• On this day, 70 years ago, 156 000 landed on the beaches of Normandy in the largest military operati
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[QUOTE=Antlerp;45015636]"But many Russians are convinced to this day that the delay was a deliberate ploy. While D-Day "helped us a great deal", Kosyak said, Churchill "wanted the Russians and Germans to destroy each other in this war, and to enter it at the right moment when both were weakened". Easy to understand why, after all, Churchill wanted to invade the USSR immediately with Operation Unthinkable (lol no shit unthinkable indeed) [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Unthinkable[/url][/QUOTE] It's a pretty good strategy, I use it in Civ5 and Endless Space a lot.
[QUOTE=Perfumly;45017019]I like how all the movies with D-Day primarily have white people storming the beaches.[/QUOTE] Because thats how it was? [url]http://thegrio.com/2014/06/06/black-soldiers-d-day/#s:omahasecured-2[/url] According to those statistics for every 100 allied soldiers ~1 of them was black
[QUOTE=amos106;45017118]Because thats how it was? [url]http://thegrio.com/2014/06/06/black-soldiers-d-day/#s:omahasecured-2[/url] According to those statistics for every 100 allied soldiers ~1 of them was black[/QUOTE] Oh wow. I guess hear-say about it is wrong then. I heard they mainly had african american troops storming the beaches and paradropped most of the white people. I don't remember where I heard this but it sounds like something we would have done back then so I went with it.
[QUOTE=Perfumly;45017019]I like how all the movies with D-Day primarily have white people storming the beaches.[/QUOTE] And all the movies have only American soldiers when the majority were British
[QUOTE=Griffalo;45017148]And all the movies have only American soldiers when the majority were British[/QUOTE] So when a movie about American soldiers only has American soldiers in it? Who knew?
[I][/I][QUOTE=Perfumly;45017128]Oh wow. I guess hear-say about it is wrong then. I heard they mainly had african american troops storming the beaches and paradropped most of the white people. I don't remember where I heard this but it sounds like something we would have done back then so I went with it.[/QUOTE] Hey man, 8/10 statistics are bullshit
[QUOTE=Perfumly;45017128]Oh wow. I guess hear-say about it is wrong then. I heard they mainly had african american troops storming the beaches and paradropped most of the white people. I don't remember where I heard this but it sounds like something we would have done back then so I went with it.[/QUOTE] To my knowledge, blacks were mainly used for support. Not squad support on the battlefield but building stuff and moving stuff, things like that.
I'll say; It takes courage to jump out of a perfectly fine plane with a parachute.
[QUOTE=The mouse;45016677]I don't think he meant that they forget that it happened, I think he means the scale of the slaughter and the effect on the world that people are now starting to forget.[/QUOTE] It's because there's so little left to remind them physically that it happened. I feel like it would have been wise to preserve some of the ruined districts in London or something, but of course everyone wanted at the time to be done with it and move on and I can't blame them for that. I think a greater effort should be made on the part of governments of countries that participated to preserve and display wartime artifacts. I mean literally every day you have historic firearms being confiscated by European governments and destroyed, or turned into US gun buyback programs for a $100 Applebee's gift card, when really they should be being moved to museums. You have wartime vehicles sitting and rusting because the owners can't afford to restore them - there should be some kind of support program for that, to help save these kinds of things.
[QUOTE=BuffaloBill;45015698]Playing Devil's Advocate a bit here: The Germans held out against incredible odds for years. Global warfare, supply lines stretched to their limits, no naval superiority, only had the area they occupied to get their supplies from while the Allies had literally the entire world at their disposal. I'm not denouncing the Allied forces, don't get me wrong. But all things considered the Germans accomplished an incredible feat with limited resources and I reckon that with equal resources, they'd have won.[/QUOTE] In both the World Wars, Germany was easily the strongest force on the battlefield. World War One especially (which we will celebrate/remember on the 28th, the 100th Anniversary). They were always a manufacturing superpower and they had some of the best military training on Earth. The problem was that in both wars, Germany was a very strong country with very weak allies and very strong enemies on either side.
A veteran went missing from his care home yesterday. It turns out he'd been told he couldn't attend the D-Day commemorations and he wasn't having none of that shit [url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-sussex-27735086[/url]
Reminder that this is the real Jim Martin: [IMG]http://cdn.inquisitr.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/93-Year-Old-Skydiver-Jim-Martin-At-It-Again-665x385.jpg[/IMG] edit:[del] smörfy[/del] shian change the pic !
[QUOTE=Griffalo;45017148]And all the movies have only American soldiers when the majority were British[/QUOTE] I'd really like to see a movie about the Canadians storming Juno Beach. But the last time a war movie was made about Canadian soldiers it had about 10 minutes of war out of a 2 hour movie and the rest of it was a shitty love story so a war movie about Canadians probably isn't the greatest idea.
