iPhone 6 and iOS 7 Reportedly Appearing in App Developer Logs
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[QUOTE=etrius0023;39086939]I-devices are like wii's and Android devices are like PC's.
I swear to god I hate every damn thing about Apple products.
Also anyone complaining about Android lag should check this out....going to try it out soon. [URL="http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1987032&nocache=1"]http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1987032&nocache=1[/URL][/QUOTE]
see that's the thing, some people don't want to deal with tweaks and shit, they just want their phone to work out of the box
Pretty much what Sivics said is correct, each phone or OS has their own advantages and disadvantages. No reason to hate any one of them considering each one has its own benefits. Just choose what's right for you. I tried out a few Android devices and iPhones and I decided to go with the iPhone because it suited me more. I know instantly that Windows Phone wouldn't be my thing either because I don't like the design and I rely on a lot of apps
[QUOTE=arleitiss;39080423]Duckfaces will be happy.
Seriously though - I think people still keep buying them not because of the super updated software or functionality but mostly to show - "look, I have a latest iphone and you don't"[/QUOTE]
I switched to the iPhone. Every single Android phone I had before (Droid, Transform, Optimus S) was abandoned by the developers shortly after and ran terribly. For the Droid, I could at least hack the phone for a few updates to keep it working thanks to Cynaogen. The fact is, with the iPhone I got I can have great battery life (basically all day even with me playing games about 3 or 4 hours), I love the games I can get on it (Vice City, Pheonix Wright - I don't think these were on the Android Store). The phones sturdy and the UI works great. I honestly have no idea why I would want to hack it.
I guess my point is there's reasons to get the iPhone over Android. A lot of people don't care about customizability (and a lot of people do, hence android), but people who don't may prefer the stability of a company that develops the OS towards specific hardware and cares about that hardware for at least a number of years. That's why I've got an iPhone and honestly I'll probably get another one when this one eventually gets old.
[QUOTE=Daniel M;39075859]Just stating for the record that iOS is an inferior, closed platform and people pay more for less.[/QUOTE]
Open and closed matter fuckall to a consumer.
If you're a developer it makes sense but really it's retarded to bring that argument up in a debate about which is better objectively.
[QUOTE=Desuh;39075126]fucking apple rehashing the iphone. how many more sequels will there be?[/QUOTE]
yeah, fuck them trying to make more products to continue operating as a company and to make money
they're pure evil, for sure
[QUOTE=mchapra;39087788]Open and closed matter fuckall to a consumer.
If you're a developer it makes sense but really it's retarded to bring that argument up in a debate about which is better objectively.[/QUOTE]
Arguing "objectively" about software is pretty impossible because it all comes down to what someone prefers. That's why people like Daniel M are complete imbeciles for even attempting to try and say something so ridiculous like one is inferior to the other. Hardware is objective, one thing is faster or superior to another, one screen is a better panel than another, but software can not be argued in such a fashion.
[QUOTE=Desuh;39075126]fucking apple rehashing the iphone. how many more sequels will there be?[/QUOTE]
this is so obviously facetious everyone.
[QUOTE=Shining_Sabe;39087759]I switched to the iPhone. Every single Android phone I had before (Droid, Transform, Optimus S) was abandoned by the developers shortly after and ran terribly. For the Droid, I could at least hack the phone for a few updates to keep it working thanks to Cynaogen. The fact is, with the iPhone I got I can have great battery life (basically all day even with me playing games about 3 or 4 hours), I love the games I can get on it (Vice City, Pheonix Wright - I don't think these were on the Android Store). The phones sturdy and the UI works great. I honestly have no idea why I would want to hack it.
I guess my point is there's reasons to get the iPhone over Android. A lot of people don't care about customizability (and a lot of people do, hence android), but people who don't may prefer the stability of a company that develops the OS towards specific hardware and cares about that hardware for at least a number of years. That's why I've got an iPhone and honestly I'll probably get another one when this one eventually gets old.[/QUOTE]
I have Vice City on my S3
[QUOTE=Shining_Sabe;39087759]I switched to the iPhone. Every single Android phone I had before (Droid, Transform, Optimus S) was abandoned by the developers shortly after and ran terribly. For the Droid, I could at least hack the phone for a few updates to keep it working thanks to Cynaogen. The fact is, with the iPhone I got I can have great battery life (basically all day even with me playing games about 3 or 4 hours), I love the games I can get on it (Vice City, Pheonix Wright - I don't think these were on the Android Store). The phones sturdy and the UI works great. I honestly have no idea why I would want to hack it.
