Guise of the Wolf developers, threaten TotalBiscuit over poor review. - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Jimesu_Evil;43932527] Well no shit, he's admitted this numerous times and has been getting professional help for a while now. He's said his doctor keeps telling him to stop reading the comments but he has trouble doing that because he needs those positive comments to keep himself doing what he does.[/QUOTE] So he needs the validation of others to keep doing what he likes doing? Or were the negative comments too much for him and he no longer likes reviewing games? If it's the latter, perhaps it is time to pursue different careers in life?

I started liking TB when I figured you just have to look at his videos without taking them too seriously. I noticed that a lot of the dislike towards TB comes from him trying to have/appearing to have the image of a professional game reviewer, where in the end it's only an opinion. I don't know whether he tries to have such an image, or if he just makes such an impression naturally, but either way the same thing applies. I wouldn't use his videos as guideline whether to buy a game or not but you can nicely see how the game actually looks like and how it works. I used to really dislike him because of complaining too much about minor issues and more often than not not appreciating positive aspects, but I suppose that's just his way of doing it. I kinda got used too it, started not to care too much about that, and kinda started enjoying his videos. At least, those are my thoughts on him.

[QUOTE=proch;43932629]I started liking TB when I figured you just have to look at his videos without taking them too seriously. I noticed that a lot of the dislike towards TB comes from him trying to have/appearing to have the image of a professional game reviewer, where in the end it's only an opinion. I don't know whether he tries to have such an image, or if he just makes such an impression naturally, but either way the same thing applies. I wouldn't use his videos as guideline whether to buy a game or not but you can nicely see how the game actually looks like and how it works. I used to really dislike him because of complaining too much about minor issues and more often than not not appreciating positive aspects, but I suppose that's just his way of doing it. I kinda got used too it, started not to care too much about that, and kinda started enjoying his videos. At least, those are my thoughts on him.[/QUOTE] TB has been a bit of a dick to people at times, but considering the stress he's apparently under him I don't blame him for getting a bit snappy at times.

[QUOTE=Melnek;43932526]This is sad in the same way a homeless man acknowledges his own uselessness, I dont think being a middle-aged video game journalist with a volatile fanbase is really the epitome of stress-related working environments. It is simply a matter of growing thicker skin no matter how much he tries to downplay the importance of that by saying it can only get you so far, because if other people are better at it as he rightfully claims, he has no reason not to be better at it as well. Maybe instead of letting all the constant criticism and the "death threats" get to him he can take a step back and reevaluate what it is he's actually doing, and realize that it's probably among the safest and most comfortable ways of getting money in modern days. All he has to do is sit at his computer, play games, and give his opinion on them. It's merely a matter of perspective which he seems to lack. He claims it's "constant noise of people" but it's the fucking internet, he has to learn to simply put up his videos, and walk away until the next one is made. If he's so bothered by the fact that in 10 positive comments 1 will be something along the lines of "shit video kill urself cunt" then I'm sorry but he has other, underlying personality-related issues that are entirely unrelated to video game journalism or the stress of being famous and he needs to seek professional help instead of blaming it all on a bunch of people he has never met or seen leaving some mean comments behind. He's a grown man for Christ sake.[/QUOTE] You're absolutely right. Unfortunately you don't always think that way when you're in that position. If he wasn't married to Genna I think he'd be a drug addict by now. [editline]16th February 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=carcarcargo;43932714]TB has been a bit of a dick to people at times, but considering the stress he's apparently under him I don't blame him for getting a bit snappy at times.[/QUOTE] Especially when people post that "I don't do requests" comment image.

Everything has been said before me, I have nothing to add but one thing. That it's even worse than how Garrys incident developers handled it. 'Fun' creators however are just going for complete suicide. How dumb you must be to attack and threat TB when you have [b]ONE[/b] shitty ass game on hand and thinking you have bigger fanbase than TB to protect you?

[QUOTE=carcarcargo;43932714]TB has been a bit of a dick to people at times, but considering the stress he's apparently under him I don't blame him for getting a bit snappy at times.[/QUOTE] People hate him because he's sometimes a bit of a dick? What, must he be a saint or something?

