[QUOTE=Doomish;20975990]Well actually I think Spacewolf was griping more about the fact that the whole LOL I MAKE FUN OF A GAME THAT IS NOT SHITTY AND CALL IT SHITTY FOR X REASONS thing isn't and never has been funny, and the fact that the writer picked possibly the worst game to do something like that for made for a pretty shitty satire.
But whatever, interpretation by nature is open to critique.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, I reread his and my post, and I came off like an asshole. Oh well, doubt he'll read it.
None the less, my point stands. There's more than nothing wrong with HL2, and it's not perfect.
(Better dotter my way out of this thread now.)
[QUOTE=Doomish;20975820]Oh, so when we're out in the field, you're going to be PUNCHING HUNTERS?[/QUOTE]
The field? I ain't going out on the field! Im a radio operator!
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Ninjad
I get the general impression that he is looking very hard for things to hate.
And the few things that are there are flimsy at best. Take the crowbar for example: so what if it is a bit 'overpowered'. How many fought through the Combine Nexus fighting with just the crowbar? I sure as hell didn't. As powerful as it might be, I like to be able to deal some damage to my enemies without being turned into a human colander. It's about balancing - the crowbar had to be made useful in some way to make up for the fact that it is a melee weapon.
The fanboy rage in this thread is even funnier to read than the article. Maybe you all need to consider that the article actually makes good points?
[b]1. Fact: Alyx Vance is overrated[/b]
Not just overrated, But easily one of the worst characters to ever disgrace fiction. And an insult to the gender and race she represents. I said it before, And i'll say it again: She is gaming's answer to film's Jar Jar Binks and TV's Wesley Crusher.
[b]2. Gordon Freeman is a shallow hipster icon with no real substance[/b]
Spot-On. The more you think about the "character" of Gordon Freeman, The less he makes any sense. Valve really expects us to believe that a scientist can turn into a Superhero, Be displaced 20 years out of his own time, [i]And go for over a week without rest and not even make an attempt to communicate with other characters[/i]? That leaves some nasty implications of Gordon Freeman being a sociopath. Plus i hate how fanboys use him for all of their bloodthirsty, perverted wish fulfillment.
[b]3. They will never explain G-Man[/b]
Not only is the G-Man a nice way to handwave any non-sense Valve wants to, the entire plot of Half-Life past the first one makes no sense [i]when your entire plot hinges on your main character not communicating[/i]. I wonder how they can explain that. "Oh, the G-Man took Gordon's voice away from him"?
[b]4. A crowbar does as much damage as a gun?[/b]
None of the weapons make any sense. The writer should have brought up the SMG Grenade Launcher though. If only for the mind-boggling way it was modeled.
[b]5. Valve takes their sweet ass time with everything[/b]
This is the only point i partly disagree with. I think Valve has realized how deep of a hole they have dug themselves into and are letting Half-Life die quietly. At least, That what i am hoping they are doing.
So Valve. If you read this, Here's some advise: [b]BURY THIS PIECE OF DOGSHIT FRANCHISE.[/B]
1. Fact: Alyx Vance is overrated
Well, she isn't overrated, the the mods are and the people that download these nude modes.
2. Gordon Freeman is a shallow hipster icon with no real substance
How can he be a shallow hipster? He wears a fucking H.E.V suit and doesn't even talk.
3. They will never explain G-Man
That's the fucking point, he is the "G-Man" Government man, he isn't suppose to be well known, his status makes the game more interesting.
4. A crowbar does as much damage as a gun?
It's a fucking game, what do you expect? Plus the crowbar is more of a icon then it is a weapon. We don't see people/reviewers bitching about MW2 unrealistic items. Common now.
5. Valve takes their sweet ass time with everything.
Yeah they do, and for a reason. They don't push out shit products, they always have quality products. I would rather have a solid awesome game ever 2-3 years then some shitty game every year.
This guy is a fucking idiot, most likely someone who has just jumped in to Hl2 and never really understood HL as a series.
