I am just saying the Death penalty should be used on people who commit sick and twisted inhumane acts.
[QUOTE=Funcoot;24424821]Yeah, reform the prison system? I'm sorry but are you dense? You call anyone for maintaining the death penalty "blood thirsty" yet you think we can just "reform" the prison system?
The prison system is horribly beyond repair. America can barely afford to pay it's bills let alone reform what is currently a money pit. We got better things to worry about.[/QUOTE]
Let the nonviolent drug offenders such as possession of marijuana guys out, guess what? Half the jails in the US would be empty. As drug crimes go down, the prisons empty until you have a much smaller and more maintainable prison system.
MAN THAT WAS SO HARD.
[QUOTE=Afgman;24424818]You will never understand..[/QUOTE]
Are you calling yourself a psychopath?
[QUOTE=Afgman;24424843]Can you refrain from harassing me? It makes you loose your credibility.[/QUOTE]
Hahahahahahahahahahhahah
HAHAHHAHAHAHAH
YOU!
You're talking about credibility. You're argument is... You don't even have one. You don't have points, you just think eye for an eye is reasonable.
[QUOTE=Savaril;24424826]criminals don't need to be punished, they need to be rehabilitated..
and those that can't be rehabilitated get put in a mental institution.[/QUOTE]
Because rehabilitation has proven to be such an effective solution for anything. :rolleyes:
[QUOTE=Funcoot;24424821]Yeah, reform the prison system? I'm sorry but are you dense (no I'm not calling you stupid)? You call anyone for maintaining the death penalty "blood thirsty" yet you think we can just "reform" the prison system?
The prison system is horribly beyond repair. America can barely afford to pay it's bills let alone reform what is currently a money pit. We got better things to worry about.[/QUOTE]
it's actually pretty fucking simple for anyone who's not out for getting vengeance.
stop putting people in jail over drug charges, and bingo you've fixed your overcrowding problem. focus more on rehabilitation than punishment and vengeance like we do now and there will be less criminals.
Death penalty should be banned worldwide forever
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[QUOTE=Funcoot;24424864]Because rehabilitation has proven to be such an effective solution for anything. :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]
It has, what's your point?
It is mindless punishment that has been proven to do jack shit. You got your facts backwards.
In fact it has been shown to make things worse.
[QUOTE=Funcoot;24424864]Because rehabilitation has proven to be such an effective solution for anything. :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]
as opposed to killing people?
pls read up on norway's rehabilitation, prison, and crime rates and you may learn something.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;24424845]Let the nonviolent drug offenders such as possession of marijuana guys out, guess what? Half the jails in the US would be empty. As drug crimes go down, the prisons empty until you have a much smaller and more maintainable prison system.
MAN THAT WAS SO HARD.[/QUOTE]
People with JUST marijuana possession charges hardly ever go to Federal prison, if for very long.
We don't send you to federal prison for 10 years just for lighting up. Federal prison is for real criminals.
[QUOTE=Afgman;24424818]You will never understand..[/QUOTE]
Really? How do I not understand? I've been a victim of crime myself you dumbass. But you know my past don't you? Oh, that's right, you don't.
My best friend in high school was raped by someone whilst walking home through Hastings in Vancouver. They found the rapist. I didn't wish death upon him.
So kindly, shove that "you won't understand" shit right up your ass.
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[QUOTE=Funcoot;24424864]Because rehabilitation has proven to be such an effective solution for anything. :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]
...Norway.
What argument do you have now? None, because REHABILITATION WORKS BETTER THAN PUNISHMENT.
I'd honestly much rather be hung than gassed, poisoned or electrocuted.
[QUOTE=Afgman;24424843]Can you refrain from harassing me? It makes you loose your credibility.
Look at the iraq and American war. Why did USA invade Iraq? Well, I guess someone ran a plane into a twin tower and 2k people died. An eye for an eye?
I am just saying the Death penalty should be used on people who commit sick and twisted inhumane acts.[/QUOTE]
Again, another post to prove your idiocy. They didn't invade for that reason.
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[QUOTE=Funcoot;24424888]People with JUST marijuana possession charges hardly ever go to Federal prison, if for very long.
