US Family seeks $324,000 from Israel for murder of Rachel Corrie - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Crhem van der B;20815446]Really, she's an idiot, why the fuck would you defend a building that was using by terrorists whose only single purpose is to kill innocent people? Would make sense if the building was a normal, housed by regular people.[/QUOTE] hahahahaha you're pretty naive they aren't terrorists. They're purpose is not to kill innocents, and you're an ignorant fuck. and they do bulldoze normal housing. [editline]09:45PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Crhem van der B;20816291]Yes, because I have an opinion then there is instantly something wrong with me.[/QUOTE] well if your opinion is evil, yes [editline]09:47PM[/editline] Your opinion, is, in fact, evil

[QUOTE=Trotsky;20818855]hahahahaha you're pretty naive they aren't terrorists. They're purpose is not to kill innocents, and you're an ignorant fuck. and they do bulldoze normal housing. [/quote] Well, if they shoot aimlessly, actually, not even try to hit military installations, then I cannot say otherwise beside the fact that they do want to kill innocent people. Of course they bulldoze normal houses, after they're destroyed. There is no point in leaving the rubble there. [quote] well if your opinion is evil, yes [/QUOTE] Guess you can call me evil then.

[QUOTE=Crhem van der B;20820703]Well, if they shoot aimlessly, actually, not even try to hit military installations, then I cannot say otherwise beside the fact that they do want to kill innocent people. Of course they bulldoze normal houses, after they're destroyed. There is no point in leaving the rubble there.[/QUOTE] please prove this.

[QUOTE=A.C.I.D;20815846]Just like that UN hospital that was hiding terrorists? Just like that school that had all the kids still in it that was hiding terrorists? Every time Israel flattens an innocent Palestinian's house its because there were terrorists hiding in there.[/quote] You seem ignorant of the fact that these terrorists quite often [I]do[/I] hide behind civilians, since that provokes these sort of anti-Israel uproars (and, as with my country, we won't even fire a single shot if there's a civilian within a whole city block of our target). Unlike the United States, Israel actually [I]will[/I] fight if terrorists use civilians as cover. I also maintain that it's the fault of the citizens present if they allow Hamas or whoever to take up a position there. Even should they try to throw them out and be killed in the process, their fate hasn't changed much because they were going to die anyway. I'm surprised that more of them haven't done this. Also, let's not forget the ones in the general populace that do support said terrorists. If those sorts get killed helping terrorists, it's not Israel's fault. [quote]You obviously don't get the concept of this types of protests. The whole point is that somebody stands in the way of the bulldozer and assuming that the driver isn't insane the house doesn't get flattened.[/QUOTE] Or we could go with the logical assumption and assume that perhaps the driver [I]could not see[/I] the person he was running over. Nobody seems to take into account the driver's perspective. Since it was Israeli, Israel is [I]clearly[/I] at fault...

[QUOTE=Jenkem;20821671]You seem ignorant of the fact that these terrorists quite often [I]do[/I] hide behind civilians, since that provokes these sort of anti-Israel uproars. Unlike the United States, Israel actually [I]will[/I] fight if terrorists use civilians as cover. I also maintain that it's the fault of the citizens present if they allow Hamas or whoever to take up a position there. Even should they try to throw them out and be killed in the process, their fate hasn't changed much because they were going to die anyway. I'm surprised that more of them haven't done this. Also, let's not forget the ones in the general populace that do support said terrorists. If those sorts get killed helping terrorists, it's not Israel's fault. Or we could go with the logical assumption and assume that perhaps the driver [I]could not see[/I] the person he was running over. Nobody seems to take into account the driver's perspective. Since it was Israeli, Israel is [I]clearly[/I] at fault...[/QUOTE] lol [editline]11:42PM[/editline] you are too much, Jenkem

[QUOTE=Jenkem;20821671]Or we could go with the logical assumption and assume that perhaps the driver [I]could not see[/I] the person he was running over. Nobody seems to take into account the driver's perspective. Since it was Israeli, Israel is [I]clearly[/I] at fault...[/QUOTE] I don't wanna' get involved in an Israeli argument, but uh she's yelling to a megaphone I'm sure they new she was there.

Doesn't matter. He can't see the person. Sound is deceptive.

[QUOTE=Jenkem;20822058]Doesn't matter. He can't see the person. Sound is deceptive.[/QUOTE] "oh man i hear this sound in front of me, but since sound is deceptive i'll just ignore it and not take any safety precautions whatsoever" yeah, your argument is bullshit

[QUOTE=Jenkem;20822058]Doesn't matter. He can't see the person. Sound is deceptive.[/QUOTE] Oh yes it does matter, what a terrible cop out. Hearing is one of the most important and accurate senses we use to navigate our world, and a woman yelling into a megaphone a few feet in front of your vehicle doesn't leave many different interpretations to have. In fact I can't really think of any that wouldn't mean you wouldn't stop and look.