I guess my point is there's reasons to get the iPhone over Android. A lot of people don't care about customizability (and a lot of people do, hence android), but people who don't may prefer the stability of a company that develops the OS towards specific hardware and cares about that hardware for at least a number of years. That's why I've got an iPhone and honestly I'll probably get another one when this one eventually gets old.[/QUOTE]
Alright so you bought the Motorola Droid back in late 2008 which featured a 500mhz processor and you complain about not getting updates? The Samsung Transform which was marketed as a low-end Android device on the Sprint network and the LG Optimus S which was never and will be recommended by anyone, ever.
Maybe you should get a flagship and before you say "THE MOTOROLA DROID WAS A FLAGSHIP" I will respond with it [b]was[/b] a flagship 4 years ago.
Your phone was supported all the way up to 2.3 Gingerbread and 4.0 was just released last November. You had quite a long run and it ran great considering the specs and the fact that Verizon was in control of the updating process. I know because I have that phone sitting on my desk right now and as for the rest, they were budget phones made in early/late 2010 and you really do get what you pay for.
Please do not compare your Samsung Transform which you got free on a 2 year contract with Sprint with your "latest and greatest" iPhone because that's just as bad as people that say "my $1500 iMac is faster than the Dell I bought at a flea market for $99."
[QUOTE=Ezhik;39087187]see that's the thing, some people don't want to deal with tweaks and shit, they just want their phone to work out of the box[/QUOTE]
...and you don't have to? I haven't done anything to my Nexus, it's not even rooted and it works great.
[QUOTE=Kaabii;39087831]Arguing "objectively" about software is pretty impossible because it all comes down to what someone prefers. That's why people like Daniel M are complete imbeciles for even attempting to try and say something so ridiculous like one is inferior to the other. Hardware is objective, one thing is faster or superior to another, one screen is a better panel than another, but software can not be argued in such a fashion.[/QUOTE]
I agree personally, poor choice of words on my part. I'm just honest to god angry at the fact that some people say "iOS is closed off" like it matters to consumers.
[QUOTE=Daniel M;39086487]If you don't feel like you want to customize your homescreen, don't. Pretty much any modern Android phone is more than usable for the average consumer and from my perspective, I find it much more easy to use since you don't have to dick around with iTune syncing and honestly, go into iPhone settings. It's a cluster fuck.
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Also I've noticed it's always the same people rating my posts dumb without any explanation. Let me redirect you guys to a website that applauds Apple cock sucking
[url]http://www.tuaw.com/[/url][/QUOTE]
I know you can have an android device and make no customizations to it, that's not what I'm saying, you were going over about how "Oh look at my phone, I made it do this, this and this, and what about your ph- OH YOU GOT AN iPHONE? AHHAA FAGGOT"
Also iTunes syncing isn't that bad, if you want terribad syncing and I mean gut wrenching, mind hurting, frustrating syncing, go over to Zune for Windows Phone, the amount of times I have to deal with the trainwreck almost feels like a burden on me.
[QUOTE=Ezhik;39087187]see that's the thing, some people don't want to deal with tweaks and shit, they just want their phone to work out of the box[/QUOTE]
You are aware that android phones, good android phones don't really need any tweaks or fixes to work?
I've had my galaxy note running stock rom since day one and I've yet to see an issue.
[QUOTE=RichyZ;39088253]android phones do work out of the box, even if you have a low end early android, it still functions fairly well for what actually matters (calling, texting, email)[/QUOTE]
samsungs very cost effective phones have some really bad performance, my samsung gio went under the knife for a year with me picking at just about everything until it pretty much kept stalling
[editline]4th January 2013[/editline]
probably my own fault but I just put tons of different ROM's on there to see what would happen, CM9 worked great
[QUOTE=mchapra;39088245]I agree personally, poor choice of words on my part. I'm just honest to god angry at the fact that some people say "iOS is closed off" like it matters to consumers.[/QUOTE]
A majority of Android users don't know what root access means, let alone what custom ROMs and kernels are out there. Would a majority of iPhone users know what jailbreaking is? I would definitely say it's a much larger part of "Apple culture" than the Android counterparts.
What does that say about their software? What does that say about "iPhone users don't care about customization"? What does that say about the entire piracy argument against using Android?
Although the "average consumer", in other words, the lowest common denominator, don't give a shit about root access and custom ROMs and kernels, it's certainly nice to have for the people that do and those people certainly exist.
