• Israeli Troops Invade Qalandiya Refugee Camp and Kill Two civilians
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[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;31698462]nice post containing literally any substance at all[/QUOTE] I said what I wanted to say
hi there, i'm an israeli soldier. i am a static, stationary entity whose only option when faced with the deadly rock menace is to fire round after round into a crowd of people. shoot or die are literally the only two options that exist for me according to prime intellectual debate forum facepunch
[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;31698499]hi there, i'm an israeli soldier. i am a static, stationary entity whose only option when faced with the deadly rock menace is to fire round after round into a crowd of people. shoot or die are literally the only two options that exist for me according to prime intellectual debate forum facepunch[/QUOTE] I'd say that the actions available to the soldiers depends on how many were throwing rocks, but in scenario would I condone firing on these people. The characterization of them as "enemy combatants" is ridiculous.
Comparing people you don't like to the Nazis is a tried and true way to get ignored. not that I'm falling on either side of the fence but that's kind of a shit way to argue
[QUOTE=Strider_07;31698850]Comparing people you don't like to the Nazis is a tried and true way to get ignored. not that I'm falling on either side of the fence but that's kind of a shit way to argue[/QUOTE] It even has a specific name. Godwin's Law. [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law[/url]
[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;31698499]hi there, i'm an israeli soldier. i am a static, stationary entity whose only option when faced with the deadly rock menace is to fire round after round into a crowd of people. shoot or die are literally the only two options that exist for me according to prime intellectual debate forum facepunch[/QUOTE] i don't like the shooting either but i'm not going to condemn someone defending themselves from an angry crowd of people throwing dozens of rocks and injuring five soldiers. what i will condemn is israel sending in the army to do a police department's job and their treatment of the palestinians in general. [editline]12th August 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Megafanx13;31677600]Yeah, man, fuck retreating or using any less lethal force than a fucking gun to stop people from throwing rocks at you. The bare minimum would be a fucking warning shot in the air, at the very least.[/QUOTE] soldiers aren't trained to control a mob of people non-lethally, you can't expect someone to do a job they're not qualified to do. once again, this is the fault of the higher-ups in the IDF for sending riflemen to do searches.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;31696443]no its not your obviously very dense if they posed as much of a threat to the lives of the soldiers as this mob did then yes it would. thats what happens in iraq when little kids pick up guns and shoot at american soldiers.[/QUOTE] I've never seen a person advocate killing children this has been a learning experience, people as morally bankrupt as you exist. [editline]12th August 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=yawmwen;31696540] especially if your jewish because fuck the jews amirite amute[/QUOTE] I'm jewish [img]http://www.reelscotland.com/wp-content/uploads/theroom.jpg[/img]
[QUOTE=amute;31692296]Rioters in the west throw worse things than rocks. They through pieces of debris, things on fucking fire, glass, all sorts of things. Is that attempted lethal assualt enough? Or is the only time it's attempted lethal assault if Middle Eastern people are doing it? Except this wasn't what happened. At what point can police start mowing down the rioters in London? If they're doing equally dangerous things. First you aren't exactly the go-to person on human rights abuses, seeing as you defend the fuck out of them. Second, you're basically adding all sorts of factors that weren't fucking there, so you can't go into this whole philosophy of when soldiers have the right to murder people. The fact of the matter is this: They were protected enough, and they used unnecessary force and murdered two innocent people. Now, you probably see it as two uppity brown people being put down, but in reality it's a human rights violation.[/QUOTE] because what actually happened here? we don't know - there's simply a line of text saying that palestinians threw rocks and two of them got shot. hardly an explanation of what's going on. secondly, why are you playing the "middle eastern" race card again? except that's not the point. i'm disputing your insinuation that rock-based assaults should never be responded to with lethal force. you haven't answered it, either. firstly, since when have i been some sort of "defend the fuck out of human rights abuse" person. oh, that's right - i haven't. secondly, you're once again misunderstanding my argument that rocks can warrant lethal response. in the context of this situation, there needs to be more information provided than just "they threw rocks and died". consequently, i CAN go into this whole philosophy of when soldiers have the right to defend themselves. love the use of "murder"; it's a brilliant buzz-word, isn't it. i suppose us troops murdered their way up the shores of normandy on d-day, as well? the matter of the fact is: there is no call to say they were "protected enough", particularly by a non-expert such as yourself. i'm not making comment on what went down in that event because there is insufficient information. finally, you're now accusing me of being an anti-arabic racist, which is a pathetic way to try and shut down anyone who dares disagree with you.
