Japan reveals long-secretive execution process - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Afgman;24423564]Scandinavia is closer to it than you'd admit. So many places are, it's too bad you're a sheltered american.[/QUOTE] I am not a natural American, and I have seen many countries in my time, but Scandinavia is only like that because of its small population. The tensions in Europe were kind of released during WW II, but Scandinavia is far from perfect.[/QUOTE] Yes it is far from perfect. Does that mean we shouldn't work towards that? It's great for more than just it's small population. The fact that your counter to "There are succesful places without the death penalty that go "against" human nature" is "only works with small numbers" is laughable. [editline]07:52PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Mabus;24423578]Scandinavia is not a country buddy, which country are you talking about Norway? Sweden? Denmark? I can safely say they ain't near close to perfect they have their problems too, just not as easily seen as the US. As Afgman said nothing is perfect in the human world.[/QUOTE] An area. Did I say it was a country...? So, lets just not work towards anything! That's what you want isn't it?

I like how he fucks up everyone's quotes [editline]07:53PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Afgman;24423564]Scandinavia is closer to it than you'd admit. So many places are, it's too bad you're a sheltered american.[/QUOTE] I am not a natural American, and I have seen many countries in my time, but Scandinavia is only like that because of its small population. The tensions in Europe were kind of released during WW II, but Scandinavia is far from perfect.[/QUOTE] see

[QUOTE=Tetracycline;24423654]I like how he fucks up everyone's quotes[/QUOTE] I like how you resort to shit posting after your argument collapses

Yep, bye.

[QUOTE=Afgman;24423564] Are your desires not reflections of animal nature? Greed, Power, and woman? Humans can strive for perfection but that can never be accomplished. Malice is one of the many emotions humans feel no matter who you are or where you are from.[/QUOTE] Again, lets just wallow in our filth and our nature and not work towards anything. That's what you want isn't it? That's the conservative view point. "We've come far enough, stop here, no point in working for progression any further from here!"

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;24423604]I am not a natural American, and I have seen many countries in my time, but Scandinavia is only like that because of its small population. The tensions in Europe were kind of released during WW II, but Scandinavia is far from perfect.[/QUOTE] Yes it is far from perfect. Does that mean we shouldn't work towards that? It's great for more than just it's small population. The fact that your counter to "There are succesful places without the death penalty that go "against" human nature" is "only works with small numbers" is laughable. [editline]07:52PM[/editline] An area. Did I say it was a country...? So, lets just not work towards anything! That's what you want isn't it?[/QUOTE] I'm just saying the Death Penalty can be used on only serious crimes such as sick twisted murder or sodomy, but murder with a good motive behind it; than that is gonna take some thought into it. People like Ted Bundy don't really deserve lives.. Again, lets just wallow in our filth and our nature and not work towards anything. That's what you want isn't it? That's the conservative view point. "We've come far enough, stop here, no point in working for progression any further from here!" I'm not saying we should progress, but you cannot change something that allows you to survive without a proper law and order. Like I said humans will stirve for perfection but perfection can never be accomplished. Communism was a great idea on paper but human nature screwed it over big time.

[QUOTE=Afgman;24423710]Yes it is far from perfect. Does that mean we shouldn't work towards that? It's great for more than just it's small population. The fact that your counter to "There are succesful places without the death penalty that go "against" human nature" is "only works with small numbers" is laughable. [editline]07:52PM[/editline] An area. Did I say it was a country...? So, lets just not work towards anything! That's what you want isn't it? I'm just saying the Death Penalty can be used on only serious crimes such as sick twisted murder or sodomy, but murder with a good motive behind it; than that is gonna take some thought into it. People like Ted Bundy don't really deserve lives..[/QUOTE] SODOMY? SODOMY? What the fuck. Anal sex is not wrong you idiot. Why use the death penalty for a murderer? What's the point?

[QUOTE=wewt!;24421714]Earlier this year a guy was put in front of a firing line due to his penalty being grandfathered[/QUOTE] that's because he requested death by firing squad.

[editline]07:52PM[/editline] [QUOTE] An area. Did I say it was a country...? So, lets just not work towards anything! That's what you want isn't it?[/QUOTE] I feel the sering finger of accusation point my way, but no. Working towards something is always great and works wonders most of the time. But we will always have problems, there will always be murders and crime. We will never live in a perfect world, so finding perfection is like chasing a holy grail. You can improve vastly and make great strides but there will always be problems to overcome and even more after those have been dealt with. Also to clarify Sodomy is the law term of "unlawful sex" i.e rape so yeah theres nothing wrong with concentual anal sex, but thats different.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;24423732]SODOMY? SODOMY? What the fuck. Anal sex is not wrong you idiot. Why use the death penalty for a murderer? What's the point?[/QUOTE] If someone had anal sex with a innocent person or someone(rape)? Whats the point? To make a example and stop people from doing it in the first place. Whats the point of letting people like Ted Bundy live?