[QUOTE=Daniel M;39088280]A majority of Android users don't know what root access means, let alone what custom ROMs and kernels are out there. Would a majority of iPhone users know what jailbreaking is? I would definitely say it's a much larger part of "Apple culture" than the Android counterparts.
What does that say about their software? What does that say about "iPhone users don't care about customization"? What does that say about the entire piracy argument against using Android?
Although the "average consumer", in other words, the lowest common denominator, don't give a shit about root access and custom ROMs and kernels, it's certainly nice to have for the people that do and those people certainly exist.[/QUOTE]
Well you can do that in your own time, and stop throwing tantrums when anyone says they like their iPhone. Most people are average consumers.
[QUOTE=Daniel M;39088280]A majority of Android users don't know what root access means, let alone what custom ROMs and kernels are out there. Would a majority of iPhone users know what jailbreaking is? I would definitely say it's a much larger part of "Apple culture" than the Android counterparts.
What does that say about their software? What does that say about "iPhone users don't care about customization"? What does that say about the entire piracy argument against using Android?
Although the "average consumer", in other words, the lowest common denominator, don't give a shit about root access and custom ROMs and kernels, it's certainly nice to have for the people that do and those people certainly exist.[/QUOTE]
So what is your bases for the argument again?
I'm just saying anything you say about the "open-ness" of android becomes null and void since it has no place in an actual discussion to which is better.
[QUOTE=fruxodaily;39088276]samsungs very cost effective phones have some really bad performance, my samsung gio went under the knife for a year with me picking at just about everything until it pretty much kept stalling
[editline]4th January 2013[/editline]
probably my own fault but I just put tons of different ROM's on there to see what would happen, CM9 worked great[/QUOTE]
Now that quad core is the standard "flagship device", this year you'll start seeing "cost effective phones" that were considered high-end back in 2011 meaning dual core, Android 4.1/4.2 smartphones with NFC, 1GB of RAM and they will even most likely receive the updates because the devices can support the jump from ICS to the inevitable 5.0 release.
[editline]4th January 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=OogalaBoogal;39088293]Well you can do that in your own time, and stop throwing tantrums when anyone says they like their iPhone. Most people are average consumers.[/QUOTE]
And most people like to follow trends, iPhone included. I'm sick of the "software is subjective" argument because it really isn't.
iPhone you need to use iTunes to pretty much do anything. Android counterpart is plug and play.
iPhone app store is extremely closed, proprietary and don't find what you need? Too bad. Android counterpart you can access from any browser in the world, log-in to your Google account, click install, remotely installs. Don't find what you need? Download another marketplace (Amazon) and try again. Want "adult applications"? You can get those too.
iPhone requires jailbreak to access internal storage. Again, Android counterpart is plug and play. Believe it or not, people like to be able to access their documents and files without dicking around with third party file managers and iTunes to get your content off your device.
iPhone does not allow "default programs". Like Google Maps instead of Apple Maps? Hope you enjoy copying the address your friend sent you from a SMS, hit the home button and launch Google Maps, paste in the text, hit navigate button. Friend sent you a website that is not compatible with Safari? Same thing but you'll have to paste in the URL to Dolphin/Firefox. Android counterparts rely on various APIs so let's say someone sends you a street address and you have several applications capable of handling street addresses? You can choose which one will open and even set the default program to handle such content in the future.
iPhone does not handle many media files well. Want to watch that .avi file you somehow managed to place onto the device? Hope you enjoy converting it to a "capable format" or jailbreaking your phone and installing a third party codec.
Notice how I didn't throw anything extremely technical in there? These are "average uses" for "average people" and trust me when I say I deal with this kind of stuff regularly.
You want to know why I hate iOS? Because I work in IT and I am constantly getting calls because people can not perform simple tasks without third party applications and even then, it might require more than that.
I just got an iPhone 5 though.
[QUOTE=Daniel M;39088327]Now that quad core is the standard "flagship device", this year you'll start seeing "cost effective phones" that were considered high-end back in 2011 meaning dual core, Android 4.1/4.2 smartphones with NFC, 1GB of RAM and they will even most likely receive the updates because the devices can support the jump from ICS to the inevitable 5.0 release.