We don't send you to federal prison for 10 years just for lighting up. Federal prison is for real criminals.[/QUOTE]
In the states, yes you do. You can go to jail for 5 years for possession depending on the state. Possession of heroin? 10 years is the max sentence I've heard of. Regardless, drug offenders are in jail needlessly. Jail is not where they belong, nor do most drug laws need to exist.
Man, just prove your point without name calling, theres no need for it.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;24424799]Eye for an eye, that's what you're advocating. What does that fix? nothing. Human rights are a fabrication sure, but the government is supposed to follow human rights as part of their very reason for existing. Can you not digest that fact? Giving them the go ahead to kill is a slippery slope.[/QUOTE]
An eye for an eye happens anyways, as they will die in prison, it just takes longer. I personally would fell better knowing the murderer of a loved one died sooner for their crime, rather than later. This is why I say that it should be irrefutable that they did it, if there is the chance they didn't, they may be released later, and will have not died in vain, and will be free to live their life after being acquitted. If there is no chance they will be released, they will die in the jail anyways, guaranteed.
Men in war are given the go ahead to kill, and you likely believe that war is unnecessary, but it is a place that there are many human rights exceptions. Exceptions to human rights are rampant everywhere, and there will never be a time when there will be are no exceptions, but if by some miracle there is, there will always be someone or some country to blatantly disregard those rights.
[QUOTE=Mabus;24424937]Man, just prove your point without name calling, theres no need for it.[/QUOTE]
When a point has come up several times, been ignored, then made to be a crucial bit of their argument after I've already pointed that out, I think it's about time that I stop caring about civility.
Now that's living in a delusional fantasy world.
[QUOTE=DaCommie1;24424948]An eye for an eye happens anyways, as they will die in prison, it just takes longer. I personally would fell better knowing the murderer of a loved one died sooner for their crime, rather than later. This is why I say that it should be irrefutable that they did it, if there is the chance they didn't, they may be released later, and will have not died in vain, and will be free to live their life after being acquitted. If there is no chance they will be released, they will die in the jail anyways, guaranteed.
Men in war are given the go ahead to kill, and you likely believe that war is unnecessary, but it is a place that there are many human rights exceptions. Exceptions to human rights are rampant everywhere, and there will never be a time when there will be are no exceptions, but if by some miracle there is, there will always be someone or some country to blatantly disregard those rights.[/QUOTE]
So your argument is "Look at all the other bad things! does it matter that we have this particular bad thing?".
BRILLIANT!
Combat and the judicial system are two very different things.
Yet they must base off the same system of values, unless you have bipolar disorder or something.
This is just my opinion, don't interpret it as trolling or anything please, I don't want idiotic statements such as "clearly you're an idiot for believing that" crap.
I'm basically indifferent about it. I believe it should and shouldn't be here at the same time (yeah it's kind of a logical fallacy, deal with it). But I do have my reasons.
If someone just kills someone normally. Do not give them the death penalty unless they themselves request it.
Now if the person kills someone or a group in an insanely unbelievably way; I'm talking about killing a person, cutting them up into pieces, defecating on them and then mailing said bits to another relative. Yes it's an unbelievably distorted example, however I'm just saying, that's my limit (no, really I'm serious).
Get rid of that person. That's something not all the prison time in the world can forgive (suddenly, moral sense of thought).
I know it doesn't explain why they should be killed, but really all the mental trauma from that could drive you insane potentially (just saying).
Then there comes "Human Rights". Human rights in themselves do not exist. Technically they do as stated by the ruling government. They are a "social norm" so to speak. If you got rid of all government or someone to enforce it, they would not exist, therefore it is only a number of stated guidelines or rules that a collective group of people believe in. You can choose to obey those guidelines or not (preferable if you did).
I know this is grossly over exaggerated in points, but I just wanted to state what I personally think in an elaborated way. You can choose to disagree with it or criticize it(please if you criticize it, I'm fine, I like reading counter-arguments, they make me think), but this is all what I see. So don't become enraged or anything over it please.
A "too long, didn't read" version of the whole argument of mine would have to be, "It completely depends upon the situation and graveness of their actions". Basically it's a compromise. I can't definitively choose a side, both provide extremely good reasons; and rather than state "I'M RIGHT AND YOU'RE OBVIOUSLY WRONG BECAUSE YOU DON'T BELIEVE WHAT I BELIEVE!!11", I'd rather sit down, talk about it, and compromise on the decision to be made.