[QUOTE=Mabus;24423753][editline]07:52PM[/editline] I feel the sering finger of accusation point my way, but no. Working towards something is always great and works wonders most of the time. But we will always have problems, there will always be murders and crime. We will never live in a perfect world, so finding perfection is like chasing a holy grail. You can improve vastly and make great strides but there will always be problems to overcome and even more after those have been dealt with.[/QUOTE] YES! We will always have murder, ALWAYS have crime. Why the fuck do you kill the people then? What does that solve? Retribution DOES NOT SOLVE ANYTHING.

Facepunch needs some sort of protect and survive for flame wars.

[QUOTE=Afgman;24423778]If someone had anal sex with a innocent person or someone? Whats the point? To make a example and stop people from doing it in the first place. Whats the point of letting people like Ted Bundy live?[/QUOTE] I've had anal sex with people. I deserve to die for that? Gays deserve to die? Please leave you troll. Ted Bundy doesn't deserve to have his life ended, just imprison him forever. Serial killers are a glitch in the system. One I'd much rather deal with than having mistrials and innocents dying, and giving governments power to kill who they want for crimes. If you're talking about rape, that's bad, but still not death penalty worthy.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;24423784]YES! We will always have murder, ALWAYS have crime. Why the fuck do you kill the people then? What does that solve? Retribution DOES NOT SOLVE ANYTHING.[/QUOTE] You are living a fantasy? You think life can go on without people dieing towards retribution and greed? Look at the people in Pakistan who just died because of some drone explosion. People are gonna die because of stupid things, but the death penalty is a dual edged sword. I've had anal sex with people. I deserve to die for that? Gays deserve to die? Please leave you troll. Ted Bundy doesn't deserve to have his life ended, just imprison him forever. Serial killers are a glitch in the system. One I'd much rather deal with than having mistrials and innocents dying, and giving governments power to kill who they want for crimes. Glitch in the system? Do you take their murder that lightly???? Do you know how many woman he raped and chopped up into little cubes??????? If you're talking about rape, that's bad, but still not death penalty worthy. If some older man knowing how much harm he can inflict raped you when you were a child and you had to live with that the rest of your life than how would you feel? You have never had this shit happen to you so you are saying oh no letting them live on and maybe we can let them out some day and roll on a dice, but whats the point of being in life prison? Your freedom is striped and you are gonna get sodomized by some random man anyway..

[QUOTE=Afgman;24423857]You are living a fantasy? You think life can go on without people dieing towards retribution and greed? Look at the people in Pakistan who just died because of some drone explosion. People are gonna die because of stupid things, but the death penalty is a dual edged sword.[/QUOTE] Oh my fuck. Tell me why we need the death penalty? Can you give me a real argument? The government doens't need to be part of retribution. Retribution solves nothing, rehabilitation does. you're saying "Oh fuck it, just kill them" because you're too lazy to care enough to actually want a real solution. More innocent people are killed by the death penalty than guilty. That's a fact. You're supporting it why?

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;24423827]I've had anal sex with people. I deserve to die for that? Gays deserve to die? Please leave you troll. [/QUOTE] Ok man, chill out for a sec, even I could see that he meant rape not consentual sex, he meant no offense whatsoever. Theres no need to fly off the handle.

[QUOTE=Mabus;24423905]Ok man, chill out for a sec, even I could see that he meant rape not consentual sex, he meant no offense whatsoever. Theres no need to fly off the handle.[/QUOTE] Then say rape, not sodomy. Sodomy and rape are two very different words. And even then, the death penalty still isn't right here.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;24423903]Oh my fuck. Tell me why we need the death penalty? Can you give me a real argument? The government doens't need to be part of retribution. Retribution solves nothing, rehabilitation does. you're saying "Oh fuck it, just kill them" because you're too lazy to care enough to actually want a real solution.[B] More innocent people are killed by the death penalty than guilty. That's a fact[/B]. You're supporting it why?[/QUOTE] Tell me whats the real solution? I only support Death Penalty for some really good reasons and people who really did something twisted and evil. Innocent people? Ted bundy is a innocent man???? Can i have the source to that in bold. EX 1: Man kills a woman by drunk driving. = does not deserve a death penalty. EX 2: Man kills woman and chops her up in a pain full inhuman way = deserves a death penalty. EX 3: Man shoots mothers killer with a gun = does not deserve a death penalty EX 4: Man shoots random man with a gun = Has to be decided. Death penalty = 100% positive that the man had a kill motive and did the crime.

[QUOTE=Afgman;24423857] If some older man knowing how much harm he can inflict raped you when you were a child and you had to live with that the rest of your life than how would you feel? You have never had this shit happen to you so you are saying oh no letting them live on and maybe we can let them out some day and roll on a dice, but whats the point of being in life prison? Your freedom is striped and you are gonna get sodomized by some random man anyway..[/QUOTE] Ok, again. Prison Reform so that whole level of bullshit you call "prison rape" goes away. Yes, that is terrible, but [b]what does killing that person do?[/b] Does that solve their pain? no. Does that remove what happened? No. So, why do it? Retribution? That isn't a valid fucking reason.

Hanging really isn't that bad. When you fall you break your neck and die in seconds...

