• 13-Year-Old Boy Commits Suicide After Saying School ‘Didn’t Do Anything’ to Stop His Bullies
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School can be such a hell for so many people, it's unbelievable how some just don't give a shit about you. If you were lucky enough to not go through this and you wonder what's so bad about it, here's what I have to share. I've been bullied severely during my time in middle school, like so bad knives were taken out and police got involved. Luckily the principal understood the situation when the professors didn't, so I got transferred to another school and one person was even put on trial. I personally can relate to this story because I failed committing suicide not once, but twice. Again, the professors gave [B]no fucks[/B] until I almost took my own life the second time. There are hundreds of thousands of kids today going through what I, and many others, experienced years back. There's a good chance you have, too. School systems are broken all around the world when it comes to this issue. I'm sad to see this kid took his own life away, but I can understand what he had to endure. If by any chance you're in the same situation right now, for the love of god [B]don't follow my fucking stupid attempts, this kid's, or anyone else's[/B]. Talk to an adult right now, don't hide anything. Life is worth living, just hold on until you get out of the shit hole that is school. Drop out if you have to, or take a one year break. And if you are bullying someone, shame on you. You're doing something that gives you temporary fame and respect and imprinting horrible memories in people's memories. Stop being a complete dickhole to others and leave them alone. If someone takes their own life away as a consequence of your actions, don't be surprised. You knew it was gonna happen.
[QUOTE=TestECull;50886840]Is there even such a thing? They've put kids on trial as young as 7 or 8 before. Surely by the time it gets to that point they're more than old enough to be charged. What [i]else[/i] would we do, anyway? We've already tried telling them not to do it. They don't care. We've tried suspending them, they call it time off and relax. We've tried every light handed approach, we've tried literally bonking them over the bonce with a yardstick(Back in the day, anyway, hasn't been done for a couple decades now). We've tried everything else. My plan isn't 'giving them a week off', unless you count sitting in Juvy a week's vacation. I chose those steps primarily because suspension doesn't work. For any kid, really, but especially bullies.[/QUOTE] Well, in Canada there is a such thing, and for many (possibly all) European countries there is. Putting someone who's 8/9/10/11/12 on trial for harrassment is absolute bullshit, though. I bet you tons of kids at that age have harrassed other kids/been spoiled assholes. At that age, you don't know better. An early developing brain suddenly being put in juvy/charged is going to do jack shit and would be very likely to mentally cripple them. I see doing this as unethical.
[QUOTE=MaximLaHaxim;50887124]Well, in Canada there is a such thing, and for many (possibly all) European countries there is. Putting someone who's 7/8/9/10 on trial for harrassment is absolute bullshit, though. I bet you tons of kids at that age have harrassed other kids/been spoiled assholes. At that age, you don't know better. An early developing brain suddenly being put in juvy/charged is going to do jack shit and would be very likely to mentally cripple them. I see doing this as unethical.[/QUOTE] I don't see how allowing kids who "don't know better" to harass and torment another kid into suicide is any more ethical. Something clearly needs to be done and I'd much rather it be on the side of too drastic than not enough.
[QUOTE=Ekalektik_1;50887176]I don't see how allowing kids who "don't know better" to harass and torment another kid into suicide is any more ethical. Something clearly needs to be done and I'd much rather it be on the side of too drastic than not enough.[/QUOTE] Yes, something should be done, whether they know better or not. But juvy is not an option I'd consider. At all. 8-12 year olds shouldn't be there, they're far too young. I'd much rather have "not enough" instead of "too drastic". You need to keep it at a school-wide level. Taking it to criminal charges is absolute bullshit imo, no matter what the bullying leads to. The school is responsible for making sure bullies can't carry out their action, and if suicide happens as a result, you need to fine the school and implement harsher anti-bullying policies. Have you considered that "punishing" bullies in juvenile detention centres might have the possibility of making them even worse? "Too drastic" can do that.