[QUOTE=Jenkem;20822058]Doesn't matter. He can't see the person. Sound is deceptive.[/QUOTE] so, the drivers drive blind? [IMG]http://www.thenational.ae/apps/pbcsi.dll/bilde?Site=AD&Date=20100313&Category=FOREIGN&ArtNo=703129819&Ref=AR&Profile=1002[/IMG] the land before it looks flat since there's no incline, so he must have seen her up until a few feet not to mention hear her what are you doing jenkem? [editline]12:09AM[/editline] and she's very orange [editline]12:10AM[/editline] sound is not deceptive when you're on a fucking megaphone

[QUOTE=Crhem van der B;20815446]Really, she's an idiot, why the fuck would you defend a building that was using by terrorists whose only single purpose is to kill innocent people? Would make sense if the building was a normal, housed by regular people.[/QUOTE] Never said that they were terrorists, just fighters. Hell, Israel killed a lot of innocent Palestinians, if I were one I would fight them as well. [editline]11:24PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Jenkem;20821671](and, as with my country, we won't even fire a single shot if there's a civilian within a whole city block of our target). Unlike the United States, Israel actually [I]will[/I] fight if terrorists use civilians as cover.[/QUOTE] Hahahaha this is too much. Have you ever seen that story where two innocent Palestinians were gunned down while cowering behind cover shouting "we're not terrorists"? I'm Chinese, you don't see me blindly defending my country. Blind nationalism is the thing that starts wars, you know. [editline]11:26PM[/editline] Oh, and the Israeli army can basically get away with anything. Who are you going to listen to, an entire fucking army or supposed "terrorists"?

[QUOTE=Jenkem;20821671](and, as with my country, we won't even fire a single shot if there's a civilian within a whole city block of our target)[/QUOTE] except the 1.3 million times civilians were within the city block of the target i also like how you say "our" you're a 15 year old neo-nazi, what military experience do you have?

[QUOTE=Jenkem;20822058]Doesn't matter. He can't see the person. Sound is deceptive.[/QUOTE] Uh, no. Megaphones are directional.

Why do they always do this for money? It makes their motives seem corrupt.

Women.

[QUOTE=Jenkem;20821671]Unlike the United States, Israel actually [I]will[/I] fight if terrorists use civilians as cover.[/QUOTE] That's because, unlike the United States, Israel is a nation of [url=http://www.facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=908793]genocidal shitlickers[/url]

Finally, we start getting sick of Israel's shit.

[QUOTE=TH89;20823912]That's because, unlike the United States, Israel is a nation of [url=http://www.facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=908793]genocidal shitlickers[/url][/QUOTE] Obviously, when you war with a nation for fucking 62 years how can you not hate them? The general population will hate them, it's just the government actions that matter most. Guess the government grew tired and sick of having a war with the same people for so many years, so they use power instead of democracy. Also, if we're at it, building a wall around the West Bank and Gaza strip was probably the best thing Israel's government ever did to protect innocent Israelis, since the amount of self-bombers was reduced by 90% if not more. I'm sure Israel tried democracy, but it doesn't seem to work.

[QUOTE=Crhem van der B;20828580]Obviously, when you war with a nation for fucking 62 years how can you not hate them? The general population will hate them, it's just the government actions that matter most. Guess the government grew tired and sick of having a war with the same people for so many years, so they use power instead of democracy. I'm sure Israel tried democracy, but it doesn't seem to work.[/QUOTE] that doesn't justify their actions

[QUOTE=Crhem van der B;20828580] Also, if we're at it, building a wall around the West Bank and Gaza strip was probably the best thing Israel's government ever did to protect innocent Israelis, since the amount of self-bombers was reduced by 90% if not more.[/QUOTE] I like how you pull statistics out of your ass yeah, and food, water, electricity, gas and communications have been blocked the people live in constant fucking fear and oppression and you make up statistics? [editline]06:46AM[/editline] you fucking scumbag i'd like for you to live in Gaza for a fucking day, and see if the people there are living luxuriously for your fucking fake stats.

Did I ever said people live good there? I never said that. Of course it was blocked, why would you help your enemy? They never really end up making a peace, and having diplomatic relations with HAMAS just doesn't make any sense. HAMAS kills everyone in the Gaza strip that doesn't support them. Great example is when they killed Fatah supports, just because they want to go with a different approach. Again, of course they live in constant fear and oppression, of the HAMAS people. The IDF don't go everyday for a bomb run or something. They only bombard (can't say that, it's one missile, not a load of them) the single place from which mortars are shot in order to kill the shooters. Also, I don't make up statistics, before the wall there were shitloads of self-bombers, many people I know were atleast once near such an explosion. After the wall was built there was barely any acts done, if any at all. EDIT: Forgot to say that if Israel was actually a nation of "genocidal shitlickers" then everyone in the Gaza strip would have been dead long ago. But obviously it's not true, since there still 3 million Arabs living there. So you cannot really say that, since genocide means specifically massacring a nation for the sole purpose of killing them... "No nation - no problem".

