Israeli Troops Invade Qalandiya Refugee Camp and Kill Two civilians
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How can you possibly compare Israeli troops to the SS. That is utter bullshit.
[QUOTE=Megafanx13;31676111]So even when in a refugee camp, to search houses no less, soldiers aren't obligated to give even the slightest shit whether or not to use lethal force?[/QUOTE]
Oh of course they are.
But once soldiers start getting injured that situation changes entirely.
[QUOTE=Megafanx13;31675501]This was a [B]refugee camp.[/B] Where was the justification?
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Hiding Militants?, the Israeli Government know more in that respect than you or me.
[QUOTE=LiquidNazgul;31675718]You just oversimplified it even [I]more![/I]
1. Palestinians=/=Arabs.
2. Not all Palestinians and Arabs are Muslims, and not all Israelis are Jewish. Instead of saying "give the place to the Muslims", it should be "give the place to the Palestinians".[/QUOTE]
I was thinking about writing Israelis and Palestinians but this more of a religious war.
[QUOTE=Hick2;31676245]Hiding Militants?, the Israeli Government know more in that respect than you or me.[/QUOTE]
The source articles make no mention of anything like that beyond saying that they went in to "arrest people", and I'm not going to assume that militant presence was the case simply because you say it might be.
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[QUOTE=Timebomb575;31676198]Oh of course they are.
But once soldiers start getting injured that situation changes entirely.[/QUOTE]
They're throwing rocks at soldiers with assault rifles. This isn't rocket science.
Who would throw rocks at soldiers. Its just ASKING for trouble.
[QUOTE=Laferio;31676391]Who would throw rocks at soldiers. Its just ASKING for trouble.[/QUOTE]
People who don't want to have their houses/tents forcefully searched but what they see as an occupation force?
[QUOTE=Megafanx13;31676356]
They're throwing rocks at soldiers with assault rifles. This isn't rocket science.[/QUOTE]
Right, throwing rocks at armed soldiers that are large enough or in great enough volume to injure them.
DONT WORRY GUYS THEY ARENT GOING TO TRY DO DEFEND THEMSELVES NO SIR.
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[QUOTE=Megafanx13;31676548]People who don't want to have their houses/tents forcefully searched but what they see as an occupation force?[/QUOTE]
Solution? Try to forcefully repel them by attacking them and expect them not to fight back!
[QUOTE=Timebomb575;31676629]Right, throwing rocks at armed soldiers that are large enough or in great enough volume to injure them.
DONT WORRY GUYS THEY ARENT GOING TO TRY DO DEFEND THEMSELVES NO SIR.[/QUOTE]
You really think they had no option other than shooting them? Don't be so naive.
[QUOTE=Timebomb575;31676629]Solution? Try to forcefully repel them by attacking them and expect them not to fight back![/quote]
Next step? Make the people who already don't like you hate you even more!
[QUOTE=Timebomb575;31676629]Right, throwing rocks at armed soldiers that are large enough or in great enough volume to injure them.
DONT WORRY GUYS THEY ARENT GOING TO TRY DO DEFEND THEMSELVES NO SIR.
Solution? Try to forcefully repel them by attacking them and expect them not to fight back![/QUOTE]
Ahahahahaha.
The Israelis were invasive and you're pinning it on the refugees.
[QUOTE=Billiam;31676706]Ahahahahaha.
The Israelis were invasive and you're pinning it on the refugees.[/QUOTE]
Let's weigh the two sides here:
Israel - Sends armed soldiers to a refugee camp to forcefully search houses and arrest people, shoots rock-throwers in self-defense.
Palestine - Refugees that don't want to be forcefully searched throw rocks and injure several IDF soldiers.
Yeah, sorry, it's pretty fucking hard to make an argument for Israel.
I love how every time this happens, the justification is "the soldiers lives were in danger!". When you try to point out the hypocrisy in this, the most hilarious arguments come up.
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"I doubt a rock is going to do much to a soldier, let alone a soldier in one of the most well funded militaries in the world"
"Yeah well what if he doesn't have body armor?!??!"