This is simply an opinion on the situation. Don't take it too seriously :)
What values? please explain. Also a Bipolar disorder is not schizophrenia.
Again it bases off the fallacy that some people are inherintly evil.
[QUOTE=Bluefire;24425031]This is just my opinion, don't interpret it as trolling or anything please, I don't want idiotic statements such as "clearly you're an idiot for believing that" crap.
I'm basically indifferent about it. I believe it should and shouldn't be here at the same time (yeah it's kind of a logical fallacy, deal with it). But I do have my reasons.
If someone just kills someone normally. Do not give them the death penalty unless they themselves request it.
Now if the person kills someone or a group in an insanely unbelievably way; I'm talking about killing a person, cutting them up into pieces, defecating on them and then mailing said bits to another relative. Yes it's an unbelievably distorted example, however I'm just saying, that's my limit (no, really I'm serious).
Get rid of that person. That's something not all the prison time in the world can forgive (suddenly, moral sense of thought).
I know it doesn't explain why they should be killed, but really all the mental trauma from that could drive you insane potentially (just saying).
Then there comes "Human Rights". Human rights in themselves do not exist. Technically they do as stated by the ruling government. They are a "social norm" so to speak. If you got rid of all government or someone to enforce it, they would not exist, therefore it is only a number of stated guidelines or rules that a collective group of people believe in. You can choose to obey those guidelines or not (preferable if you did).
I know this is grossly over exaggerated in points, but I just wanted to state what I personally think in an elaborated way. You can choose to disagree with it or criticize it(please if you criticize it, I'm fine, I like reading counter-arguments, they make me think), but this is all what I see. So don't become enraged or anything over it please.
A "too long, didn't read" version of the whole argument of mine would have to be, "It completely depends upon the situation and graveness of their actions". Basically it's a compromise. I can't definitively choose a side, both provide extremely good reasons; and rather than state "I'M RIGHT AND YOU'RE OBVIOUSLY WRONG BECAUSE YOU DON'T BELIEVE WHAT I BELIEVE!!11", I'd rather sit down, talk about it, and compromise on the decision to be made.
This is simply an opinion on the situation. Don't take it too seriously :)[/QUOTE]
It's a complicated issue, but the simple thing to me is, why add more blood to the issue? There's enough killing in the world. Why do we need this when it serves no purpose?
[QUOTE=Mabus;24425052]What values? please explain. Also a Bipolar disorder is not schizophrenia.[/QUOTE]
What values? What?
If you have to ask you are way out of your league here.
[QUOTE=BmB;24425062]Again it bases off the fallacy that some people are inherintly evil.[/QUOTE]
That has nothing to do with combat, or if the law is good and true the judicial system too. People are judged by their wrong actions not their "evil" traits.
[QUOTE]If you have to ask you are way out of your league here.[/QUOTE]
Alright man, your just acting the dick now. Obviously you have no respect for me or anybody else here with different opinions.
Death penalty should be for murderers of 2 or more people. Otherwise, I'd rather not have people locked up for the rest of their life leeching off of the publics tax money.
It's bullshit. Why should we be providing murderers with a place to sleep, stay and live along with free meals every day?
As far as I'm concerned, as soon as you take someone else's rights away through murder then you're throwing your rights away.
When you choose to go into combat you decide that you are ok with your enemy dying. When you put someone on death row you decide that they are ok to die. It is the same scale that weighs either of these issues.
[QUOTE=reedbo;24425142]Death penalty should be for murderers of 2 or more people. Otherwise, I'd rather not have people locked up for the rest of their life leeching off of the publics tax money.
It's bullshit. Why should we be providing murderers with a place to sleep, stay and live along with free meals every day?
As far as I'm concerned, as soon as you take someone else's rights away through murder then you're throwing your rights away.[/QUOTE]
once more with this stupid eye for an eye bullshit. rights are rights.
ps. it costs more in court and legal fees to execute them than it does to keep them in prison.
[QUOTE=reedbo;24425142]As far as I'm concerned, as soon as you take someone else's rights away through murder then you're throwing your rights away.[/QUOTE]
Even if that was true, nobody would be able to enforce it lest they themselves lose their rights.
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