Guise of the Wolf developers, threaten TotalBiscuit over poor review. - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Grizz;43938495]Nobody should waste more than an hour on SimCity 5 :v:[/QUOTE] You'd never see how much of a polished turd SimCity 5 is by just a first impression. The broken "simulation" only really shows late-game when you don't know about it in the first place.

Thank god Genna was there to pick up that spare. Girl knows how to play a good game of bowling.

For many things like that, TB does research streams before the WTF is... then often does solo plays -so the 'first impressions' can be more informed than simply "here's what I did for the first blind hour." I recall watching his first SimCity playthrough on stream and then he brought Genna in for the WTF Is... because she was much further in and could highlight much more of the downside. EDIT: Damn it :v:

[t]http://i.imgur.com/w1iLIhi.png[/t] 1.5 Million Subscribers beg to differ.

[QUOTE=Grizz;43938617]For many things like that, TB does research streams before the WTF is... then often does solo plays -so the 'first impressions' can be more informed than simply "here's what I did for the first blind hour." I recall watching his first SimCity playthrough on stream and then he brought Genna in for the WTF Is... because she was much further in and could highlight much more of the downside. EDIT: Damn it :v:[/QUOTE] Still good points, even though I beat you to the punch with slang and metaphor.

[QUOTE=Grizz;43938617]For many things like that, TB does research streams before the WTF is... then often does solo plays -so the 'first impressions' can be more informed than simply "here's what I did for the first blind hour." I recall watching his first SimCity playthrough on stream and then he brought Genna in for the WTF Is... because she was much further in and could highlight much more of the downside. EDIT: Damn it :v:[/QUOTE] But then why name it "first impression" when you're doing extensive research?

[QUOTE=Killuah;43937760] Because people enjoy "oh my god look at THAT". And that's not being productive, not being helpfull and it creates a vile atmosphere. Basically it's being a dick.[/QUOTE] Uh yeah? I want to learn about a game before I buy it without it being spoiled. He focuses on things a consumer would care about.

Where was this said?

[QUOTE=Rangergxi;43938700]Uh yeah? I want to learn about a game before I buy it without it being spoiled. He focuses on things a consumer would care about.[/QUOTE] That has nothing to do with the way you present your stuff. You can do indepth reviews without much spoilering while still keeping away from that .. well in German I would say Schadenfreude, I think some English folks use it too - aka resorting to "haha look how bad THAT is" .

I think I feel bad most of all for Genna in all this. Few things hurt more than watching a loved one suffer and buckle under so much stress and bullshit.

Other than the publisher coming out in support of TB, has there really been any more news about this? Or are we just debating FOV sliders and shit?

[QUOTE=KennyAwsum;43938663] 1.5 Million Subscribers beg to differ.[/QUOTE] To be honest the sub-count is not a reliable source of supporters or even viewers. Generally speaking, out of the total sum a YouTuber has, if they're active enough, only about 10% of the subscribers will actually see the videos. [t]http://i.imgur.com/eRigl6S.jpg[/t]

I don't like TB's WTF Is videos because frankly he tends to be rather obnoxious in them (the whole "no fov slider 0/10 shit game is really hardly exaggerated), but the rest of his stuff (so things where he shows off older games and plays games with his friends) isn't half bad. Generally speaking, his videos are better when he's talking about shit games. If I want first impressions videos I'll watch Giant bomb's quick looks which are generally a lot less biased and a lot longer than TB's stuff.

[QUOTE=Killuah;43938760]That has nothing to do with the way you present your stuff. You can do indepth reviews without much spoilering while still keeping away from that .. well in German I would say Schadenfreude, I think some English folks use it too - aka resorting to "haha look how bad THAT is" .[/QUOTE] that's kind of an oversimplification of his commentary on bad games. he usually gives a pretty good explanation of what exactly is wrong with the game and why it's not a good investment. his content may not be as in-depth as other reviewers but his aim is to get info about new PC releases out as fast as he can and to provide consumers with valuable information on what they're getting themselves into, and i can respect that. in-depth analysis on games is kind of a different thing, and it DOES require a lot of time. if he spent like a week writing up a detailed review on the latest games the videos would come out way too slow. that's not what his channel is about.

