A thread about a gun in SH and no anti-gun debates? We've become adults now have we? wait nvm
I don't know about this aren't American importers just kind of terrible?
[QUOTE=BuDSpOoNce;46978805]it's so bizarre how into gun culture americans are[/QUOTE]
bizarre to you
guns are cool as shit
[QUOTE=BuDSpOoNce;46978805]it's so bizarre how into gun culture americans are[/QUOTE]
you can't tell me you don't orgasm a little bit when you fire off a 12 gauge shotgun? The recoil as it shivers down your body, into your prostate.
[QUOTE=Sir_takeslot;46978207]Bizons are military only.[/QUOTE]
A private company could rip off the design to produce a domestic version for the American market easily enough.
What the fuck is Russia going to do about it?
[editline]21st January 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=isreal?;46978414]Real AK's or AK copies? They must be a subsidiary otherwise it's just a copy.[/QUOTE]
Copies produced from real Russian schematics using American made parts.
So like 50/50 real/copy, but it's going to be a much better copy than the current shit you can get (Radoms, WASR's, etc) because this company owns the rights to the Kalashnikov pattern rifles (they were the original importer)
[editline]21st January 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=BuDSpOoNce;46978805]it's so bizarre how into gun culture americans are[/QUOTE]
It's so bizarre how every time a thread about guns is posted a non-american has to give his two cents about how he doesn't understand our culture, and/or insult it in some way.
[QUOTE=BuDSpOoNce;46978805]it's so bizarre how into gun culture americans are[/QUOTE]
It's so sad to see others trivialize another persons job or hobby because of disagreements personally over the content created.
[QUOTE=BuDSpOoNce;46978805]it's so bizarre how into gun culture americans are[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=A B.A. Survivor;46977671]It may be illegal here, but that doesn't mean it's not legal somewhere else![/QUOTE]
US has been making their own AK copies for ages now.
Hell, if you look around enough you can buy a fully american Ak-74U semi-auto only. It will be considered a PISTOL from the legal standpoint, you can own it legally in most states.
-snip then-
[QUOTE=MuffinZerg;46983073]US has been making their own AK copies for ages now.
Hell, if you look around enough you can buy a fully american Ak-74U semi-auto only. It will be considered a PISTOL from the legal standpoint, you can own it legally in most states.[/QUOTE]
No. Actually these are normal AK 47 or 74's with shortened gas pistons, kinda the same length of an AKS-74U, short barrels, and with the stock removed. Because it can be operated with one hand it is considered a pistol. As for a semi-automatic AKS-74U, I really, really wish but it would still be listed as a National Firearms Act controlled weapon because it's a short barreled rifle. Basically might make it full auto too because you'd need the same licenses and pay the same tax stamp.
[editline]21st January 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=w00tf1zh;46983083]Oh great, more school shootings then. This shouldn't be praised.[/QUOTE]
Please. You're not going to go far and it will just end bad for all involved. Don't try to create a debate when there isn't one.
Please. Please. Pretty please Domestic built SVD. True SVD.
[QUOTE=BuDSpOoNce;46978805]it's so bizarre how into gun culture americans are[/QUOTE]
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_culture_in_the_United_States[/url]
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or how brits are willing to put up with the fact that their [B]government has so little faith in them that they need to show ID to buy plastic cutlery[/B] and have massive restrictions on shit like air rifles and airsoft guns[/QUOTE]
Where do you people find this bollocks. Whenever things like that happens its usually a shop screwing up anyway.
As for replica firearms, I don't see what the problem with restricting their ownership to people who have a "valid" reason for owning them. Its better than people (en mass) committing crimes with them and ruining any hobby that involves them.
Oh and air rifle restrictions are literally have to be 18 and purchase them in person.
Sorta just checking up on my facts JSM, but isn't Scotlands and Wales trying to force the whole air gun(and airsoft) permit deal?
[QUOTE=Snoberry Tea;46980054]Copies produced from real Russian schematics using American made parts.
So like 50/50 real/copy, but it's going to be a much better copy than the current shit you can get (Radoms, WASR's, etc) because this company owns the rights to the Kalashnikov pattern rifles (they were the original importer)[/QUOTE]
All he's got are rights to use the Kalashnikov name in the US (and even that's just a marketing move, because the russian Kalashnikov company was only created in 2013, before that AKs were simply manufactured by Izmash/Tula etc) because he was their importer before the sanctions against russia stopped imports.
So he's just straight up building copies. Which anyone can do, but seeing as he's hyping up the russian connection they will probably be as close to russian made as he can manage.
Possibly to probably better than Radoms and WASRs, just have to wait for them to hit the market to see.
Who knows. Maybe they have the specifications for the machines that stamp the parts and such. Depending on the method used to construct them, the machines used, the blueprints and shit... We could have a weapon that is realistically as close as we'll get to a true Kalashnikov, but it's just made by an American subsidiary company.
