[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;24422757]That relies on us being created by god which there's no reason to believe we are. We're people, and people do kill other people. However, society as a whole can not afford to take that role and pick who to kill. Criminals should not be punished harshly. They should be rehabilitated.[/QUOTE]
Well I was going along with your usage of God, there really is no point of rehabilitating someone that's going to be in there forever anyway...
[QUOTE=Tetracycline;24422706]God gave us the ability to kill, the ability to free will, it isn't playing god it's being human.[/QUOTE]
This is ridiculous. Shut up now.
If you really believed in god you would believe in the potential salvation of every human being and you would under no circumstances kill anyone else or support the idea.
Word on the street is god loves everyone, no one is irredeemable and he wants you to love your neighbor/local murderer as you love yourself.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;24422767]Simply not posting
[editline]07:10PM[/editline]
"My morals say kill the jews"
"Well I disagree, but I can't say he's wrong in his moral view"
No problem there huh?[/QUOTE]
That's an extreme moral outlook, mine isn't "kill innocent humans because of religion or race"
[QUOTE=Tetracycline;24422787]Well I was going along with your usage of God, there really is no point of rehabilitating someone that's going to be in there forever anyway...[/QUOTE]
Life in prison doesn't need to exist if people can be rehabilitated. It costs a ridiculous amount to keep them in there. How about fix them so they don't need to be in there and don't commit crimes?
[QUOTE=BmB;24422788]This is ridiculous. Shut up now.
If you really believed in god you would believe in the potential salvation of every human being and you would under no circumstances kill anyone else or support the idea.[/QUOTE]
Maybe I should have put god in quotation marks, I mean..abyss used him as an example so I went with it, even though I don't believe in him
[QUOTE=Tetracycline;24422799]That's an extreme moral outlook, mine isn't "kill innocent humans because of religion or race"[/QUOTE]
You make an arbitrary distinction to fit your argument :downsbravo:
[editline]07:13PM[/editline]
[QUOTE=Tetracycline;24422813]Maybe I should have put god in quotation marks, I mean..abyss used him as an example so I went with it, even though I don't believe in him[/QUOTE]
It's a common saying "playing god". it just means you're deciding who to kill and who not to kill. If you really have to play this game to argue, then maybe you shouldn't argue?
Ah idealism, gotta love the fantasy. In reality human nature does not work that way, people kill each other because we are just like that. It will never change, no amount of pot will make the world live in peace friend.
God is right in this case btw, everyone deserves the chance to repent. Christianity may largely be a load of bollocks but this thing they got right.
[QUOTE=Mabus;24422854]Ah idealism, gotta love the fantasy. In reality human nature does not work that way, people kill each other because we are just like that. It will never change, no amount of pot will make the world live in peace friend.[/QUOTE]
It isn't about that. Society is not humanity. Society is something different and it can not have knee jerk reactions. it's pure fucking stupidity to think a society can exist based on your wish of knee jerk reactions.
Tetracycline does this in every thread
he has no rational reason as to why we should have the death penalty so he just resorts to saying "you can't change my morals. my morals are that the death penalty should exist."
laws shouldn't be based on morality
I don't want to argue, call me wrong or whatever, I don't really care anymore, especially since it's the same 2-3 people against just me.
[editline]07:16PM[/editline]
[QUOTE=JDK721;24422877]Tetracycline does this in every thread
he has no rational reason as to why we should have the death penalty so he just resorts to saying "you can't change my morals. my morals are that the death penalty should exist."[/QUOTE]
This may be like...the first time I've argued about the DP so I dunno about that
[QUOTE=JDK721;24421606]disgusting
I didn't know japan had the death penalty still. japan and america are basically the only industrialized countries who still execute their own citizens.[/QUOTE]
typical brit
[QUOTE=Tetracycline;24422879]I don't want to argue, call me wrong or whatever, I don't really care anymore, especially since it's the same 2-3 people against just me.
[editline]07:16PM[/editline]
This may be like...the first time I've argued about the DP so I dunno about that[/QUOTE]
You've argued it in other threads. We've seen it. You do this every time, and it's endless stupidity.
And it never gets anywhere, you and I both know that, I may sometimes argue but that's just because...that's what I do.
[QUOTE=NEUFDANIELS;24422888]typical brit[/QUOTE]
He's actually American :v:
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;24422874]It isn't about that. Society is not humanity. Society is something different and it can not have knee jerk reactions. it's pure fucking stupidity to think a society can exist based on your wish of knee jerk reactions.[/QUOTE]
There are no knee jerk reactions in human nature, it's always been the same. Society is based on human nature, we get food, we reproduce, we seek enlightenment, we kill. Thats the way it works, and thats the way it will always work.
[QUOTE=Tetracycline;24422879]This may be like...the first time I've argued about the DP so I dunno about that[/QUOTE]
definitely not the first
probably at least the third or fourth time
[QUOTE=BmB;24422855]God is right in this case btw, everyone deserves the chance to repent. Christianity may largely be a load of bollocks but this thing they got right.[/QUOTE]
Don't you fucking dare ignore this. Don't. You. Fucking. Dare.
Do you have a good fucking reason why these killers don't deserve the chance to repent? Or do you not?!