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;43939066]I don't like TB's WTF Is videos because frankly he tends to be rather obnoxious in them (the whole "no fov slider 0/10 shit game is really hardly exaggerated), but the rest of his stuff (so things where he shows off older games and plays games with his friends) isn't half bad. Generally speaking, his videos are better when he's talking about shit games. If I want first impressions videos I'll watch Giant bomb's quick looks which are generally a lot less biased and a lot longer than TB's stuff.[/QUOTE] you've got the wrong approach towards his videos if you think his criticism on FOV sliders is an issue. you don't have to agree with everything he says. if he criticizes FOV sliders and that criticism doesn't apply to you at all then IGNORE IT and skip to the info you DO care about, like the gameplay. he NEVER says a game is completely shit just because it doesn't have FOV sliders, he just prefers for there to be an option because it is kind of a big deal for him and other people with motion sickness. if you don't get motion sickness from FOV then why do you care?

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;43939066]I don't like TB's WTF Is videos because frankly he tends to be rather obnoxious in them (the whole "no fov slider 0/10 shit game is really hardly exaggerated), but the rest of his stuff (so things where he shows off older games and plays games with his friends) isn't half bad. Generally speaking, his videos are better when he's talking about shit games. If I want first impressions videos I'll watch Giant bomb's quick looks which are generally a lot less biased and a lot longer than TB's stuff.[/QUOTE] Of course TB is hard on games for not having FOV sliders, you have to understand that for people like him, a game not having an FOV slider might as well mean it's crashing at the menu. It's completely unplayable.

[QUOTE=Y'all.;43939130]that's kind of an oversimplification of his commentary on bad games. he usually gives a pretty good explanation of what exactly is wrong with the game and why it's not a good investment. his content may not be as in-depth as other reviewers but his aim is to get info about new PC releases out as fast as he can and to provide consumers with valuable information on what they're getting themselves into, and i can respect that. in-depth analysis on games is kind of a different thing, and it DOES require a lot of time. if he spent like a week writing up a detailed review on the latest games the videos would come out way too slow. that's not what his channel is about.[/QUOTE] Yes and I don't doubt that intention it's just that "getting it out as fast as possible" is not really valuable information. There's a reason why The Sun, Fox News, BILD Zeitung and whatchacallit all emphasize their "BREAKING NEWS" and all the GOOD media who actually care for what they provide are usually a bit behind. Because giving out good information takes time. And I think it's a bit unresponsible on the consumers side to encourage him and others in this.

[QUOTE=wraithcat;43937652]To be honest, these rules are generally to protect from excessive swearing, more than swearing in general. Because if you allow it, you sometimes get people who just swear constantly. A well placed fuck isn't usually bad, a constant stream of fuck yous is.[/QUOTE] yeah but there are ones we go to, dont even notice the rule really, slip up, and get badgered for it. by the admins. so we just go on a tangent and all of us there become AVGN on a really bad day. yeah it probably is our fault but honestly some admins take their servers WAAAAAY too seriously. but we're gettin a little off topic so i'll just leave it there. and ask another question. Has TB done a WTF is review on starbound? not seeing it in his list only the deleted vid. which i find as a testimate to how bad the game it was for is.

[QUOTE=Killuah;43939269]Yes and I don't doubt that intention it's just that "getting it out as fast as possible" is not really valuable information. There's a reason why The Sun, Fox News, BILD Zeitung and whatchacallit all emphasize their "BREAKING NEWS" and all the GOOD media who actually care for what they provide are usually a bit behind. Because giving out good information takes time. And I think it's a bit unresponsible on the consumers side to encourage him and others in this.[/QUOTE] It's incredibly valuable information. How is it not valuable? I was on the rocks with Blackguards so I watched his review. He wasn't kind to the game, he pointed out a ton of flaws, but I knew what applied to me and what didn't. In the end it sold me on the game. And it was "GOOD MEDIA", he cares about all of his content and has delayed, and will delay, videos he doesn't think are adequate.

[QUOTE=Jax Strife;43939456]It's incredibly valuable information. How is it not valuable? I was on the rocks with Blackguards so I watched his review. He wasn't kind to the game, he pointed out a ton of flaws, but I knew what applied to me and what didn't. In the end it sold me on the game. And it was "GOOD MEDIA", he cares about all of his content and has delayed, and will delay, videos he doesn't think are adequate.[/QUOTE] Well then the "getting it out as fast as possible and first impression" argument is not completely true. I can't argue against different people who raise different points about the same guy here. I'm completely fine with adequate videos that go beyond "haha look how bad this is" like the one you mentioned.

