[QUOTE=Tigster;38528129]Good to see you understand the concept of 'innocent until proven guilty'[/QUOTE]
Unless you don't have the chance to be proven guilty because it's public knowledge that he payed hush money to the accuser.
Like I just said, I'm all about innocent until proven guilty. But that's before you pay enough money to where you don't have to worry about being proven either innocent or guilty. This is the incredibly suspicious part that people seem to be ignoring.
[QUOTE=J Paul;38528251]Unless you don't have the chance to be proven guilty because it's public knowledge that he payed hush money to the accuser.
Like I just said, I'm all about innocent until proven guilty. But that's before you pay enough money to where you don't have to worry about being proven either innocent or guilty.[/QUOTE]
Yup because he paid that money and didn't worry about anything ever again.
We get it, you've got history with this, but let's not pretend anyone here is some kind of definitive authority when all we know is what's been reported in the news. The fact is, it [I]didn't[/I] go through the courts, so we don't know if he's innocent or guilty. That's that.
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[QUOTE=J Paul;38527959]But a jury clearly doesn't convict based on accusation and testimony alone. They didn't convict michael and they had a whole lineup of kids who all could specifically identify michael jackson's penis out of a lineup. Like I said, public perception has nothing at all to do with what happens in a court of law.
Kevin had a great shot at winning this case had he just let it go through, and everyone would have known beyond a shadow of a doubt that he was truly innocent, but the facts are he didn't, and so now we don't know if he really was innocent, we just know that he was accused and threw money at it until it went away, which doesn't look very good for Kevin. On top of that, the first accuser is trying to find a way to return the check and see this actually go to court, which means that Kevin's plan of throwing money at it isn't actually going to work, which means any future accusers aren't out for money, they're out for a conviction.[/QUOTE]
Alright, now I kinda have to agree. See, if the accuser would've taken the money and shut up, we could also say it was just a shady unexplained deal that goes both ways. If he's prepared to toss the cheque and play it out in the courts, it's clear that he wants the truth revealed. That raises my eyebrows.
the same thing can happen with accusations of rape, even if they are proven innocent and aren't convicted, their reputation still goes down the shitter
[QUOTE=AJisAwesome15;38528597]the same thing can happen with accusations of rape, even if they are proven innocent and aren't convicted, their reputation still goes down the shitter[/QUOTE]
people are [URL="http://thegoddessblogs.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/Lucy_CharlieBrown-779461.gif"]gullible[/URL].
Are you gullible? Click [URL="http://i572.photobucket.com/albums/ss166/SebMcMeb123456/Misc/big-tick.jpg"]here [/URL]to find out!
Not to mention the money could be perfectly a lie to simply get more money off of him
Sesame Street won't be the same with out elmo. He's too iconic to replace.
Not totally on topic, but I to this day STILL find it hard to believe that Kevin Clash was the puppeteer/Voice Actor for Baby Sinclair on the old show Dinosaurs. Especially because I don't care for Elmo at all, but Baby was a laugh riot.
[QUOTE=J Paul;38528251]Unless you don't have the chance to be proven guilty because it's public knowledge that he payed hush money to the accuser.
Like I just said, I'm all about innocent until proven guilty. But that's before you pay enough money to where you don't have to worry about being proven either innocent or guilty. This is the incredibly suspicious part that people seem to be ignoring.[/QUOTE]
Settling out of court is in no way incriminating or an admission of guilt sorry.
[QUOTE=J Paul;38527621]It's basically like saying "hey yeah I like underage boys, but I also like legal loopholes".[/QUOTE]
It's not a legal loophole, it's just completely legal you fucking tool.
[QUOTE=rsa1988;38527945]I think that it is time that we make legislation that if someone makes false accusations that there are to be the ones to get into trouble. It is kinda sad that someone can make an accusation and get away with it if there are lying.[/QUOTE]
It can be considered Defamation or Slander but that's another court case that may or may not be successful in court, even if it is so what, Defamation goes to Civil Court which means no criminal charges
[QUOTE=Sir M;38526945]"Wont somebody PLEASE think of the children!"[/QUOTE]
Don't think of them too much, though, or you'll end up in prison.