Something really isn't right here, something is off.

Imagine being those FUN Creators.

[QUOTE=carcarcargo;43932714]TB has been a bit of a dick to people at times, but considering the stress he's apparently under him I don't blame him for getting a bit snappy at times.[/QUOTE] He started out being a cynical dick (which was the whole point of his videos and pretty much his line of defense against people who find him too caustic), people started acting towards him as cynical dicks as well, and it ended up in a real clusterfuck because everyone acted as dickish as possible. It doesn't help that he didn't exactly come out clear on whether or not he was just putting on a character or not in his videos or if he was actually such a cynical douchebag in real life so people kept assuming things until he eventually got really worked up over it. Kind of interesting how he's pretty much built his entire fanbase and channel around being a prick, but doesn't actually have the ability himself to be surrounded by pricks.

[QUOTE=Crimor;43932485]Yes, fuck people that [B]GET PHYSICALLY ILL[/B] from low FOV, let's remove elipsy warnings too while making flashing colours everywhere, you'd be fine with that right? It's just a minority.[/QUOTE] We've been over this already, stop doing loaded implications, I've never said fuck the minority, stop putting words in my mouth. You will always have minorities and majorities in every decision you make, from the little features to the big features, how do you choose when you can't please every side? Using your example it's not that much different from forcing to make the game epilepsy-friendly or instead put a warning that's not suitable for epilepsy - not every game can be made to be epilepsy-friendly easily, do you think they are trying to fuck that minority?

[QUOTE=bunguer;43933445]We've been over this already, stop doing loaded implications, I've never said fuck the minority, stop putting words in my mouth. You will always have minorities and majorities in every decision you make, from the little features to the big features, how do you choose when you can't please every side? Using your example it's not that much different from forcing to make the game epilepsy-friendly or instead put a warning that's not suitable for epilepsy - not every game can be made to be epilepsy-friendly easily, do you think they are trying to fuck that minority?[/QUOTE] I've always seen his complaining about a lack of FOV sliders as giving an example of how a certain game isn't adapted well for PC. On-topic: I find this both hilarious and stupid.

[QUOTE=DVH;43933523]I've always seen his complaining about a lack of FOV sliders as giving an example of how a certain game isn't adapted well for PC. On-topic: I find this both hilarious and stupid.[/QUOTE] It's a valid critic, I just think he puts too much weight into it.

[QUOTE=bunguer;43933583]It's a valid critic, I just think he puts too much weight into it.[/QUOTE] Well he certainly weights a lot as he even said himself.

I don't think that's quite relevant. The amount of effort and passion someone puts into their craft has nothing to do with their physical mass. So it just does not work on a humour level. Putting a lot of effort into production values and making something great are good qualities for a YouTuber to have. Quality should always trump quantity, though quantity can also be important. Just not as much as quality.

[QUOTE=bunguer;43933583]It's a valid critic, I just think he puts too much weight into it.[/QUOTE] He puts a lot of weight into the FOV slider argument because, he's said in many of his videos, it's something that he can suffer from, and he has said many times, he doesn't do reviews but opinion pieces, so of course he's going to put more emphasis on things that affect him.

To anyone complaining that TB was harsh against Guise Of The Wolf: The developers felt this game was good enough to be a title commercially available on Steam. This isn't a dime store Desura title. They want $15 for this fucking thing. $15 is what I paid for Blood Dragon.

Guys, I just decoded meaning for this company's name! [B]F[/B]ucking [B]U[/B]nbelievable [b]N[/b]umbnuts Edit: Welp, didn't expect this kind of reaction. Probably deserved though.

[QUOTE=Grimhound;43933850]To anyone complaining that TB was harsh against Guise Of The Wolf: The developers felt this game was good enough to be a title commercially available on Steam. This isn't a dime store Desura title. They want $15 for this fucking thing. $15 is what I paid for Blood Dragon.[/QUOTE] Which was basically my GOTY for 2013.