[QUOTE=Taepodong-2;45017346]I'd really like to see a movie about the Canadians storming Juno Beach. But the last time a war movie was made about Canadian soldiers it had about 10 minutes of war out of a 2 hour movie and the rest of it was a shitty love story so a war movie about Canadians probably isn't the greatest idea.[/QUOTE] Oh god, don't remind me of Passchendaele. We need movies on Juno. I'd like something on Canadian involvement in Italy as well.
[QUOTE=Tuskin;45017375]Oh god, don't remind me of Passchendaele. We need movies on Juno. I'd like something on Canadian involvement in Italy as well.[/QUOTE] Also Canadians in Holland because Canadians made up most of the troops in Holland after Market Garden failed.
[QUOTE=BuffaloBill;45015698]But all things considered the Germans accomplished an incredible feat with limited resources and I reckon that with equal resources, they'd have won.[/QUOTE] Germany was not really suited to win no matter how well they fought, it was strategically impossible once both russia and the united states were involved. The US and Russia, and possibly canada/australia would have proved an indefinite opponents, and the population size and landmass of both the US and Russia make them essentially incoquerable. Hundreds of millions of potential soldiers, industrial centers on all coasts and in-between, etc. A comparatively small (albiet, powerful) european nation and it's sparse allies simply would not have been able to wreak enough havok to cause the collapse and surrender of 2-4 countries that take up about 30% of the worlds entire landmass. Early in the war before Russia and the US were involved it may have been possible for Germany to set themselves some key objectives, and complete those objectives (taking Rhineland, maybe taking Austria/Czechoslovakia) without significant retribution, but once things went into the realm of "conquer half the world and eradicate entire races/ethnic groups" it essentially became an impossible set of objectives and they wouldn't have been able to win without widespread assistance, which they never would have got.
[QUOTE=Taepodong-2;45017419]Also Canadians in Holland because Canadians made up most of the troops in Holland after Market Garden failed.[/QUOTE] Oh yeah, and that. I remember learning about in school. They showed a video of a Canadian Back Packer in Holland hitchhiking, a couple ignored him until they saw his flag and they stopped :v:
[QUOTE=BuffaloBill;45015698]Playing Devil's Advocate a bit here: The Germans held out against incredible odds for years. Global warfare, supply lines stretched to their limits, no naval superiority, only had the area they occupied to get their supplies from while the Allies had literally the entire world at their disposal. I'm not denouncing the Allied forces, don't get me wrong. But all things considered the Germans accomplished an incredible feat with limited resources and I reckon that with equal resources, they'd have won.[/QUOTE] There is no conceivable, realistic hypothetical situation in which Germany could have ever won. They could have repelled the American invasion by sea indefinitely, they could have theoretically defeated the British air forces and fleets. But they signed their own final death warrant the second they invaded the Soviet Union. The only reason the American invasion was successful in the first place was because 60% of all German forces were preoccupied (read: destroyed, encircled, surrendered, retreating, etc.) on the Eastern Front during the Western invasion. If we're talking hypothetical, had Germany never invaded the Soviet Union, the brilliance of German generals, the engineering capability of Germany which was years if not decades ahead of its time in some sectors, plus the tenacious zeal that German soldiers had displayed, could have easily made D-Day a disaster, and subdued the British simply by the merit of dragging the conflict for as long as possible -- picking apart their air force one by one, and slowly yet surely tearing apart the British fleet one ship after the other using state of the art engineered machines like the U-Boats and their heavy cruisers. [img]http://i.imgur.com/azj6LTZ.gif[/img] Germany had all the resources necessary to defend itself via air or sea. The problem was, most of those resources were already engaged in the Eastern Front.
[QUOTE=The mouse;45016677]I don't think he meant that they forget that it happened, I think he means the scale of the slaughter and the effect on the world that people are now starting to forget.[/QUOTE] Its pretty hard to comprehend having your country go into a state of total war and having an upwards of 60-65 million people being killed in about a decade. [QUOTE=Perfumly;45017019]I like how all the movies with D-Day primarily have white people storming the beaches.[/QUOTE] Well it was....?
[t]http://37.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m6m9ijWMJ41rx5nxco1_500.jpg[/t][t]http://media.npr.org/assets/img/2013/05/24/mcniece_slide-09da2a16ce5992af957858d08a74bab06ceb2e95-s6-c30.jpg[/t][t]http://www.retronaut.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/31.jpg[/t] I sorta wish I could figure out the services that my great grandfathers served in.
[QUOTE=Pat4ever;45016871][video=youtube;PqNgqSVTVEM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqNgqSVTVEM[/video][/QUOTE] I know all of these are cherry-picked but this one's one of the worst I've seen Notice how every dude they interview is wearing a backpack and probably a student whereas like one or two girls are
[QUOTE=Perfumly;45017019]I like how all the movies with D-Day primarily have white people storming the beaches.[/QUOTE] wow your highschool was pretty good
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