[QUOTE=BuDSpOoNce;46978805]it's so bizarre how into gun culture americans are[/QUOTE]
I think it's rather awesome and at times I am a bit jealous
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;46983609]Sorta just checking up on my facts JSM, but isn't Scotlands and Wales trying to force the whole air gun(and airsoft) permit deal?[/QUOTE]
Last I heard they were trying to push some stuff in Scotland only but I haven't heard anything more about it for a while so I would assume that is dead in the water (for now anyway).
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[QUOTE=purvisdavid1;46978447]Yugo's are weird because their trunnions are bulged like RPK's, Romanian's have those weird wood forward handguard grips, but I can't think of anything odd from the Bulgarian or Polish rifles. Bulgaria has licensed the AK pattern and has done little to nothing to change the design, whereas the Polish added their little improvements here and there, like with the Tantal and Beryl AK74 rifles they produce, but I think even Polish AK-47's are much closer to original Russian AK-47's than Yugo or Romanian rifles.[/QUOTE]
There's more than that thought. Bulgarians and polish ate usually "flat back" with out a tang sticking from the receiver. Yugos have a block inside of the receiver similar to milled aks only stamped. The others usually have a slant back or twin tang at the end of the receivers.
[editline]21st January 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=isreal?;46978466]The article is confusing, it implies they're affiliated but it doesn't sound like they are. By "real" AK's I mean AK's made by Kalashnikov and their subsidiaries, ie: Izmash.[/QUOTE]
I doubt we'll ever see a "real" AK again. Hell I argue that the saiga and veprs aren't real ak's anyways since they've been so neutered.
These aren't AMD-65s and are therefore inferior
Would love for them to give us a price range before we get too hyped.
Would love for people to read the article before they get too hyped. Everyone's going on about SVDs, Bizons, Grozas, VALs, etc and there's not even so much as a mention of such things. Who knows if these guys can even turn out a quality AK. Prior to the sanctions these guys were an importer and distributor. Actually building the guns is an entirely different thing.
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;46984412]These aren't AMD-65s[/QUOTE]
Good, cuz they look like shit.
[img]http://www.centerfiresystems.com/productimages/long_guns/AKAGUN-AMD_rt-B.jpg[/img]
"hurr durr I am rifl of klashnikoff"
[QUOTE=jimhowl33t;46986431]Good, cuz they look like shit.
[img]http://www.centerfiresystems.com/productimages/long_guns/AKAGUN-AMD_rt-B.jpg[/img]
"hurr durr I am rifl of klashnikoff"[/QUOTE]
All these wannabes man
Some day, someone will make a lawnmower out of an AKM's cycling action. It's the only way any engineer could truly honor Mr. Kalashnikov.
I wish I could own guns, but it's such a huge legal hassle in France to even get one gun that it's not worth it.
Probably going to eventually get a collection of replicas though, you can legally own any replica of a weapon made before 1900 and not have to fill any paperwork.
[QUOTE=Dispenser;46986241]Actually building the guns is an entirely different thing.[/QUOTE]
I actually wouldn't be that surprised if they could build a quality gun, because AK's have to be the simplest rifles ever.
Case in point - a website that offers AK build tools that do not require the builder have a 12 or 20 ton hydraulic presses to build the rifle.
[url]http://tothtool.3dcartstores.com/[/url]
Find the tools and watch the instructions for them. It's a little ridiculous.
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;46977670]Yeah, but now it's a true Kalashnikov.
And SVD/SVDS and SKS. Another cool thing is that they might sell the Bizon here![/QUOTE]
It's hard to say if it's true Kalashnikov or not. The company doing this is the company that used to import Russian made firearms like Saiga. We don't know if it actually uses Kalashnikov tooling or parts, just has their name. It could be the real deal, or it could be like the .22 HK MP-5, where it's got the branding rights but is made by a different company using different construction.
[editline]22nd January 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=Propane Addict;46985919]Would love for them to give us a price range before we get too hyped.[/QUOTE]
I'd expect a couple hundred bucks more than WASRs and the like sell for now. Hopefully it forces Arsenal to drop their prices to compete, though. $1,000 for an AK is bullshit.
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;46984412]These aren't AMD-65s and are therefore inferior[/QUOTE]
AMD-65's are a completely different ball game than AK-47's. You can't compare the two.
It's like trying to compare an AK-47 to a vz58
[editline]22nd January 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=Ganerumo;46987438]I wish I could own guns, but it's such a huge legal hassle in France to even get one gun that it's not worth it.
Probably going to eventually get a collection of replicas though, you can legally own any replica of a weapon made before 1900 and not have to fill any paperwork.[/QUOTE]
Move to America, Frenchbro. Our women will love your weird accent, you can eat bbq until you explode, and guns flow from the mountains like spring water.
[editline]22nd January 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=purvisdavid1;46987737]because AK's have to be the simplest rifles ever.
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Nope. Black Powder Rifles are the simplest rifles ever.
It's literally a barrel with a hole in it with a spring-loaded hammer that either strikes a percussion cap or pan of black powder.
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