[QUOTE=Melnek;43932526] instead of blaming it all on a bunch of people he has never met or seen leaving some mean comments behind. He's a grown man for Christ sake.[/QUOTE] If he has a mental illness then this is far from a fair point, believe me. My mother had Bipolar Disorder and more than half the time her logic was about as sensible as using an industrial oven to make toast. That, and she was often spiteful, bit and never let go until either she or the person in question left, and quick to get angry - even simple counter measures that she understood might have helped her, like to stop doing a stressful activity that was going nowhere and just pissing her off was impossible because she would keep doing it just to wallow in her own misery. Case in point, she sometimes had to contend with getting a shit printer to work, and she was a tech illiterate. Guess how that went. That's pretty much the epitomy of what TB describes as well. So if TB does have an illness, its not a case of whether he's a "grown man" or "mature" or "nasty", its a case of what his illness dictates to him.

I actually had the chance to meet TB in person at a convention a few months ago. He was pretty awesome to talk to and SUPER friendly. I've talked to Yatzee before and he really didn't give any attention (maybe he was busy). But TB, with everyone that came up to him that day, he gave everyone attention, looked them in the eye and kept a conversation with them. He's super polite and never looked down upon the people he was speaking to. I hope he can pull through this, I really do. He said in a previous video that he has backup plans upon backup plans if shit goes down. I wouldn't mind if he stopped making videos for awhile and let his fanbase dwindle then come back with a smaller group. Also a shity picture of my mouse pad I got him to sign. The marker was really feint. [t]http://i.cubeupload.com/17qAsa.jpg[/t]

There's no way these guys are legit. I mean, that horrible grammar, smilies etc. How do they have a company? I've seen more professional behavior from 11-year old Facepunch users who are promoting a GMod comic edited in MSPaint.

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Remember those days where reviewers can just review anything they wanted to without getting into trouble? Those were the days.

[QUOTE=Grimhound;43933850]To anyone complaining that TB was harsh against Guise Of The Wolf: The developers felt this game was good enough to be a title commercially available on Steam. This isn't a dime store Desura title. They want $15 for this fucking thing. $15 is what I paid for Blood Dragon.[/QUOTE] Has anyone other than the idiots on the Steam forums said he was too harsh? I honestly don't think he was remotely harsh considering the overall quality of the game.

[QUOTE=Grimhound;43933850]To anyone complaining that TB was harsh against Guise Of The Wolf: The developers felt this game was good enough to be a title commercially available on Steam. This isn't a dime store Desura title. They want $15 for this fucking thing. $15 is what I paid for Blood Dragon.[/QUOTE] Any time an indie game comes out I always compare it to Metal Gear Rising. MG:R is twenty fucking bucks. For a full, polished game with little to no bugs and enough content to warrant its pricetag. How any indie developer can release a game anywhere near this price without the same level of content and polish is beyond me.

[QUOTE=proch;43932629]I started liking TB when I figured you just have to look at his videos without taking them too seriously. I noticed that a lot of the dislike towards TB comes from him trying to have/[B]appearing to have the image of a professional game reviewer, where in the end it's only an opinion[/B]. I don't know whether he tries to have such an image, or if he just makes such an impression naturally, but either way the same thing applies. I wouldn't use his videos as guideline whether to buy a game or not but you can nicely see how the game actually looks like and how it works. I used to really dislike him because of complaining too much about minor issues and more often than not not appreciating positive aspects, but I suppose that's just his way of doing it. I kinda got used too it, started not to care too much about that, and kinda started enjoying his videos. At least, those are my thoughts on him.[/QUOTE] game reviewing died with major gaming sites/magazines getting lazier and lazier about covering how paid off they are, the only real 'truths' you can find are opinion pieces. It's not objective truths in the fact that he gives numbers and stats, but the kind of thoughts you'd expect from a friend with similar interests (provided you think TB's general likes line up with your own) That's what really sells on youtube, the 'surrogate friend' personality; the person who tells you what's up, talks informally, gives advice on the latest and greatest, laughs over stupid things, etc. There's a good write-up somewhere about how that's why pewdie is so ridiculously loved, he's that goofball friend you'd have sleepovers with to play games until you're loopy and the sun is rising, and not everybody has the kind of friend to goof off with like that. As far as any line of business goes, biscuit is just as professional as any game journalist, and probably makes an obscenely larger amount of money over your standard gaming blogger throwing out numbers [editline]16th February 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Ganerumo;43934147]Any time an indie game comes out I always compare it to Metal Gear Rising. MG:R is twenty fucking bucks. For a full, polished game with little to no bugs and enough content to warrant its pricetag. How any indie developer can release a game anywhere near this price without the same level of content and polish is beyond me.[/QUOTE] MGR also expected to sell a fuckton of units because it's a massive franchise. As an entirely unknown indie dev who slipped under the radar, you're going to get one week's pay in a month, IF it garners some attention. The quality of any work is not exactly what determines the prices, it's the expectation of demand vs how much manpower you put into it. That doesn't always mean it's worth it to the customer, but you can't just drop your prices because so-and-so is cheap This is a problem with people who do art commissions, you'll have the occasional big-name who can whip out some cool stuff in a few hour and doesn't care about money as they have a job elsewhere, so they'll do something for a small paywall like $20. Meanwhile, others who actually [I]need to make a living[/I] have to charge a fair wage for themselves, which is at minimum $17/hour, and depending on complexity of the job, it can take some time to complete it. You then get people bitching at you, "Why does your work cost X when this guy over here does it for 1/2 the price?"