[editline]4th January 2013[/editline]
And most people like to follow trends, iPhone included. I'm sick of the "software is subjective" argument because it really isn't.
iPhone you need to use iTunes to pretty much do anything. Android counterpart is plug and play.
iPhone app store is extremely closed, proprietary and don't find what you need? Too bad. Android counterpart you can access from any browser in the world, log-in to your Google account, click install, remotely installs. Don't find what you need? Download another marketplace (Amazon) and try again. Want "adult applications"? You can get those too.
iPhone requires jailbreak to access internal storage. Again, Android counterpart is plug and play. Believe it or not, people like to be able to access their documents and files without dicking around with third party file managers and iTunes to get your content off your device.
iPhone does not allow "default programs". Like Google Maps instead of Apple Maps? Hope you enjoy copying the address your friend sent you from a SMS, hit the home button and launch Google Maps, paste in the text, hit navigate button. Friend sent you a website that is not compatible with Safari? Same thing but you'll have to paste in the URL to Dolphin/Firefox. Android counterparts rely on various APIs so let's say someone sends you a street address and you have several applications capable of handling street addresses? You can choose which one will open and even set the default program to handle such content in the future.
iPhone does not handle many media files well. Want to watch that .avi file you somehow managed to place onto the device? Hope you enjoy converting it to a "capable format" or jailbreaking your phone and installing a third party codec.
Notice how I didn't throw anything extremely technical in there? These are "average uses" for "average people" and trust me when I say I deal with this kind of stuff regularly.
You want to know why I hate iOS? Because I work in IT and I am constantly getting calls because people can not perform simple tasks without third party applications and even then, it might require more than that.[/QUOTE]
It still is totally subjective. I LIKE closed ecosystems as a software developer, they cause less conflicts. If it's not on the App Store, it's not anywhere else, I'm not going to have to go and search through multiple markets. If you hadn't heard, iOS has been doing remote downloads since iOS 5 , so I really don't know what you are on about there. I don't need file access on a mobile device, as syncing all my files is a waste of time. I frequently use many large files for my classes. I use Dropbox.
Codecs? VLC for iOS.
I'll give you the bit about the default programs. That's one thing I'd like to change.
You know why I love iOS? Because it's given me significantly less shit than Android has.
Android has a lot of flaws. It's been getting better, but there still are so many problems. The VM is still really slow, you can often see framrate dropping on even higher end devices. As a developer, I worry that the market is too fragmented. 1.2% of android users are on JB, 29% are on ICS, and 94% are still on gingerbread. So many manufactures put on shitty UIs and make bad design choices, the only real go to phones are the Google ones.
[QUOTE=Daniel M;39088327]I'm sick of the "software is subjective" argument because it really isn't.
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So you refuse to admit the truth is the truth, because it goes against what you'd prefer to believe. There's a word to describe that. Delusional?
[editline]4th January 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=Elspin;39088185]...and you don't have to? I haven't done anything to my Nexus, it's not even rooted and it works great.[/QUOTE]
I've seen you state before that it runs everything at 60fps which isn't true since I use one every day and it clearly doesn't, so forgive me but I'm very skeptical of when you say something works great.
[QUOTE=Kaabii;39088556]So you refuse to admit the truth is the truth, because it goes against what you'd prefer to believe. There's a word to describe that. Delusional?
[editline]4th January 2013[/editline]
I've seen you state before that it runs everything at 60fps which isn't true since I use one every day and it clearly doesn't, so forgive me but I'm very skeptical of when you say something works great.[/QUOTE]
Yes, I'm delusional because I believe simple tasks should be made simple and that users shouldn't have to go out and find third party solutions to their problems.
brb checking myself into a mental institution
Also in response to your response to Elspin's comment, if it doesn't run everything at a constant 60FPS, it sure as hell comes close to it.
In response too Ooga's comment, I definitely agree, Dalvik needs to be overhauled because I'm definitely not a fan but in comparison to things like Windows Phone and iOS, I'll choose Android every day of the week. From a developer's standpoint, I definitely see why you'd be frustated with most users still being stuck on Gingerbread but keep in mind that includes pretty much all the phones made from 2008-early 2011. It really just depends on the carrier and the manufacturer. Users purchasing the "free with a 2 year contract" phones two years ago definitely shouldn't expect to run the latest firmware and the latest applications but the same goes for users that are still using a 3GS. Sure, it's to a lesser extent but they're two completely different environments and in that aspect, they can not be compared. Honestly I think 2013 will be a new start for "budget phones" because from what I've seen on the gadget blogs and press releases, the "lower end phones" will be packing dual cores and running the latest firmware. I'm sure LG/HTC/Samsung are doing their best to keep up to date but on the other hand, Google needs to implement a native "theme engine" so these manufacturers can make their experience their own without fucking up the source code. Carriers also need to be put in their place. As for Motorola, I'm sure a "dramatic change of heart" will be coming now that Google is in full control.