[QUOTE=Crhem van der B;20828764]Did I ever said people live good there? I never said that. Of course it was blocked, why would you help your enemy? They never really end up making a peace, and having diplomatic relations with HAMAS just doesn't make any sense. HAMAS kills everyone in the Gaza strip that doesn't support them. Great example is when they killed Fatah supports, just because they want to go with a different approach. Again, of course they live in constant fear and oppression, of the HAMAS people. The IDF don't go everyday for a bomb run or something. They only bombard (can't say that, it's one missile, not a load of them) the single place from which mortars are shot in order to kill the shooters. Also, I don't make up statistics, before the wall there were shitloads of self-bombers, many people I know were atleast once near such an explosion. After the wall was built there was barely any acts done, if any at all.[/QUOTE] After asking about 15 fucking times for a source, I'm calling bullshit [editline]07:08AM[/editline] you have absolutely NO idea what you are talking about. Most of the shit you spout is just moronic ramblings with no source or meaning [editline]07:09AM[/editline] half the shit you said is just flat out lies [editline]07:10AM[/editline] DUURRRR ISRAEL USES PRECESSION [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6eDoUnbRxqQ[/media] [editline]07:12AM[/editline] [QUOTE=Crhem van der B;20828764] EDIT: Forgot to say that if Israel was actually a nation of "genocidal shitlickers" then everyone in the Gaza strip would have been dead long ago. But obviously it's not true, since there still 3 million Arabs living there. So you cannot really say that, since genocide means specifically massacring a nation for the sole purpose of killing them... "No nation - no problem".[/QUOTE] [url]http://www.un.org/News/briefings/docs/2009/090107_Humanitarian.doc.htm[/url] IT took them 3 fucking weeks to stop after a massive civilian body count and the only reason they stopped was the scrutiny from everyone. [editline]07:13AM[/editline] you are absolutely fucking clueless, stop posting you evil swine

[QUOTE=Jenkem;20822058]Doesn't matter. He can't see the person. Sound is deceptive.[/QUOTE] She had a megaphone, and do you realize how long she was probably there? She didn't jump right in front of the bulldozer as Israel is trying to imply. [QUOTE=Crhem van der B;20816161]There are clear videos that shows HAMAS fighters standing between a school and another building and shooting from a mortar and quickly getting out of there soon after they shot.[/QUOTE] Like this video? [IMG]http://remembergaza.com/yahoo_site_admin/assets/images/in_unorwa_school_gaza.30141814.jpg[/IMG] UN School, no Hamas fighters, just civilians trying to utilize the shelter and food and UN workers. Or how about the attack on the Gaza school that killed 40 civilians and many of them children? [B] The United Nations said there were [/B][B]NO Hamas fighters in that school. [/B] [URL]http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1870087,00.html[/URL] [URL]http://www.goldstonereport.org/case-study/al-fakhoura-un-school/287-1709-timecom-mcgirl-no-hamas-fighters-in-bombed-gaza-school[/URL] Unlike you, I provide sources for my claims.

[QUOTE=TH89;20815379] What did the Ethiopians ever do to you?[/QUOTE] I hate starving black people. All skinny and shit. [editline]11:30PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Crhem van der B;20815491]Oh right, I forgot, HAMAS fighters have hideouts in normal buildings in order to blame the IDF for massacre or whatever when they kill innocent people. [/QUOTE] YES. THEY DO. That's the WHOLE POINT OF HIDING OUT IN CIVILIAN TERRITORY, STUPID.

[QUOTE=Trotsky;20828802]After asking about 15 fucking times for a source, I'm calling bullshit [/quote] Would be great if you'd say for what you want a source, you just saying "give me a source". [QUOTE=Trotsky;20828802] you have absolutely NO idea what you are talking about. Most of the shit you spout is just moronic ramblings with no source or meaning [/quote] Nice flaming. [QUOTE=Trotsky;20828802] half the shit you said is just flat out lies [/quote] Flaming again... [QUOTE=Trotsky;20828802] DUURRRR ISRAEL USES PRECESSION [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6eDoUnbRxqQ[/media] [/quote] Yeah, it doesn't show that they strafe run innocent civilians, for all we know there were HAMAS fighters there. [QUOTE=Trotsky;20828802] [url]http://www.un.org/News/briefings/docs/2009/090107_Humanitarian.doc.htm[/url] IT took them 3 fucking weeks to stop after a massive civilian body count and the only reason they stopped was the scrutiny from everyone. [/quote] I don't understand this. Stop what? And can you please quote whatever you want to say from that document. [QUOTE=Trotsky;20828802] you are absolutely fucking clueless, stop posting you evil swine [/QUOTE] Again, flaming. [QUOTE=starpluck;20828918] UN School, no Hamas fighters, just civilians trying to utilize the shelter and food and UN workers. [/quote] Just because that happened once, doesn't mean all they do is bombard and burn UN Schools. protoAuthor: [quote=protoAuthor] YES. THEY DO. That's the WHOLE POINT OF HIDING OUT IN CIVILIAN TERRITORY, STUPID. [/quote] Guess that's sarcasm, just not sure really.