[QUOTE=Afgman;24423965]Tell me whats the real solution? I only support Death Penalty for some really good reasons and people who really did something twisted and evil. Innocent people? Ted bundy is a innocent man???? Can i have the source to that in bold.[/QUOTE] Holy shit learn to read. Ted bundy is not innocent nor did I imply that. What's the real solution? Prison reform, rehabilitation, etc. And for the last fucking time: [b]Many of the people that have been killed by the death penalty have later been found to be innocent of the crimes they committed. Innocents have died.[/b] [editline]08:12PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Aman V;24423987]Hanging really isn't that bad. When you fall you break your neck and die in seconds...[/QUOTE] Only if properly calculated. Medieval mathematicians factored in the right height/weight/drop ratio to make their head just snap instantly. Pretty cool piece of history I'd say.

[QUOTE=Pretiacruento;24421618]Seppuku would be more fitting to them...[/QUOTE] Seppuku is an honorable suicide...

[QUOTE=Warhol;24422102] So you stoop to their level. nice[/QUOTE] No because their level is killing an innocent person and destroying that person's family. The state's level would be putting to death the person who did that. No innocent person is deprived the right to live, and no family or friends are harmed in the process because even if the murderer does have a family he's already spending 20 years to life in prison which puts a damper on your family life either way. Honestly I'd rather have a dead murderer parent than one in jail for the rest of their lives.

I still can't see a point to it, it just seems dated and crude. Executions really seem unnecessary when you can leave a prisoner to rot and think about what he did and why for the rest of his life.

[QUOTE=Afgman;24423965] EX 1: Man kills a woman by drunk driving. = does not deserve a death penalty. EX 2: Man kills woman and chops her up in a pain full inhuman way = deserves a death penalty. EX 3: Man shoots mothers killer with a gun = does not deserve a death penalty EX 4: Man shoots random man with a gun = Has to be decided. Death penalty = 100% positive that the man had a kill motive and did the crime.[/QUOTE] But what's the point of killing them? You haven't told me that yet.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;24423977]Ok, again. Prison Reform so that whole level of bullshit you call "prison rape" goes away. Yes, that is terrible, but [b]what does killing that person do?[/b] Does that solve their pain? no. Does that remove what happened? No. So, why do it? Retribution? That isn't a valid fucking reason.[/QUOTE] That does ease the rapists pain, and it will give a example to other rapist who will think twice before doing something wrong. But what's the point of killing them? You haven't told me that yet. ? Well, 1.) Give a clear example to other to not do fucked up shit. 2.) The man has some kind of mental problem and it is better if he is put to rest. 3.) Can help clear prisons. 4.) Justice is a emotion that is felt by humans when something is done right, but look if someone does cut someone up to little pieces and does other inhumane things than does this guy really deserve a 2nd chance? 5.) How can a normal man live with himself after doing such a crime? 6.) The man knew what would happen and did it anyway. 7.) to ease the some what malice in the vistims emotions. It's better if these people who do these kind of fucked up things to be put to rest.

[QUOTE=Mabus;24424029]I still can't see a point to it, it just seems dated and crude. Executions really seem unnecessary when you can leave a prisoner to rot and think about what he did and why for the rest of his life.[/QUOTE] Exactly. [editline]08:14PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Afgman;24424041]That does ease the rapists pain, and it will give a example to other rapist who will think twice before doing something wrong.[/QUOTE] Fallacy. This has been proven not to be true. So, uh. NO. It also does not always relieve the rape victims pain. It's stupid to think it does, it will in some cases, but rarely will it.

Most of those innocent people had been a death row for a long time, times before modern crime fighting technology has come out and now it is clearing a lot of them. Honestly, some of these convicted proven guilty prisoners should just be shot behind the ear Russian death penalty style. Only talking about severe offenders of course.

The benefit to lifetime prison is that you can pull them back out if you find they were put there by mistake, that's very hard to do with death penalty. So for the same result, less cost and this benefit why would you ever have someone killed over lifetime prison?

If there is irrefutable, concrete proof someone has murdered/raped someone, or if they're a convicted paedophile, I personally believe they should be killed. Same with if they're given a no bail life sentence, they're in prison until they die anyways. Some criminals can't be rehabilitated, and attempting to do such and releasing them back to the public won't do a damn thing to stop them repeating their crime. I know people don't like the idea of someone being killed, regardless of what they've done, but sometimes I feel it's needed. A death sentence, I feel, would also be a better deterrent for people who murder/rape knowing that they can get off with only a few years. If the death penalty is there, they are more likely to think about the consequences of murder/rape if it means their life, instead if 5-25 years. I know this is a controversial topic, and I'm going to be blasted AND insulted for my opinion, but not everyone will always agree on topics. I know it's not likely to change any opinions, but I hope that people can respect that someone will have a different opinion than them, and if they decide to counter said opinion and begin an argument, that they do it in a respectful manner without insults. There's no need to insult someone for disagreeing with you, because not everyone is going to share your opinion, and you should understand and respect that. Unfortunately, this last paragraph is also unlikely to change opinions, though I hope you let it sway you more than the first section of my post if you do disagree with this paragraph.