[QUOTE=Mr. Cool Gamer;20976661][b]1. Fact: Alyx Vance is overrated[/b]
Not just overrated, But easily one of the worst characters to ever disgrace fiction. And an insult to the gender and race she represents. I said it before, And i'll say it again: She is gaming's answer to film's Jar Jar Binks and TV's Wesley Crusher.[/quote]
She was designed to basically be the love interest, a companion in some levels, and the "realistic (gamer) girl" character, and she's a bit hollow. But you're overreacting like HELL.
[QUOTE=Mr. Cool Gamer;20976661][b]2. Gordon Freeman is a shallow hipster icon with no real substance[/b]
Spot-On. The more you think about the "character" of Gordon Freeman, The less he makes any sense. Valve really expects us to believe that a scientist can turn into a Superhero, Be displaced 20 years out of his own time, [i]And go for over a week without rest and not even make an attempt to communicate with other characters[/i]? That leaves some nasty implications of Gordon Freeman being a sociopath. Plus i hate how fanboys use him for all of their bloodthirsty, perverted wish fulfillment.[/quote]
Er, yeah. Gordon is representative of the player, and last time I checked the game was fiction, so yes, yes he can go from a scientist into a Superhero. You act like that's not all too common in games. And- wait what, "bloodthirsty, perverted wish fufillment?"
[QUOTE=Mr. Cool Gamer;20976661][b]3. They will never explain G-Man[/b]
Not only is the G-Man a nice way to handwave any non-sense Valve wants to, the entire plot of Half-Life past the first one makes no sense [i]when your entire plot hinges on your main character not communicating[/i]. I wonder how they can explain that. "Oh, the G-Man took Gordon's voice away from him"?[/quote]
Yes, I forgot, no good plot has mystery. We should end the mystery brand of fiction - in fact, let's just end fiction, it doesn't make enough sense and none of it really happened. I [i]will admit[/i] that the plot hinging on Gordon not talking is partially true. But if Gordon went about crying "THIS GUY IN A SUIT IS FOLLOWING ME, I THINK HE'S AN ALIEN," would it help ANYONE get by? The G-Man could be a God for all he knows, would it really help to try and fight him? In Half-Life 1, he kills you if you don't accept his deal - think of what he'd do if his existence was widespread knowledge. Yeah, Gordon's his bitch.
[QUOTE=Mr. Cool Gamer;20976661][b]4. A crowbar does as much damage as a gun?[/b]
None of the weapons make any sense. The writer should have brought up the SMG Grenade Launcher though. If only for the mind-boggling way it was modeled.[/quote]
How do none of the weapons make any sense, then?
[QUOTE=Mr. Cool Gamer;20976661][b]5. Valve takes their sweet ass time with everything[/b]
This is the only point i partly disagree with. I think Valve has realized how deep of a hole they have dug themselves into and are letting Half-Life die quietly. At least, That what i am hoping they are doing.
So Valve. If you read this, Here's some advise: [b]BURY THIS PIECE OF DOGSHIT FRANCHISE.[/B][/QUOTE]
Okay, I kinda agree - if they've taken THIS long with Episode 3 purely to release-... -well, Episode 3, I'm probably going to be disappointed. I mean they even said no Half Life (Or was it no Valve-) release in 2010. I expect they're working on something big, but who knows?
On top of that, how is it a piece of dogshit franchise? They're pretty wildly regarded as two of the best games ever made, mainly for the day and age they were released, however. It's the same as Deus Ex - you can nitpick for its technical faults now days if you're an idiot, but it's a great game through that.
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What the hell, I have no edit button. Automerge, save me!
There's one good reason up there, there's 10x better flaws you can list.
[QUOTE=Mr. Cool Gamer;20976661]
[b]3. They will never explain G-Man[/b]
Not only is the G-Man a nice way to handwave any non-sense Valve wants to, the entire plot of Half-Life past the first one makes no sense [i]when your entire plot hinges on your main character not communicating[/i]. I wonder how they can explain that. "Oh, the G-Man took Gordon's voice away from him"?[/QUOTE]
And how do you know that the G-Man isn't building up to some big plot feature at the end? You don't. The whole point of G-Man is that he's supposed to be a mystery. Imagine if it was a murder mystery - you don't bloody well tell the audience who the murder is in the first scene, do you?