Um, no. If anything Israel threw diplomatic talks out the window at their first chance and just started grabbing land. Stop being Israel's little bitch and actually do some research before you post. Also, just because he is "flaming" does not make you any more correct. Pointing that out just makes you look desperate.

Flaming makes him looks desperate, not me. It seems that he has nothing more to say beside insult and disrespect a different opinion. Also, it seems that you're doing exactly the same, just because I have my own opinion you insult me. By the way, what you said doesn't make any sense. Why would they continue to war? As I said, everyone there grew tired of fighting for the single purpose of existing for 68 years.

[QUOTE=Trotsky;20828802] DUURRRR ISRAEL USES PRECESSION [URL="http://www.facepunch.com/#"]View YouTUBE video[/URL] [URL]http://youtube.com/watch?v=6eDoUnbRxqQ[/URL] [/QUOTE] Uh, I may be wrong, but those look a lot like flares. notice they are only using them at night (or at twilight times). They are probably dropping mass amounts of flares to light up the area on the ground.

[QUOTE=Crhem van der B;20830751]Flaming makes him looks desperate, not me. It seems that he has nothing more to say beside insult and disrespect a different opinion.[/quote] noooo, he said bad words mommy help me stop whining [quote]Also, it seems that you're doing exactly the same, just because I have my own opinion you insult me.[/quote] [quote]By the way, what you said doesn't make any sense. Why would they continue to war? As I said, everyone there grew tired of fighting for the single purpose of existing for 68 years.[/QUOTE] as YOU said? so now it's your fucking word? and Israel doesn't want to continue fighting, but they want the fucking land and they will take it. So, uh, actually they WANT to keep fighting. [editline]02:22PM[/editline] [QUOTE=hypno-toad;20830759]Uh, I may be wrong, but those look a lot like flares. notice they are only using them at night (or at twilight times). They are probably dropping mass amounts of flares to light up the area on the ground.[/QUOTE] [url]http://rainbowwarrior2005.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/cluster-bomb-jan-9.jpg[/url] They were using the same thing during the day [IMG]http://rainbowwarrior2005.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/cluster-bomb-jan-9.jpg[/IMG] [editline]02:23PM[/editline] that's not chaff and it's not a smoke screen, because the smoke dies down pretty quickly... Like in seconds. [editline]02:29PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Crhem van der B;20830686]Yeah, it doesn't show that they strafe run innocent civilians, for all we know there were HAMAS fighters there.[/quote] it's in the middle of the city... [quote]I don't understand this. Stop what? And can you please quote whatever you want to say from that document.[/quote] read the whole conference, it shows how fucking resistant Israel is to pulling out after the UN is fucking telling them there's too many civilian casualties and they have to pull out. After constant pressure from the UN, they finally pulled out. [QUOTE]Just because that happened once, doesn't mean all they do is bombard and burn UN Schools.[/QUOTE] lol, that's your excuse? "it happened once" you're passing this off as a little mistake? fuck you, seriously. [editline]02:29PM[/editline] still waiting for those sources.

And I'm still waiting for you to answer to my question. For what things you need a source? [quote] read the whole conference, it shows how fucking resistant Israel is to pulling out after the UN is fucking telling them there's too many civilian casualties and they have to pull out. After constant pressure from the UN, they finally pulled out. [/quote] Well yeah, why would you pull out if you can occupy them (which actually won't bring anything, but that's another discussion) and stop the mortar shootings for at least some time. [quote] it's in the middle of the city... [/quote] So when you have nothing to say you just state a random fact that doesn't even change anything. So what if it's in the middle of the city? You think HAMAS have hideouts only near the border? That's bullshit. [quote] lol, that's your excuse? "it happened once" you're passing this off as a little mistake? fuck you, seriously. [/quote] No, that's not my excuse. If you would think logically (which you don't, from what I'm seeing), it would be obvious for you that the IDF won't never attack a UN school on purpose without a proper reasons. So we could easily figure out two options: a) there was actually some HAMAS fighters, a hideout, or whatever near the school b) the shot wasn't accurate and they missed their real target.