Part of me wants to argue but right now I feel so lazy that I honestly couldn't give a rat's ass, but I will say that not all people in support of the death penalty are is idiotic as tetracycline or Afgman.
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So you stoop to their level.
nice[/QUOTE]
SO instead you want to stand on some high horse above them, pissing them off even more? You need to go down to someone's level to understand them.
[QUOTE=DaCommie1;24424069]If there is irrefutable, concrete proof someone has murdered/raped someone, or if they're a convicted paedophile, I personally believe they should be killed. Same with if they're given a no bail life sentence, they're in prison until they die anyways.
Some criminals can't be rehabilitated, and attempting to do such and releasing them back to the public won't do a damn thing to stop them repeating their crime. I know people don't like the idea of someone being killed, regardless of what they've done, but sometimes I feel it's needed.
A death sentence, I feel, would also be a better deterrent for people who murder/rape knowing that they can get off with only a few years. If the death penalty is there, they are more likely to think about the consequences of murder/rape if it means their life, instead if 5-25 years.
I know this is a controversial topic, and I'm going to be blasted AND insulted for my opinion, but not everyone will always agree on topics. I know it's not likely to change any opinions, but I hope that people can respect that someone will have a different opinion than them, and if they decide to counter said opinion and begin an argument, that they do it in a respectful manner without insults. There's no need to insult someone for disagreeing with you, because not everyone is going to share your opinion, and you should understand and respect that. Unfortunately, this last paragraph is also unlikely to change opinions, though I hope you let it sway you more than the first section of my post if you do disagree with this paragraph.[/QUOTE]
[b]What's the point to killing them? No one can tell me this.[/b]
[QUOTE=DaCommie1;24424069]Some criminals can't be rehabilitated, and attempting to do such and releasing them back to the public won't do a damn thing to stop them repeating their crime.[/QUOTE]
This is the most ignorant thing anyone has ever said.
I fail to see the argument that "death penalty costs more then keeping them in prison for life".
Doesn't the average prisoner cost $20,000 or so per year (IIRC)?
The average bullet costs $0.75.
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[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;24424091][b]What's the point to killing them? No one can tell me this.[/b][/QUOTE]
-waste of space, tax dollars, time,
-get what they deserve, vengeance
[QUOTE=Aman V;24424098]I fail to see the argument that "death penalty costs more then keeping them in prison for life".
Doesn't the average prisoner cost $20,000 or so per year (IIRC)?
The average bullet costs $0.75.
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-waste of space, tax dollars, time,
-get what they deserve, vengeance[/QUOTE]
That's not the expensive part for fucks sakes. Proving their guilt beyond a doubt costs roughly 2-5 million dollars a year. It takes many years.
Waste of space? How about release non violent offenders like drug users who got arrested? So much space would be freed up. It's more expensive to kill them. It's more time to kill them too due to the legal system than a simple trial.
Vengeance/retribution IS NOT A FUCKING REASON. It's barbaric.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;24424123]That's not the expensive part for fucks sakes. Proving their guilt beyond a doubt costs roughly 2-5 million dollars a year. It takes many years.[/QUOTE]
Um they have to do that regardless. Not that many years part, but they don't just skip the court process and go straight to death penalty.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;24424044]Exactly.
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Fallacy. This has been proven not to be true. So, uh. NO.
It also does not always relieve the rape victims pain. It's stupid to think it does, it will in some cases, but rarely will it.[/QUOTE]
Notice how i said Rapist.
[QUOTE=BmB;24424092]This is the most ignorant thing anyone has ever said.[/QUOTE]
Shocking ain't it, he is right. Thats why they need to be locked away forever.
[QUOTE=Afgman;24424151]Notice how i said Rapist.[/QUOTE]
who is this Rapist? I feel bad for Mr.Rapist for having that name
[QUOTE=BmB;24424092]This is the most ignorant thing anyone has ever said.[/QUOTE]
Some people simply cannot be changed no matter how hard you try man, but who said you cant try?
It's fine, it's indoors in a room with an actual process. At least it's not done outdoors in front of the public like in Afghanistan.
[QUOTE=Aman V;24424150]Um they have to do that regardless. Not that many years part, but they don't just skip the court process and go straight to death penalty.[/QUOTE]
Are you barbaric?
[b]Innocent people are killed from the death penalty more often than guilty people due to this train of thought.[/b]
Think for a fucking second.
Some people will need to die, but you are worried about people who did a serious crime? What about the children in the floods of Pakistan? Kind of funny how a human works.