[QUOTE=Killuah;43939269]Yes and I don't doubt that intention it's just that "getting it out as fast as possible" is not really valuable information. There's a reason why The Sun, Fox News, BILD Zeitung and whatchacallit all emphasize their "BREAKING NEWS" and all the GOOD media who actually care for what they provide are usually a bit behind. Because giving out good information takes time. And I think it's a bit unresponsible on the consumers side to encourage him and others in this.[/QUOTE] Yeah. I'm just about sure someone who wants to play a game is going to wait for a few months for super in-depth reviews to come out that tells the entire story of the game so he knows its good before playing it. That's not how it works. Why do you think most publisher gives review copy to major reviewers? Because in that way, they can have "Positive" reviews before the game is out, "confirming" consumer purchases. News is not always an industry of slow-paced, in-depth knowledge of information, but often the best information as soon as possible. When a game releases, there is a surge of consumers who buy the product (If they hadn't pre-purchased it already, that is). These surges of sales depends on popularity and information of the game at the time. Pre-release reviews are very important, but often biased, and TB's first impression videos often comes out the day or the day after release, and often covers big controversial releases OR small to medium sized indie titles with little reviews. These help the consumers make a choice, and may boost the sale of a title that might've gone in the dark, or destroy the sale of a title, like Guise of the wolf. You can't just come around and say " TB's first impression are completely shit because they are not an in-depth look of the game and he has emotions when playing games!", because you have to calculate WTF is videos comes about almost everyday except on weekends. You might say he opts in on quantity rather than quality, but I find the quality often is very reasonable for an hour to 5 hours look into a particular game. Also, he's one of the few who actually checks the entire option menu, which I really like. Some of these options are very important, for people who have old computers or have motion sickness at Low FOVs.

[QUOTE=Killuah;43939269]Yes and I don't doubt that intention it's just that "getting it out as fast as possible" is not really valuable information. There's a reason why The Sun, Fox News, BILD Zeitung and whatchacallit all emphasize their "BREAKING NEWS" and all the GOOD media who actually care for what they provide are usually a bit behind. Because giving out good information takes time. And I think it's a bit unresponsible on the consumers side to encourage him and others in this.[/QUOTE] TB actually provides fairly valuable information, though. his recent video on loadout convinced me to check it out. the question i wanted an answer to was "is this game worth my time", and he answered exactly that, he explained the business model/progression system, demonstrated how the weapon customization works and showed off some gameplay. that's all i needed to know about the game. how much of a difference would it make if it was an in-depth analysis of the game? if all i want to know is whether or not something is worth my time i don't NEED an in-depth analysis. i approach deeper reviews very differently, like i said before they're something i watch if i've already beaten the game and want to hear somebody elses thoughts on it in detail. why would you need that if you know nothing about the game? you don't need that much information, and the aim of TB's WTF IS series is to provide enough information on games to determine what they're about and a general idea of the gameplay. he also urges people to not base their purchase decisions solely off his videos and to look at other peoples perspectives on the game aswell. sometimes the WTF IS format isn't good for particular games, the first couple hours of a game may not be an accurate representation of the quality of the whole thing, but at least it gives me a general idea of what the game is about. if you already know what the game is about and you're still on the fence you shouldn't be looking at first impressions. there's a place for this style of content.

[QUOTE=Y'all.;43939579]the first couple hours of a game may not be an accurate representation of the quality of the whole thing[/QUOTE]To be fair if it takes a couple of hours before it gets good I'd question the quality of that game even more.

[QUOTE=Y'all.;43939158]you've got the wrong approach towards his videos if you think his criticism on FOV sliders is an issue. you don't have to agree with everything he says. if he criticizes FOV sliders and that criticism doesn't apply to you at all then IGNORE IT and skip to the info you DO care about, like the gameplay. he NEVER says a game is completely shit just because it doesn't have FOV sliders, he just prefers for there to be an option because it is kind of a big deal for him and other people with motion sickness. if you don't get motion sickness from FOV then why do you care?[/QUOTE] I do get motion sickness from FOV, I don't think the absence of a fov slider is that much of an issue. Then again I got used to adapting because I've played for a REALLY long time games that didn't have any sort of fov slider, or if they did I simply didn't know they were there. My point is, I don't really like his condescending attitude whether or not it's just a role he's playing. To me it sounds off-putting rather than funny and it'll just annoy me rather than entertain me. When he plays games he likes or is generally excited about his videos are actually pretty fun, I just don't like most WTF Is videos because they feel forced. Then again, I haven't watched his videos in a long time (apart from Garry's Incident and War Z I think the last video I watched from him was I Wanna See The Guy: Gaiden), so I'll probably give his videos another shot.