[QUOTE=Daniel M;39088671]
Also in response to your response to Elspin's comment, if it doesn't run everything at a constant 60FPS, it sure as hell comes close to it.
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The Galaxy Nexus? Not really. Any scrolling is just sped up to hell compared to 2.x on 4.x firmwares to try and mask sluggishness, but it's still there. Anything that involves loading in images or loading network data while doing touch interaction is a complete and utter catastrophe. Android doesn't follow the same design principle of iOS and WPX which is that when the user in inputting keeping the UI smooth should be the first priority.
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[QUOTE=Daniel M;39088671]Yes, I'm delusional because I believe simple tasks should be made simple and that users shouldn't have to go out and find third party solutions to their problems.
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No you're delusional because you think your opinion is fact. Now you're making things up, which really isn't helping build a case against the notion that you're a delusional person.
[QUOTE=Kaabii;39088756]The Galaxy Nexus? Not really. Any scrolling is just sped up to hell compared to 2.x on 4.x firmwares to try and mask sluggishness, but it's still there. Anything that involves loading in images or loading network data while doing touch interaction is a complete and utter catastrophe. Android doesn't follow the same design principle of iOS and WPX which is that when the user in inputting keeping the UI smooth should be the first priority.
[editline]4th January 2013[/editline]
No you're delusional because you think your opinion is fact. Now you're making things up, which really isn't helping build a case against the notion that you're a delusional person.[/QUOTE]
The Galaxy Nexus? What a joke, I'm pretty sure Android management is embarrassed of the Galaxy Nexus honestly but the AOSP stock experience made up for it. The Galaxy Nexus was actually a dumbed down Galaxy SII. When I say the Nexus, I'm talking about the Nexus 4 (which is priced lower than the Galaxy Nexus on the play store so there is absolutely no reason to not move over. If you have a GNex, sell it on eBay and cough up an extra $100 for a much better experience and the difference in build quality is night and day).
Also put it however you want, I outlined ways in which Android is superior to iOS and you can say "We have Siri" and "Our benchmarks are better", it doesn't matter. The average consumer doesn't give a shit about the benchmarks. The average consumer doesn't give a shit about benchmarks, which are negligible at best. People want the better hardware. People want the software to do what they need to do.
There comes a point where software falls so far behind, it is no longer "preference" and iOS has been there for the past year.
[QUOTE=Daniel M;39088773]The Galaxy Nexus? What a joke. The Galaxy Nexus was actually a dumbed down Galaxy SII. When I say the Nexus, I'm talking about the Nexus 4 (which is priced lower than the Galaxy Nexus on the play store so there is absolutely no reason to not move over. If you have a GNex, sell it on eBay and cough up an extra $100 for a much better experience and the difference in build quality is night and day).[/QUOTE]
He has a Galaxy Nexus. I don't really care what you're talking about, it wasn't even your post I responded to.
lots of people getting really mad about touch screen devices in this thread
[QUOTE=Daniel M;39088773]
There comes a point where software falls so far behind, it is no longer "preference" and iOS has been there for the past year.[/QUOTE]
iOS is smoother, this is a fact and I've used the precious Nexus 4 as well as every single Android phone that can run on 850/1900 HSPA to confirm this. So for someone who values smoothness the most, iOS is better. Wow look at how little it took to completely crush your entire fictional world where your opinion is that of god.
I like my iPhone 5, quite a lot
And I'll enjoy the hell out of Daniel M thinking I'm a hipster douche tool while he froths at the proverbial mouth about my choice to try out my first iPhone
[QUOTE=Kaabii;39088777]He has a Galaxy Nexus. I don't really care what you're talking about, it wasn't even your post I responded to.[/QUOTE]
Okay well the Galaxy Nexus runs pretty damn well and while I haven't ran the official build of Jellybean (since I was a Verizon CDMA peasant), it ran pretty goddamn well so I don't see your argument, if you even have one. Will the Galaxy Nexus run *insert UnrealEngine 3 game* at 60FPS outputted to 1080P on your television? No, but everything else? Pretty sure it will.
I really dont see the hate of iPhones on facepunch. I have an iPhone 4S, while my brother has a Samsung Galaxy SII. I'm not jealous of his better hardware, I just like ease of use.
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