Are you barbaric?
Innocent people are killed from the death penalty more often than guilty people due to this train of thought.
Think for a fucking second.
Define Barbaric?
Innocent people are killed from the death penalty more often than guilty people due to this train of thought.
Than we will fix that.
[QUOTE=Mabus;24424153]Shocking ain't it, he is right. Thats why they need to be locked away forever.[/QUOTE]
He's as wrong as anyone could ever be.
Also, I obviously don't speak for everyone but I'd feel slightly deterred to commit crime if I knew I might be executed.
But the crimes that receive the death penalty those criminals probably would have done it either which way so meh.
[QUOTE=Afgman;24424189]Some people simply cannot be changed no matter how hard you try man, but who said you cant try?[/QUOTE]
So you kill them? No, how about leave them to rot in the many, many prisons the US has? Let out the non-violent drug offenders such as possession of marijuana guys(The prisons are filled with them, more of them than any other group) and space is ample for them.
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[QUOTE=Aman V;24424247]Also, I obviously don't speak for everyone but I'd feel slightly deterred to commit crime if I knew I might be executed.
But the crimes that receive the death penalty those criminals probably would have done it either which way so meh.[/QUOTE]
Fallacy. It doesn't work. It doesn't prevent people.
[QUOTE=Afgman;24424233]Some people will need to die, but you are worried about people who did a serious crime? What about the children in the floods of Pakistan? Kind of funny how a human works.[/QUOTE]
Don't fucking pull the starving african children card. You can't do anything about a flood, but you can stop killing people by intent.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;24424091][b]What's the point to killing them? No one can tell me this.[/b][/QUOTE]
Some criminals can't be rehabilitated, something inside their minds compels them to murder or rape. These people cannot be rehabilitated, and if released are very likely, if not guaranteed, to re-offend. In order to prevent such a thing from happening again, the person must be either confined in an isolated location for the rest of their life, which costs a lot of money, and risks them escaping, or they must be killed. In this respect, a psychiatric evaluation would also be mandated to ensure that rehabilitation is not an option, and killing them is the only way to ensure they never re-offend.
The reason people say the death penalty costs so much, is because of all the numerous bail appeals, and the cost of killing them with a lethal injection. There are much less expensive ways to kill someone than a toxin being injected into them, but on the respect of bail hearings, I believe that they should be entitled, if sentenced to death, to have at least one review of the case after sentencing, and that it be ensured that they indeed committed the crime and are unable to be rehabilitated. There are ways to make the death penalty less expensive, they just need to be implemented.
[QUOTE=Aman V;24424247]Also, I obviously don't speak for everyone but I'd feel slightly deterred to commit crime if I knew I might be executed.
But the crimes that receive the death penalty those criminals probably would have done it either which way so meh.[/QUOTE]
If you're receiving the death penalty, you knew you were doing something very illegal yet you continued.
[QUOTE=Afgman;24424233]Some people will need to die, but you are worried about people who did a serious crime? What about the children in the floods of Pakistan? Kind of funny how a human works.
Are you barbaric?
Innocent people are killed from the death penalty more often than guilty people due to this train of thought.
Think for a fucking second.
Define Barbaric?
Innocent people are killed from the death penalty more often than guilty people due to this train of thought.
Than we will fix that.[/QUOTE]
No, I'm worried about human rights. Something you seem fucking GLEEFUL to violate.
Barbaric, as in not utilizing our full powers of rationalization and just going with the most base instinct, vengeance. That's barbarism.
Fix that? It costs millions more.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;24424249]So you kill them? No, how about leave them to rot in the many, many prisons the US has? Let out the non-violent drug offenders such as possession of marijuana guys(The prisons are filled with them, more of them than any other group) and space is ample for them.
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Fallacy. It doesn't work. It doesn't prevent people.[/QUOTE]
It does work for people who are normal, but the people who commit such fucked up crimes are not normal, but why would we let him rot and use the tax dollars on someone who is just better of dead.
No, I'm worried about human rights. Something you seem fucking GLEEFUL to violate.
Humans rights? Those are just simple rights given to us so our Gov. will not have complete control of us.
Barbaric, as in not utilizing our full powers of rationalization and just going with the most base instinct, vengeance. That's barbarism.
Than I think anyone who watched porn is a Barbarian.
Fix that? It costs millions more.
So you are worried about money now?