[QUOTE=Marbalo;31696520]We stopped one flotilla and the world goes apeshit. We send in 2 billion pound of supplies into the Gaza district, and nobody says a word. Stay classy media.[/QUOTE] Hey man, when you go and steal somebody else's land, the least you can do is to provide them with basic supplies.
[QUOTE=jaykray;31698425]nice generalisation.[/QUOTE] he's pretty much right. FPers (majority of them being american) get very defensive if anyone talks about strengthening gun control. they get mad just if someone wants to STRENGTHEN gun control, not even ban them. [editline]12th August 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=SigmaLambda;31698499]hi there, i'm an israeli soldier. i am a static, stationary entity whose only option when faced with the deadly rock menace is to fire round after round into a crowd of people. shoot or die are literally the only two options that exist for me according to prime intellectual debate forum facepunch[/QUOTE] those silly brown people deserved it. they're throwing lethal rocks at the soldiers!!
[QUOTE=amute;31699605]I've never seen a person advocate killing children this has been a learning experience, people as morally bankrupt as you exist.[/quote] um so you are supposed to let child insurgents kill you? [quote]I'm jewish [/QUOTE] so? your a bigot
All these arguments are stupid because nobody has any idea what really happened, and nobody ever will except the soldiers and the refugees. The fact of the matter is, a tragic death occurred due to the Israeli [b]government[/b] conducting a search of a camp. I certainly hope the incident is fully investigated and that any/all offenders, including the soldier if that be the case, are prosecuted to the fullest extent.
[QUOTE=Megafanx13;31696296]I'm not saying it's black and white, but he says those things as Palestinians are treated just as well as Israelis, and that just isn't the case.[/QUOTE] quite a bit late, but no. he says those things to make it clear that it isn't the brightest of ideas to equal nazi germany and israel.
[QUOTE=Beanz;31704925]quite a bit late, but no. he says those things to make it clear that it isn't the brightest of ideas to equal nazi germany and israel.[/QUOTE] Then yes, that's a fair thing to say.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;31702179]um so you are supposed to let child insurgents kill you? so? your a bigot[/QUOTE] They're kids, yawmwen, and they have rocks, yawmwen, so they're not insurgents yawmen, okay yawmen? So I'm a bigot against Jews even though I'm a jew. And I never once mentioned anything about anyone jewish. You remind me of a drunk uncle, in between nit picking the absolute FUCK out of absolutly EVERYTHING which is what you do best, you're advocating child killing.
you know if all the european populace didnt run the jews out of their continent this wouldnt of happened they'r einsreal because they had no where else to go so now they plucked them into arab world and as you know the arabs and jews hate each other
I know I sure wouldn't throw a rock at an armed guard.
I would also defend myself, i wouldn't want to die by a crazed mob.
israel is aware of the fact that we have extremely effective non-lethal riot technology right? you don't even have to go high tech, fucking RUBBER BULLETS will put them down without killing them. israel simply [b]does not care[/b] about human life, and they constantly demonstrate this in the headlines. also yawmwen, congrats on pulling the "racist card" on amute, accusing a jew of being an anti-semite. when you cant think of an argument, just call them a racist, right?