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"They should have used less lethal means of crowd disperson"
"Yeah well what if they don't have any?!?!?!"
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They should have had the proper equipment to conduct the mission without using lethal force
"Yeah well what if they don't have the proper equipment?!??!?!"
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No really, I don't really get it. This seems to be the main argument used in all these threads. That it is the Palestinian's fault because apparently the Israeli soldiers aren't equipped or something. News flash to all you people, Israel an incredibly well funded military, if they wanted to do something without shedding blood they could easily do it. They know full well the result of these operations and they don't give two shits.
Do you people really think that these soldiers didn't think the Palestinians were going to do something to them?
If you plan on going into an area where you [b]know[/b] there is [b]definitely[/b] going to be hostility and tension, bring the necessary gear to protect you.
It doesn't matter anyways though, Israel uses live ammunition because they [b]want[/b] to use live ammunition.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;31673692]because if one hits you it could kill or seriously injure you
yup hes supposed to pull the rubber bullets right out of his ass right?[/QUOTE]
Point and case, disgusting.
[QUOTE=Rofl my Waff;31676942]I love how every time this happens, the justification is "the soldiers lives were in danger!". When you try to point out the hypocrisy in this, the most hilarious arguments come up.
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"I doubt a rock is going to do much to a soldier, let alone a soldier in one of the most well funded militaries in the world"
"Yeah well what if he doesn't have body armor?!??!"
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"They should have used less lethal means of crowd disperson"
"Yeah well what if they don't have any?!?!?!"
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They should have had the proper equipment to conduct the mission without using lethal force
"Yeah well what if they don't have the proper equipment?!??!?!"
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No really, I don't really get it. This seems to be the main argument used in all these threads. That it is the Palestinian's fault because apparently the Israeli soldiers aren't equipped or something. News flash to all you people, Israel an incredibly well funded military, if they wanted to do something without shedding blood they could easily do it. They know full well the result of these operations and they don't give two shits.
Do you people really think that these soldiers didn't think the Palestinians were going to do something to them?
If you plan on going into an area where you [b]know[/b] there is [b]definitely[/b] going to be hostility and tension, bring the necessary gear to protect you.
It doesn't matter anyways though, Israel uses live ammunition because they [b]want[/b] to use live ammunition.
Point and case, disgusting.[/QUOTE]
ok yea lets kill all israeli citizens because they are just as guilty as the government for their actions
Highlight the part where I said that.
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is this where you call me an anti semite or something
[QUOTE=Rofl my Waff;31677039]Highlight the part where I said that.
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is this where you call me an anti semite or something[/QUOTE]
you implied it by saying my point was disgusting. if you read what iv been posting you would realize how stupid you are.
Can you read my post too? I'd appreciate it, I think you skipped down to where you saw your name to be honest.
Your post is a direct reference to my post, where I point out that people try to justify the actions of the IDF by pointing out that they apparently are ill equipped to handle riots in a non lethal way and therefore it is justified.
[QUOTE=Rofl my Waff;31677136]Can you read my post too? I'd appreciate it, I think you skipped down to where you saw your name to be honest.
Your post is a direct reference to my post, where I point out that people try to justify the actions of the IDF by pointing out that they apparently are ill equipped to handle riots in a non lethal way and therefore it is justified.[/QUOTE]
im not justifying the actions of "the idf"
im justifying the actions of a few soldiers who were being attacked. the idf didnt outfit the soldiers properly so they are as much to blame as the mob of people throwing rocks.
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maybe if you actually read my posts you would realize that
That is retarded logic and it is used every other month when Israel does this. Guess what, they are to blame.
For one, as it's been pointed out, the shots they fired were indiscriminate, one man was shot in the head.
and two, it's pretty clear that the reason lethal force is used is because the IDF couldn't give a shit about life preservation.
[QUOTE=Rofl my Waff;31677211]That is retarded logic and it is used every other month when Israel does this. Guess what, they are to blame.