[QUOTE=Killuah;43939529]I'm completely fine with adequate videos that go beyond "haha look how bad this is" like the one you mentioned.[/QUOTE] As for these videos, they're more akin to PSAs saying, "Hey! This is a thing! Don't spend your money on it!" I'll agree that they can be pretty harsh but it usually doesn't get harsh until the bad things have compounded on top of each other. Like first dissing the textures, then noticing the black outline, then noticing the black outline vanishes weirdly, and then looking at the outline he manages to clip inside a boulder and get stuck. It's not one thing that immediately tips the scales to completely destroy a game. It's the small things that stack up one after another that really raises the question, did anybody fucking think this was a good idea?

[QUOTE=l337k1ll4;43939234]Of course TB is hard on games for not having FOV sliders, you have to understand that for people like him, a game not having an FOV slider might as well mean it's crashing at the menu. It's completely unplayable.[/QUOTE] I never quite understood the FOV thing until I tried BF4's campaign and couldn't play for more than 5 minutes without getting nauseous, then finding the FOV slider only applies to multiplayer, and single player is locked to 60. Why? Why the fuck is that even a thing?

F IS FOR SUEING PEOPLE FOR NO REASON U IS FOR UR A DOUCHE N IS FOR FUN CREATORS

That's how they'll meet their eeeend! I thought we were doing that song again.

[QUOTE=TheTalon;43935748]TB being harsh is what the industry needs. Who else can you watch a review about something from and be assured that it isn't biased? Sessler maybe? I sure don't go to IGN to read up about a game, a place that rates CoD a 9.5 for being innovative, then rating the PC version lower saying it isn't. I'll take the biggest dickhead in the world's word over anyone else's for honesty's sake when it comes to gaming because so many games talk their game up, offer very little actual info other than some scripted rehearsed scene, and it's to try and sucker you into buying it. TB isn't the biggest dickhead in the world or anything, but if he was I'd fucking welcome it. If it sucks, say it sucks, don't sugar coat it. That's what I want from game reviews Besides, if it's good he praises the hell out of it. So I personally hope he keeps slamming those who deserve to be slammed. Guise of the Wolf and Day One Garry's Incident are two games that I categorize as "Scams". Hobby games quickly thrown together with no real passion or care in the hopes to utilize digital distribution to get some quick money[/QUOTE] I really don't think it was harsh though. There's a difference between being harsh and honest. And in both Guise of the Wolf and Day One: Garry's Incidents' cases it was merely being honest. [QUOTE=Killuah;43937760][B]Basically he's the Yellow Press of videogame commentary[/B][/QUOTE] [QUOTE]Yellow journalism, or the yellow press, is a type of journalism that presents little or no legitimate well-researched news and instead uses eye-catching headlines to sell more newspapers.[/QUOTE] [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_journalism[/url] Yep, that totally sounds like TotalBiscuit, what with his research streams and such. It's almost like you don't actually know what you're talking about. He does research for a few hours to give a first impression of a given game. A first impression is a very important thing. Just like with meeting new people, the impression you give on your first meeting sticks with you.

Having loved the guys videos for about 4 years now, I feel really really sorry for TB. I was lucky enough to catch the original stream of him playing it and I haven't laughed so much for a long time. He is actually the reason I make videos myself, basically he kicked me over the edge of wanting to do so. From my childhood of flipping on TechTV and watching Extended Play with Adam Sessler I knew I wanted a career in gaming, and The Sess was a HUGE inspiration to me, then after I found TB in 2010 he became my second big inspiration and I decided to try and make a career for myself. FUN represents ALL that is rotten with gaming right now, and I hope they get put in the ground for what they are doing. The less companies like these we have the better. Come on, not even the likes of EA or Activision pull shit like this, these kids are scummier than a fish tank. I hate to see the guy so stressed out and hopefully this is resolved well for TB. But Christ alive can we stop having idiots like these trying to censor the rights of consumers to know about their shitty product in an honest way?