[QUOTE=amute;31712514]They're kids, yawmwen, and they have rocks, yawmwen, so they're not insurgents yawmen, okay yawmen?[/quote] maybe not an insurgent, but an irregular armed combatant. [quote]So I'm a bigot against Jews even though I'm a jew. And I never once mentioned anything about anyone jewish.[/quote] your a bigot against hebrews, not necessarily jews. [quote]You remind me of a drunk uncle, in between nit picking the absolute FUCK out of absolutly EVERYTHING which is what you do best, you're advocating child killing.[/QUOTE] well im an alcoholic and an uncle. [editline]13th August 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Kopimi;31714930] also yawmwen, congrats on pulling the "racist card" on amute, accusing a jew of being an anti-semite. when you cant think of an argument, just call them a racist, right?[/QUOTE] what about everyone else pulling the racist card the whole fucking thread? and i retracted my statement about anti-semitism and replaced it with anti-hebrew/israeli.
Israel are massive hypocrites.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;31715206]maybe not an insurgent, but an irregular armed combatant. your a bigot against hebrews, not necessarily jews. well im an alcoholic and an uncle. [editline]13th August 2011[/editline] what about everyone else pulling the racist card the whole fucking thread? and i retracted my statement about anti-semitism and replaced it with anti-hebrew/israeli.[/QUOTE] First off what do you mean by "hebrews" because that is a term for the ancient ethnicity of modern jews not modern israelis and second off just because you retracted a statement once you realized you made yourself look stupid doesn't mean you no longer look stupid.
[QUOTE=Rofl my Waff;31715468]First off what do you mean by "hebrews" because that is a term for the ancient ethnicity of modern jews not modern israelis and second off just because you retracted a statement once you realized you made yourself look stupid doesn't mean you no longer look stupid.[/QUOTE] k ur dumb lol
[QUOTE=yawmwen;31715474]k ur dumb lol[/QUOTE] Starting to think you are just a troll. Either that or just know nothing, not too sure.
[QUOTE=Rofl my Waff;31715578]Fantastic argument.[/QUOTE] yup
What do we learn from this? don't bring rocks to a gun fight.
[QUOTE=possum272;31717066]What do we learn from this? don't bring rocks to a gun fight.[/QUOTE] it was them who brought guns to a rock fight
[QUOTE=yawmwen;31715206]maybe not an insurgent, but an irregular armed combatant.[/quote] You still haven't answered my question, should British police use lethal force against rioters for using exactly the same tactics against them? [quote]your a bigot against hebrews, not necessarily jews.[/quote] You should stop, darling, you're going to confuse yourself. [quote]what about everyone else pulling the racist card the whole fucking thread? and i retracted my statement about anti-semitism and replaced it with anti-hebrew/israeli.[/QUOTE] Stop being a baby. [editline]14th August 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Rofl my Waff;31715578]Starting to think you are just a troll. Either that or just know nothing, not too sure.[/QUOTE] He always tries to argue the stupidest points or nit pick the ever loving fuck out of everything.
[QUOTE=amute;31720720]You still haven't answered my question, should British police use lethal force against rioters for using exactly the same tactics against them[/QUOTE] Soldiers arent police officers. They dont have a responsibility to at least make an effort to not kill thier agressors. Quite th opposite, they are supposed to be good at killing agressors as quickly as possible Edit: Which is why they shouldnt have been on this operation in the first place.
[QUOTE=Timebomb575;31720907]Soldiers arent police officers. They dont have a responsibility to at least make an effort to not kill thier agressors. Quite th opposite, they are supposed to be good at killing agressors as quickly as possible Edit: Which is why they shouldnt have been on this operation in the first place.[/QUOTE] You're talking as if these soldiers are mindless robots with no common sense whatsoever. Do you completely deny the possibility that maybe the soldiers shot the guys because they just hated the Palestinians? Or is that completely implausible in your mind? It seems like a very likely motive to me. There were a ton of things they could have done besides opening fire.
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