For one, as it's been pointed out, the shots they fired were indiscriminate, one man was shot in the head.[/quote]
they had every right to fire like that. they had an angry fucking mob attacking them trying to kill them.
would it have been better if the soldiers had just been stoned to death?
[quote]and two, it's pretty clear that the reason lethal force is used is because the IDF couldn't give a shit about life preservation.[/QUOTE]
thats the soldiers fault how?
You are recycling that argument. I find it hard to believe the soldiers went in there not realizing what would happen, I'm not going to sit idly by every time soldiers murder palestinians and say "it's not their fault"
And as for them having "every right". Can you explain to me why they have the right to shoot someone in the head instead of the air, ground, or leg? Palestinians are humans too, things that work in every other country in the world during riots probably would work during a small clash.
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I also find it laughable how deadly people consider rocks. Like a split second decision is required or your life is pretty much forfeit.
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on second thought people only consider rocks deadly when palestinians throw them. Egyptians, Syrians, Tunisians, Libyans, etc. different story.
[QUOTE=Rofl my Waff;31677436]I also find it laughable how deadly people consider rocks. Like a split second decision is required or your life is pretty much forfeit.[/QUOTE]
Not exactly life-threatening.
[QUOTE=Rofl my Waff;31677436]You are recycling that argument. I find it hard to believe the soldiers went in there not realizing what would happen, I'm not going to sit idly by every time soldiers murder palestinians and say "it's not their fault"[/quote]
THEY DONT HAVE A CHOICE
how about you join the army and then disobey orders? see how fast you get thrown into a fucking military prison
[QUOTE=Megafanx13;31676788]Let's weigh the two sides here:
Israel - Sends armed soldiers to a refugee camp to forcefully search houses and arrest people, shoots rock-throwers in self-defense.
Palestine - Refugees that don't want to be forcefully searched throw rocks and injure several IDF soldiers.
Yeah, sorry, it's pretty fucking hard to make an argument for Israel.[/QUOTE]
I knew I was going to have to post this again.
I DO NOT IN ANY WAY CONDONE THE OPERATION ITSELF, NOR THE ISRAELI POLICIES THAT LEAD TO SUCH OPERATIONS.
But DONT pin it on the soldiers, pin it on those who sent them in in the first place.
Sorry, I have no respect for this argument. Mainly because you are speculating on the intent of the soldiers in question.
Either way there are always less lethal alternatives to a shot in the head.
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my post works for both people above me.
[QUOTE=Rofl my Waff;31677535]Sorry, I have no respect for this argument. Mainly because you are speculating on the intent of the soldiers in question.
Either way there are always less lethal alternatives to a shot in the head.[/QUOTE]
lol
[QUOTE=yawmwen;31677487]THEY DONT HAVE A CHOICE
how about you join the army and then disobey orders? see how fast you get thrown into a fucking military prison[/QUOTE]
They're acting like this is call of duty and you can just do whatever the fuck you want and pull whatever equipment you want out of your ass.
The soldier on the ground doesnt give a flying fuck about politics, when their buddies start getting injured, they will fight back.
[QUOTE=Timebomb575;31677562]They're acting like this is call of duty and you can just do whatever the fuck you want and pull whatever equipment you want out of your ass.
The soldier on the ground doesnt give a flying fuck about politics, when their buddies start getting injured, they will fight back.[/QUOTE]
IT WAS ROCKS. [B]ROCKS.[/B]
[QUOTE=Megafanx13;31677584]IT WAS ROCKS. [B]ROCKS.[/B][/QUOTE]
rocks are a fucking form of execution in the middle east and asia
[QUOTE=yawmwen;31677552]lol[/QUOTE]
Yeah, man, fuck retreating or using any less lethal force than a fucking gun to stop people from throwing rocks at you. The bare minimum would be a fucking warning shot in the air, at the very least.
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thats the soldiers fault how?[/QUOTE]
They're the ones doing the killing, i thought this would have been obvious.
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