[sp]Society.[/sp]
[QUOTE=Elfy;38526845]What's going on with all these people allegedly being paedophiles.[/QUOTE]
It's the new gay.
This title is midleading. I thought Kevin Clash died.
Wow, for a second I thought Kevin Clash died.
Poor guy. Saw his documentary, really good stuff. The guy worked hard to get where he is- was- and sacrificed a lot of shit.
I remember when Ernie and Bert moved out because apparently they were stereotyping the gays.
[QUOTE=J Paul;38527835] Kevin settled this for six figures out of court, that's why his reputation is destroyed. [B]If he was truly innocent, it would have come out in the courts[/B], but he didn't let it get that far.[/QUOTE]
You're an idiot.
No case which can be settled financially has the same standards of evidence as a proper criminal case, which is why they're considered nightmares to actually handle in court. Period. Do not pass go, do not cry about personal experiences, proceed directly to not posting.
[QUOTE=Disgruntled;38527746]Remember Michael Jackson? Accusations were recanted, and yet people still remember him as a pedophile. All this has happened before. All this will happen again.[/QUOTE]
I was just about to relate this case to Michael Jackson. Neither of them deserved the fate they have been given.
[QUOTE=Vodkavia;38536684]Getting puppeteers to move Elmo around is one thing, but do they have a voice actor to replace him?[/QUOTE]
The puppeteer also voices the puppet it operates. It doesn't work like what you suggested. There are cases, especially with the Muppets and Sesame Street (since you have a crapload of puppet characters for only a few puppeteers) where they do record their voices after recording the performance. Best example is the "I Hope That Something Better Comes Along" scene from the Muppet Movie, where it's two characters that Henson plays on the screen at the same time. Henson operated one of them, another puppeteer operated the other, and Henson recorded both voices later. But mostly, they operate and voice the character live, on stage, at the same time.
In this case, they will most likely find a new puppeteer for Elmo, like when Steve Whitmire took over Kermit and Ernie after Henson's death, or when Eric Jacobson took over Fozzie and Bert after Frank Oz left the company.
there goes one of the last great muppetteers trained by Jim Henson
[QUOTE=Rayss;38533219]Don't think of them too much, though, or you'll end up in prison.
[sp]Society.[/sp][/QUOTE]
Avatar fits?
Solution: Have a dashcam on at all times, drilled to your forehead. Let's see them try to accuse me now!
I saw a news story about this when I was on my meal break yesterday. It's so weird knowing that his deep voice is also the voice of Elmo. It gave me a Mike Tyson kind of vibe.
Disappointing that he had to go.
[QUOTE=J Paul;38527959] They didn't convict michael and they had a whole lineup of kids who all could specifically identify michael jackson's penis out of a lineup.[/QUOTE]
How could the system let that happen? Isn't this objective proof that he was guilty?
[QUOTE=PN_Redux;38529227]Sesame Street won't be the same with out elmo. He's too iconic to replace.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]Elmo is bigger than any one person and will continue to be an integral part of Sesame Street to engage, educate and inspire children around the world, as it has for 40 years.[/QUOTE]
[URL="http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2012/11/12/voice-of-elmo-on-leave-after-denying-relationship-with-teen/"]Source[/URL].
[QUOTE=Glitchman;38527739]If in fact the kid was underage... then that's no good. I really don't have tolerance for such an age gap. A grown up man like that should know better.
How old was the kid allegedly?[/QUOTE]What the hell does it matter what their ages are if they're willingly in a relationship together? I hope you can realize how ridiculously ignorant this statement is.
[editline]21st November 2012[/editline]
Dating a 16 year old is not considered pedophilia, unless you are both retarded and don't know what pedophilia means.
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