[QUOTE=Tetracycline;24422913]And it never gets anywhere, you and I both know that, I may sometimes argue but that's just because...that's what I do.[/QUOTE]
because you don't have a good argument, and we've refuted your points a million times
I just don't agree with your opinion JDK, you can "refute" me and "crush my argument to dust" as much as you want, but it won't change my mind, I understand where you're coming from, and I definitely understand why you think that way, and I don't think it's a truly dumb position, but I just...disagree.
I don't know about you, but I'd rather take the death penalty over life in prison. Not to mention that executing criminals makes it so you don't have to spend thousands of taxpayer's dollars on them until they keel over after 40 years.
[QUOTE=Mabus;24422931]There are no knee jerk reactions in human nature, it's always been the same. Society is based on human nature, we get food, we reproduce, we seek enlightenment, we kill. Thats the way it works, and thats the way it will always work.[/QUOTE]
So we should just kill those that don't go alone with our system. Gotcha boss. I'm going to kill you now because you don't go along with the system. I'm a fascist leader, hows that sound?
The fact of the fucking matter is society can not kill people and maintain itself. It's hypocritical and worthless. It violates rights, it's more expensive than life in prison, and not only that, it's not foolproof. You're taking as many innocent lives as you are not innocent lives.
There is no way to justify it.
[QUOTE=Tetracycline;24422962]I just don't agree with your opinion JDK, you can "refute" me and "crush my argument to dust" as much as you want, but it won't change my mind, I understand where you're coming from, and I definitely understand why you think that way, and I don't think it's a truly dumb position, but I just...disagree.[/QUOTE]
hats off to you for sticking to your views, I may not entirely agree with you but at least your not bending over backwards after someone tries to make you look like an idiot.
[QUOTE=Tetracycline;24422962]I just don't agree with your opinion JDK, you can "refute" me and "crush my argument to dust" as much as you want, but it won't change my mind, I understand where you're coming from, and I definitely understand why you think that way, and I don't think it's a truly dumb position, but I just...disagree.[/QUOTE]
Hey fagtard, don't cherrypick your arguments to only the ones you can troll until you win.
[QUOTE=Tetracycline;24422962]I just don't agree with your opinion JDK, you can "refute" me and "crush my argument to dust" as much as you want, but it won't change my mind, I understand where you're coming from, and I definitely understand why you think that way, and I don't think it's a truly dumb position, but I just...disagree.[/QUOTE]
Go get your hands bloody then, you're obviously trying to say it's okay to kill, so why not just do what Dexter does and kill people that break the law? This is [b]exactly[/b] what you're advocating.
I know we can't change your opinion, that's called being stubborn, but your morals are out of wack if you think you have the right to deprive others of their rights.
[QUOTE=Mabus;24422854]Ah idealism, gotta love the fantasy. In reality human nature does not work that way, people kill each other because we are just like that. It will never change, no amount of pot will make the world live in peace friend.[/QUOTE]
Can you show some type of supported evidence that shows people who are opposed to killing would still do it in some circumstances? You can't just claim people will abandon their beliefs at the first sign of trouble when people that are stranded in survival situations almost never eat each other, and when they have it was understood and agreed upon by all the group members before their deaths, that they would be eaten.
Same goes for a group of survivors who are almost starving, finally managing to hunt down a meal . I have not heard of one case where someone got their head bashed in for a fish or rabbit.
Ideals aren't some fantasy that is picked up and dropped on a moments notice. It is something that gets ingrained in us from childhood and on. Most of the people that kill for little or no reason, were taught so from birth, like children captured and forced into fighting for the Rwanda rebels.
But anyway back on topic for me.... I really don't think the death penalty should be used. The only time I do, is in cases where someone murders multiple people in a pre-meditated manner, or murders a child in a pre-meditated manner. Now days with the advent of DNA and forensic evidence, I am starting to loosen on that belief. My only reason for opposing the death penalty is in the aforementioned cases, is that people have been thought to be guilty and caught red-handed, only to be found innocent years later.
Edit: Oh and I'd be willing to dig through my survival crap and scan up some evidence, if you want.
[QUOTE=Mabus;24423018]hats off to you for sticking to your views, I may not entirely agree with you but at least your not bending over backwards after someone tries to make you look like an idiot.[/QUOTE]
Why is it admirable to stick to your guns against strong evidence to the opposite? Would you call someone who holds the view that the earth is the centre of the universe repesctable because they refused to let go of that?
Basing your views off of the current and available knowledge is the only rational and logical thing to do. Apparently you idolize being an idiot who can't let go of views even against the evidence.
I don't want to argue anymore, stop it.
Also, when does Dexter get good? I watched 2 episodes and I bored my brain it
[QUOTE=Jim Lahey;24423064]...[/QUOTE]
I give you hearts just for being Jim Lahey. Trailer Park Boys forever.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;24423065]Why is it admirable to stick to your guns against strong evidence to the opposite? Would you call someone who holds the view that the earth is the centre of the universe repesctable because they refused to let go of that?
Basing your views off of the current and available knowledge is the only rational and logical thing to do. Apparently you idolize being an idiot who can't let go of views even against the evidence.[/QUOTE]
Evidence against morality doesn't make sense
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