Japan reveals long-secretive execution process - Polidicks

[QUOTE=SgtCr4zyAlt;24425354]it's wrong because rights aren't something you can just bestow upon people or take them away as you see fit. they're RIGHTS.[/QUOTE] But why should someone retain their rights if they stripped someone of those rights to begin with? It just doesn't seem right to me.

The only time execution should be allowed is on repeat offending pedos and serial killers. Both are the scum of the earth. note the repeat

It's hypocritical because the reason killing is illegal in the first place is that we care about other people. And even if someone killed someone else they are still a person. You can't care about them any less.

[QUOTE=Flitchaye;24425387]But why should someone retain their rights if they stripped someone of those rights to begin with? It just doesn't seem right to me.[/QUOTE] BECAUSE RIGHTS AREN'T A PRIVILEGE. THEY'RE RIGHTS. BY NATURE, THEY'RE INALIENABLE. Why the fuck is this hard to get?

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss] It's a complicated issue, but the simple thing to me is, why add more blood to the issue? There's enough killing in the world. Why do we need this when it serves no purpose? [/QUOTE] That's actually a really good insight, just saying. I just view it as a cyclic argument. One that can never be solved. I mean, you could invent something that does everything perfectly for you, yet somewhere there will always be someone who disagrees with it. It's human nature to question things that they themselves think are wrong. It's sad but true =/

[QUOTE=SgtCr4zyAlt;24425363]as opposed to murders, thefts, drug use, robbery. yeaaaah. [url]http://dev.prenhall.com/divisions/hss/worldreference/NO/crime.html[/url] hardly rampant.[/QUOTE] Yeah, America is going down 18% and Norway is going up 3%. Obviously our system is broken? No, 18% is a lot since 2000. Trends take a long time to break.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;24425412]BECAUSE RIGHTS AREN'T A PRIVILEGE. THEY'RE RIGHTS. BY NATURE, THEY'RE INALIENABLE. Why the fuck is this hard to get?[/QUOTE] But human rights are bestowed upon by society as it sees fit. So technically, it is a privilege granted by society.

[QUOTE=Bluefire;24425420]That's actually a really good insight, just saying. I just view it as a cyclic argument. One that can never be solved. I mean, you could invent something that does everything perfectly for you, yet somewhere there will always be someone who disagrees with it. It's human nature to question things that they themselves think are wrong. It's sad but true =/[/QUOTE] I agree, but until we have a real answer, I think it's best to leave blood unshed.

I feel like I already know all about these rooms because of the movie Dancer in the Dark (Don't watch this if you are at all interested in watching the movie. It's the final scene and super spoiler heavy. Completely relevant, however. Makes me cry every time.) [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6OoNvMoLe8Q[/media]

[QUOTE=Flitchaye;24425434]But human rights are bestowed upon by society as it sees fit. So technically, it is a privilege granted by society.[/QUOTE] I as a society hereby revoke your rights. If they're not inalienable, you can lose them for any reason.

Human rights are enforced by the UN and the only reason the US isn't on a trade embargo right now because of the death penalty is your massive fucking economy keeps the world afloat.

[QUOTE=Funcoot;24425432]Yeah, America is going down 18% and Norway is going up 3%. Obviously our system is broken? No, 18% is a lot since 2000. Trends take a long time to break.[/QUOTE] that would be true if their crimes were at the same level, which they aren't. so norway STILL has less crime. i don't see your point.

[QUOTE]ECAUSE RIGHTS AREN'T A PRIVILEGE. THEY'RE RIGHTS. BY NATURE, THEY'RE INALIENABLE.[/QUOTE] Quoted for truth. [QUOTE]it's hypocritical because the reason killing is illegal in the first place is that we care about other people. [/QUOTE] The funny thing is you said I was out of my league, now i'm reading this nonsense.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;24425458]I as a society hereby revoke your rights. If they're not inalienable, you can lose them for any reason.[/QUOTE] But a society is compromised of several people, not an individual. Your argument doesn't necessarily apply because at that point, it's an opinion.

[QUOTE=SgtCr4zyAlt;24425488]that would be true if their crimes were at the same level, which they aren't. so norway STILL has less crime. i don't see your point.[/QUOTE] His point is that america is great and that american prison system is the best it can be.

:godwin: Selectively applying rights is what lead to nazi germany executing millions of jews. The thing with human rights is that either you have them completely or you are at a point where you're wide open to not having them at all.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss] I agree, but until we have a real answer, I think it's best to leave blood unshed. [/QUOTE] This I can agree with as well :3

[QUOTE=Flitchaye;24425498]But a society is compromised of several people, not an individual. Your argument doesn't necessarily apply because at that point, it's an opinion.[/QUOTE] I can't believe you still aren't understanding this. [editline]09:29PM[/editline] [QUOTE=BmB;24425521]:godwin: Selectively applying rights is what lead to nazi germany executing millions of jews.[/QUOTE] I said this at the beginning of the thread, but no, of course it just gets ignored.

Actually it was selectively taking them away that led to that.

[QUOTE=SgtCr4zyAlt;24425488]that would be true if their crimes were at the same level, which they aren't. so norway STILL has less crime. i don't see your point.[/QUOTE] Because there are less laws to break and less people are considered criminal offenders... You are just pointing to a system that only has a low rate of crime because it fails to enforce any of it's laws, or lack thereof.

[QUOTE=Mabus;24425550]Actually it was selectively taking them away that led to that.[/QUOTE] ...good catch on that wording.

Hey let's make breathing illegal, Denmark will have the highest crime rate in the world.

[QUOTE=Funcoot;24425562]Because there are less laws to break and less people are considered criminal offenders... You are just pointing to a system that only has a low rate of crime because it fails to enforce any of it's laws, or lack thereof.[/QUOTE] You just think a lot of things that aren't crimes are crimes...

[QUOTE=BmB;24425404]It's hypocritical because the reason killing is illegal in the first place is that we care about other people. And even if someone killed someone else they are still a person. You can't care about them any less.[/QUOTE] SOme people can not be rehabilitated from their ways though. only repeat offenders should be executed

[QUOTE=Funcoot;24425562]Because there are less laws to break and less people are considered criminal offenders... You are just pointing to a system that only has a low rate of crime because it fails to enforce any of it's laws, or lack thereof.[/QUOTE] where did you deduce this apparently 100% true conclusion. directly out of your ass? laws like what? drug charges? why is murder and rape so low per capita? after all, that IS being enforced.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;24425588]You just think a lot of things that aren't crimes are crimes...[/QUOTE] I love how you are the ultimate person who decides what is and what isn't a crime.

[QUOTE=BmB;24425582]Hey let's make breathing illegal, Denmark will have the highest crime rate in the world.[/QUOTE] :psyduck:

[QUOTE=teeheeV2;24425598]SOme people can not be rehabilitated from their ways though. only repeat offenders should be executed[/QUOTE] What purpose does them dying serve. [b]After all of this argument, no one has told me why their death serves a purpose. Why eye for an eye works.

Everyone attacking the death penalty probably comes from shit countries

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;24425533]I can't believe you still aren't understanding this.[/QUOTE] Society in whole dictates what human rights should be, whether it be Cold War era USSR or present-day Norway. I frankly cannot grasp the definition of whether human rights should be privileged or natural, since everyone has a different view on it. Society will always want to conform and list off the basic rights of everybody, but the view of the individual will always be different. I think it's just a moot point as to defend someone's human rights if they violated someone's human rights voluntarily in the first place.