[QUOTE=dai;43934327]game reviewing died with major gaming sites/magazines getting lazier and lazier about covering how paid off they are, the only real 'truths' you can find are opinion pieces. It's not objective truths in the fact that he gives numbers and stats, but the kind of thoughts you'd expect from a friend with similar interests[/QUOTE] i dont know how it came to be that people think this is definitely as widespread as you think it is, without any evidence of it. there are some seriously dodgy and well-documented cases of it sure, but it's like people think every single review on gamespot or IGN is bought out now which just isn't true. my bro writes for both and there's never been any evidence of it

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;43934147]Any time an indie game comes out I always compare it to Metal Gear Rising. MG:R is twenty fucking bucks. For a full, polished game with little to no bugs and enough content to warrant its pricetag. How any indie developer can release a game anywhere near this price without the same level of content and polish is beyond me.[/QUOTE] But MG:R release price was 60 bucks. That on pc costs 20 bucks is other thing. Maybe you could compare them with Blood Dragon, wich was made for $15.

I met totalbiscuit when I was really drunk once and spilled vodka on him, bit embarrassing but still a fun memory.

[QUOTE=proch;43932629]I started liking TB when I figured you just have to look at his videos without taking them too seriously. I noticed that a lot of the dislike towards TB comes from him trying to have/appearing to have the image of a professional game reviewer, where in the end it's only an opinion. I don't know whether he tries to have such an image, or if he just makes such an impression naturally, but either way the same thing applies. I wouldn't use his videos as guideline whether to buy a game or not but you can nicely see how the game actually looks like and how it works. I used to really dislike him because of complaining too much about minor issues and more often than not not appreciating positive aspects, but I suppose that's just his way of doing it. I kinda got used too it, started not to care too much about that, and kinda started enjoying his videos. At least, those are my thoughts on him.[/QUOTE] TB is not an asshole, he's honest. He has never onced implied that he is a professional game reviewer, over and over again he has stated that his videos are first impressions and not reviews, over and over has he stated that it is his opinion and if he is proven wrong about something he will apologize and fix his error as he has done several times. He may complain about minor problems in games a lot, but that's part of what he does and he never lets small issues become big issues. TB is honestly the most objective and well-informed game journalist on youtube that I know of. His points are always valid and he has a lot of experience in the industry but you have to watch his videos in context. You can't just watch a bit of a video and declare "this guy complains a lot, what a dick" because that's his job, judging games. When it comes to taste he and I have very different tastes and I don't enjoy all the games he praise, and I enjoy many games he doesn't like - but he is very down to earth and spot on in his opinions. The only people who he has ever been a dick to have been people who are even bigger dicks to him. [editline]16th February 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=orcywoo6;43934541]I met totalbiscuit when I was really drunk once and spilled vodka on him, bit embarrassing but still a fun memory.[/QUOTE] What did he do?