As for Gordon and his lack of vocal skills: does it [i]really[/i] matter that much? It's like complaining about the size of the Hobbits in Lord of the Rings. Besides, it make the player feel more like he is actually playing as Gordon Freeman - hence the lack of voice and 3rd person shots - and it is more immersive for the player to have Gordon not speak (unless you enjoy talking to your PC monitor).
[QUOTE=Mr. Cool Gamer;20976661]So Valve. If you read this, Here's some advise: [b]BURY THIS PIECE OF DOGSHIT FRANCHISE.[/B][/QUOTE]
[sarcasm]Yes, absolutely. I agree that they should discard the franchise entirely just because you don't like it.[/sarcasm]
If you don't like it, don't play it. Simple.
Obviously they don't know that Crowbars when swung can do some pretty serious damage.
Sure Valve may take longer than most game companies to get stuff done
but that's only because, unlike most game companies, Valve actually puts effort into making good games
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Also author has never been hit by a crowbar or the equivelant of a crowbar before.
You guys know they made the article specifically to make people rage right?
[B]1. Fact: Alyx Vance is overrated[/B]
No shit. When 75% of people who buy your game are, A. 13 yr old boys ,or B. 30 year old virgins; it's very likely people are going to make a shit ton of nude models.
[B]2. Gordon Freeman is a shallow hipster icon with no real substance[/B]
The fucker wears a hev suit which weighs almost four hundred pounds ,and covers up his vocals originally. Even then he still occasionally talks in some scenes ,but the player can't hear him.
[B]3. They will never explain G-Man[/B]
Mysterious governess man which you never find out about?! OMG THE HOLOCAUST. At least Valve made an effort to make a game which had some selectivity secret characters which made the game interesting.
[B]4. A crowbar does as much damage as a gun?[/B]
Only in the movies can you get hit by a baseball bat or crowbar ,and stand up... If I took a crowbar ,and hit you with one big blow your dead. Ending story right there.
[B]5. Valve takes their sweet ass time with everything[/B]
Hype ,and Profit. If the game Duke Nukem Forever actually comes out what do you think will happen? People will be killing each other for a copy. The fact is Valve probably has HL2:E3 ready. Why haven't they released it? Why the fuck would you? If you can make people wait a little longer till the point their about to break down into tears your making just going to increase your profit margin. I'll assure you when it does actually come out, Steam will crash from players mass spamming, OMG IT'S FUCKING OUTASSXSHAHSHF.
I laughed at the crowbar part, might aswell hate every game because a knife is an instant kill
[QUOTE=Gummylamb;20973684]A lot more than TheSpy's i tell you what[/QUOTE]
oh please
i wish more peopler were like the guy who wrote this article
You idiots it is Gamesradar's annual week of hate. Today they found 5 reasons to hate the GTA series.
They hate of everything for one week, and this year it included half life.
They don't hate HL as they gave the games pretty good reviews. I didn't think people would think this was serious.
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[QUOTE=insane taco;20978170]You idiots it is Gamesradar's annual week of hate. Today they found 5 reasons to hate the GTA series.
They hate everything for one week, and this year it included half life.
They don't hate HL as they gave the games pretty good reviews. I didn't think people would think this was serious.[/QUOTE]
The fact that they don't explain G-Man is a good thing
[QUOTE=insane taco;20978170]You idiots it is Gamesradar's annual week of hate. Today they found 5 reasons to hate the GTA series.
They hate of everything for one week, and this year it included half life.
They don't hate HL as they gave the games pretty good reviews. I didn't think people would think this was serious.
[editline]03:37PM[/editline][/QUOTE]
^ Pretty much this.
Oh good god this thread is golden, I've been reading the first couple of pages and have been laughing my ass off.
I'm disappointed in you guys, but by no means am I surprised.