[QUOTE=DaCommie1;24424262]Some criminals can't be rehabilitated, something inside their minds compels them to murder or rape. These people cannot be rehabilitated, and if released are very likely, if not guaranteed, to re-offend. In order to prevent such a thing from happening again, the person must be either confined in an isolated location for the rest of their life, which costs a lot of money, and risks them escaping, or they must be killed. In this respect, a psychiatric evaluation would also be mandated to ensure that rehabilitation is not an option, and killing them is the only way to ensure they never re-offend.[/QUOTE]
Please stop posting, no stop talking. Don't write, talk or communicate in any manner ever again.
Or I'm afraid I'll something important inside me might pop.
[QUOTE=DaCommie1;24424262]Some criminals can't be rehabilitated, something inside their minds compels them to murder or rape. These people cannot be rehabilitated, and if released are very likely, if not guaranteed, to re-offend. In order to prevent such a thing from happening again, the person must be either confined in an isolated location for the rest of their life, which costs a lot of money, and risks them escaping, or they must be killed. In this respect, a psychiatric evaluation would also be mandated to ensure that rehabilitation is not an option, and killing them is the only way to ensure they never re-offend.
The reason people say the death penalty costs so much, is because of all the numerous bail appeals, and the cost of killing them with a lethal injection. There are much less expensive ways to kill someone than a toxin being injected into them, but on the respect of bail hearings, I believe that they should be entitled, if sentenced to death, to have at least one review of the case after sentencing, and that it be ensured that they indeed committed the crime and are unable to be rehabilitated. There are ways to make the death penalty less expensive, they just need to be implemented.[/QUOTE]
So you lock them up in the ample jail space we have in the US once you let out nonviolent offenders like I already said.
Killing them is irreversible should something change. Locking them up is not.
You can't stop killing by intent, sorry to burst the bubble it's not gonna happen.
[QUOTE=Afgman;24424287]It does work for people who are normal, but the people who commit such fucked up crimes are not normal, but why would we let him rot and use the tax dollars on someone who is just better of dead.[/QUOTE]
Because no one is better off dead is fucking why.
[QUOTE=Afgman;24424287]It does work for people who are normal, but the people who commit such fucked up crimes are not normal, but why would we let him rot and use the tax dollars on someone who is just better of dead.[/QUOTE]
It prevents normal people just like [b]common sense prevents normal people[/b]. It's more costly to kill them for fucks sakes. What don't you get about this? I've pointed this out in 10 posts over 3 pages, and you've never got this.
[QUOTE=Mabus;24424304]You can't stop killing by intent, sorry to burst the bubble it's not gonna happen.[/QUOTE]
Yes you can, it's very simple, you see that you are killing people, then you make the desicion that that isn't any good. Then you stop. It's very, very simple.
[QUOTE=BmB;24424336]Yes you can, it's very simple, you see that you are killing people, then you make the desicion that that isn't any good. Then you stop. It's very, very simple.[/QUOTE]
You are living a fantasy land... Honestly do you know how the world works or how many people die each day for stupid things?
It prevents normal people just like common sense prevents normal people. It's more costly to kill them for fucks sakes. What don't you get about this? I've pointed this out in 10 posts over 3 pages, and you've never got this.
Its more costly to hang them than keep them in jail? Letting them rot with the complete thought of what they did.
Please stop posting, no stop talking. Don't write, talk or communicate in any manner ever again.
Or I'm afraid I'll something important inside me might pop.
Some criminals cannot change, and I am sorry if this is to hard for you to swallow.
Because no one is better off dead is fucking why.
Yes let them live and waste tax dollars and not use that money to help other poor people? Yes, let the man live on in a prison knowing everything he did to a bunch of innocent people.
I think you guys watched to much Disney channel.
[QUOTE=Afgman;24424287]It does work for people who are normal, but the people who commit such fucked up crimes are not normal, but why would we let him rot and use the tax dollars on someone who is just better of dead.
No, I'm worried about human rights. Something you seem fucking GLEEFUL to violate.
Humans rights? Those are just simple rights given to us so our Gov. will not have complete control of us.
Barbaric, as in not utilizing our full powers of rationalization and just going with the most base instinct, vengeance. That's barbarism.
Than I think anyone who watched porn is a Barbarian.
Fix that? It costs millions more.
So you are worried about money now?[/QUOTE]
You're so dense you might as well be a troll.
Porn is barbaric? Ok then... I'll just ignore that it's just sex, but then again, you think sodomists should go to jail..
Money is an issue in this argument, YOU'VE BROUGHT IT UP JUST AS MANY TIMES. Stop being a hypocrite.
Human rights... :pseudo:
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