[QUOTE=MaximLaHaxim;50885179]"Oh, but punishing them is necessary, because to prepare these kids for society, we can't have ANY violence, self-defence or not!"[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=J!NX;50885165]I love how victims that defend themselves against violence can get punished for defending themselves[/QUOTE] Oh my God, don't even get me started on the bullshit Zero Tolerance nonsense, I had so many suspensions in middle school and high school because I didn't let bullies get past a day of giving me shit. Zero Tolerance is such bullshit because self defense is a right everywhere in the US [B][I]EXCEPT[/I][/B] where the most vulnerable and immature people live, the schoolyard. What options does a kid have? Tell parents: nothing Tell teachers: nothing Tell school administration: nothing Defend yourself because nobody is helping: OH SHIT YOU GET PUNISHED TOO BECAUSE BOTH OF YOU ARE EQUALLY GUILTY AND STANDING UP FOR YOURSELF AND BEING CONFIDENT IS [B][I]NOT[/I][/B] WHAT YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO LEARN HERE! We live in a culture where vigilantes and stoic heroes are celebrated and one in which kids love reading stories about cowboys and superheroes standing up for the little guy and then we penalize them and tell them it is not ok to be self reliant, just to ignore the problem and hope it goes away. It makes me even angrier knowing the school punishes kids for fighting back when the school itself is responsible for letting the bullying get to that level.
I've always seen the ones being bullied as the ones most likely to be punished. It happened to me throughout most of the time I went to school, with each incident getting worse and worse. When I was in middle school the same group of athletes and wannabe athletes would always be trying to get under my skin. One day one of them says something that pissed me off in the lunch line, so I immediately pushed him down a small stairway - he bumps into a teacher on the way down, and so I'm thrown into in-school suspension. Another time, they're all sitting behind me talking shit, and I raise my voice in retaliation - back to in-school suspension. When I was 13 one of them decided to be an asshole to me in the locker room, then the gym teachers blamed me for starting a fight when I held him against a locker and threatened to retaliate. This general pattern came to a head in high school, when I was even [I]charged with cyberbullying[/I] for posting comments on facebook in response to a person who would harass and bully my friends. It would seem to me that school administrators and lawmakers don't even know what a bullying problem looks like, much less how to handle one.
[QUOTE=daschnek;50887549]I've always seen the ones being bullied as the ones most likely to be punished. It happened to me throughout most of the time I went to school, with each incident getting worse and worse. When I was in middle school the same group of athletes and wannabe athletes would always be trying to get under my skin. One day one of them says something that pissed me off in the lunch line, so I immediately pushed him down a small stairway - he bumps into a teacher on the way down, and so I'm thrown into in-school suspension. Another time, they're all sitting behind me talking shit, and I raise my voice in retaliation - back to in-school suspension. When I was 13 one of them decided to be an asshole to me in the locker room, then the gym teachers blamed me for starting a fight when I held him against a locker and threatened to retaliate. This general pattern came to a head in high school, when I was even [I]charged with cyberbullying[/I] for posting comments on facebook in response to a person who would harass and bully my friends. It would seem to me that school administrators and lawmakers don't even know what a bullying problem looks like, much less how to handle one.[/QUOTE] [i]Charged[/i] with cyberbullying? Fuck those bullshit laws. What was the sentence?
[QUOTE=MaximLaHaxim;50887577][i]Charged[/i] with cyberbullying? Fuck those bullshit laws. What was the sentence?[/QUOTE] [URL="http://www.wral.com/nc-supreme-court-strikes-down-cyberbullying-law/15768599/"]My conviction was overturned by my state's Supreme Court[/URL] two months ago. I hated how the local media presented me: "the [I]evil[/I] things that [I]mean, heartless[/I] cyberbully said could have made this kid kill himself!" Meanwhile, this guy is going around starting fights, slashing people's tires, and his family members defend him while calling one of my friends an emo bitch and telling her to go cut herself. High school was a long time ago, but I don't think it would be possible for me to forget how badly my school and the courts (until I got to the highest court) treated me. Other than that, high school was very fun, though.
[QUOTE=daschnek;50887620][URL="http://www.wral.com/nc-supreme-court-strikes-down-cyberbullying-law/15768599/"]My conviction was overturned by my state's Supreme Court[/URL] two months ago. I hated how the local media presented me: "the [I]evil[/I] things that [I]mean, heartless[/I] cyberbully said could have made this kid kill himself!" Meanwhile, this guy is going around starting fights, slashing people's tires, and his family members defend him while calling one of my friends an emo bitch and telling her to go cut herself. High school was a long time ago, but I don't think it would be possible for me to forget how badly my school and the courts (until I got to the highest court) treated me. Other than that, high school was very fun, though.[/QUOTE] I feel bad that a lot people and even the court that overturned your conviction probably still think that you were doing the bullying.