[QUOTE=BrickInHead;20975474]whoa ok dude I generally at least partially agree with you here but what the fuck is this shit
to say that FO3 is a great game but HL2 is not is absolute insanity, as both are so heavily tied into [I]story [/I]as opposed to gameplay. FO3's shooting was [B]shit.[/B] The only reason to play it was to further immerse yourself into the environment, which is exactly what Half Life is designed to do. If you're going to go into the whole RPG side of it with the different skill sets, there's no real depth to it, it's just a shooter, it plays the same way no matter what weapons / tactics you use. It is always the same. I loved FO3 as well but that sure as hell wasn't because it was any gigantic leap in FPS's. HL2 is about immersion, as is FO3. FO3 without the immersive aspect is essentially one of the shittiest shooters in existence (insane spread, no real consistency, takes dozens of bullets to kill anything and headshots do practically nothing unless you use VATs).
so what I'm saying is the exact reasons that FO3 is a good game are the reasons that you're saying don't justify HL2 being a good game.[/QUOTE]
Then maybe Half Life just has a shitty story. Or maybe it's because it's FO3's gameplay that immerses me into the game, where Half Life relies on its story to do it, which still leaves bad gameplay. I do believe that being part of the world is part of FO3's game, not plot. Having the open world to explore with many different places to go is part of the game, and it's that world that is immersive. If you were to reduce FO3 to Half Life's level, which is remove all game mechanics, then yes, Fallout 3 would be a shitty game because it would be exactly like half life. But FO3 has many more things than Half Life does. Such as different weapons that actually do different things, not just shoot different bullets at different fire rates.
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[QUOTE=Mr_Sun;20971952]thats what makes it great! its simple to play and mod.[/QUOTE]
That is not what makes games great
sorry if im late and this was already posted but this is part of a series on gamesradar known as "the week of HATE", in which they discuss things they hate, like things they hate about zelda, gta, and other games that they love.
Answer to Number 5:
"Hey Valve can you release EP3 now?"
"Here's some EP3 for you"
"Hey Valve thats a pretty bad game!"
"You asked for it!"
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OchjFx3YgEE[/media]
[QUOTE=Evil_Toaster;20979008]Or maybe it's because it's FO3's gameplay that immerses me into the game...[/QUOTE]
or maybe because Fallout 3 is an open-ended game unlike Half-Life 2?
[QUOTE=Hybrid 4F;20979431]or maybe because Fallout 3 is an open-ended game unlike Half-Life 2?[/QUOTE]
Part of it, yes.
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Part of it as in, yes you are right that is part of what makes FO3 good.
[QUOTE=Evil_Toaster;20979008]Then maybe Half Life just has a shitty story. Or maybe it's because it's FO3's gameplay that immerses me into the game, where Half Life relies on its story to do it, which still leaves bad gameplay. I do believe that being part of the world is part of FO3's game, not plot. Having the open world to explore with many different places to go is part of the game, and it's that world that is immersive. If you were to reduce FO3 to Half Life's level, which is remove all game mechanics, then yes, Fallout 3 would be a shitty game because it would be exactly like half life. But FO3 has many more things than Half Life does. Such as different weapons that actually do different things, not just shoot different bullets at different fire rates.
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That is not what makes games great[/QUOTE]
mods make games more entertaining and playable
[QUOTE=TheSpy;20980007]mods make games more entertaining and playable[/QUOTE]
No, mods make the mods, mods.
I've got to say, Evil_Toaster, that Half-Life which you hate so much, revolutionized the FPS genre so without HL, you wouldn't have most of the games you have mentioned are good FPSs. Remember, Half-Life came before those. The only exception would be Wolfenstein 3D and DOOM.
Half-Life was revolutionary when it came out and Half-Life 2 was generations ahead in Graphics with physics mechanics not seen in games that came before.
The Half-Life Series was meant for the Hard-Core, not for the casuals.
[QUOTE=Master Ridle;20980836]I've got to say, Evil_Toaster, that Half-Life which you hate so much, revolutionized the FPS genre so without HL, you wouldn't have most of the games you have mentioned are good FPSs. Remember, Half-Life came before those. The only exception would be Wolfenstein 3D and DOOM.
Half-Life was revolutionary when it came out and Half-Life 2 was generations ahead in Graphics with physics mechanics not seen in games that came before.
The Half-Life Series was meant for the Hard-Core, not for the casuals.[/QUOTE]
This doesn't make Half Life a good game.
[QUOTE=RichyZ;20981029]evil i agreed with you until you said the thing about bad company 2 being bad.[/QUOTE]
Bad games are usually pretty bad.
[editline]05:05PM[/editline]
Like Half Life.
I would like to state my opinion about the Half-Life series here, but this is Facepunch so I'd rather not get disagreed about my [i]opinion[/i]
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