I was raised to be the exact opposite of a bully, my father never trusts me, in fact for him i'm just a nazi teenager that never says the truth in any situation.
All these stories make me so fucking glad i'm done with school. I've been bullied many times, to the point where I was seeing red and ready to kick teeth in. Assholes know exactly which buttons to push. For some kids school really is hell.
I had a weird experience with bullying in highschool. The guy that lived across the street from me and rode on the same bus decided he hated me for no apparent reason so he attempted to torment me. I say attempted because our busdriver didn't put up with any shit and kept him in line and I never really saw him at school proper except having one class with him my junior year, at which point he quickly stopped attempting shit because I was well acquainted with the teacher from external activities. Now is a weird experience with bullying because this guy just so happened to be the grandson of my grandfather's childhood bestfriend. His grandfather is the nicest guy around, his daughter just married and fucked a complete piece of shit. Since my parents sometimes talked to his parents and apparently he vented his frustration about not being able to torment me by bitching about me at home to his family, which I find hilarious in retrospect because I rarely even gave him a thought. I guess some of his shittyness could be attributed to being part of a broken home (his dad was a complete piece of shit) but still. 2nd encounter with minor bullying actually happened when I started going to college. Some other guy from HS got a hold of my phone number from someone I used to be friends with, gave it out to all of his friends, and had them all harass me. Eventually it stopped after I blocked most of them but the story ends on a humorous note. A few years later said guy was working as part of a band my bestfriend was friends with the members of. While hanging out and getting drunk he brought up the story about how he harassed me before my friend threatened to beat the shit out of him if he didn't drop it. I have no idea how true the last part is since it's according to my friend but still it amused me.
Gas the bullies. But seriously the bullies lives are literally over now, no one will ever try to associate with or hang around them now for causing the death of a child.
I remember being bullied. Secondary school sucks. My bully was mainly due to my surname (It's Polish) and sometimes just being bullied by the usual "hard" cunts because they can. Nothing as awful as what other most like experienced but still sucked. I remember sitting in a Geography class and being picked on. I just slowly started to cry in my chair and I was 14+ as this point. Also the time I had a pen in my hand ready to stab the guy next to me who was picking on me because I was sick of it. Funny how my teachers always managed to place me next to the people I didn't get on with.
[QUOTE=Dominic0904;50888879]I remember being bullied. Secondary school sucks. Funny how my teachers always managed to place me next to the people I didn't get on with.[/QUOTE] Probably they force you to get along with that asshole. Happens a lot to me in middle school
I got bullied in school when I was younger and can confirm that they do absolute jack shit. Was hit over the head with a wooden plank when in the Design / Technology classes. Had a Stanley knife pulled on me after an assembly to the point that I got suspended and the bully only got one hour detention. It got to the point that I used Araldite in one of the design & technology labs on the chair of said bully and he got stuck to the chair. Thank fuck for the suspension otherwise I would have been beaten the heck out of - no doubt - by his group of friends.
Another horrible situation. Never had issues with it directed to me, never really took is as a big deal since my middle school/high school was pretty light on it, then I lost someone who was practically my brother to suicide from bullying. Unfortunately he didn't let me know the extent of it as I had moved a state away but after that I took a very active role in trying to help kids out when I worked in before/after school care and helped where I could when his parents started pushing a statewide program in Michigan against bullying.
When I was in high school some kid was making fun of a special needs student who couldn't walk properly and had his arm up to his chest constantly. Not quite sure what it is called but anyways some kid was making fun of him calling him Forrest Gump and retarded so I walked into the class and called him a him a bitch and that if he wants to make fun of someone who can't defend himself then he's gonna have a problem with me. The teacher yanked me by my arm out of the classroom and asked me what was I doing and that I need to go to the principles. Thankfully I knew that not only did he know this was going on but the school board didn't like him. So I got in his face and said are you really gonna make me go to the principles office when you knew this was going on and didn't do a thing? How do you think that's gonna look? He then turned into a friendly guy who went from fucking pissed to let's not take this any further. I got suspended anyways. 10 days for me and 20 for the ghetto fuck
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