Israelis in Tel Aviv chanting, “There’s no school tomorrow, there’s no children left in Gaza! Oleh!”
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[QUOTE=Sgt-NiallR;45534295]Well, the US isn't currently committing all but genocide.[/QUOTE]
Once again, because you people obviously can't count: Maybe half a million dead people in Iraq alone. Over 10,000 of them [B]after[/B] Obama got elected. About 20,000 in Afghanistan. As much as 50,000 in Pakistan.
So far about 1100 Palestinians killed in this conflict, and about 20,000 Israelis and Palestinians killed in the conflict since it started in 1948.
I laughed more at the thread title than I should have. It's morbid but at the same time it's funny.
[QUOTE=Sgt-NiallR;45534295]Well, the US isn't currently committing all but genocide.[/QUOTE]
If you believe this you are hopelessly naïve
[QUOTE=mchapra;45534882]If you believe this you are hopelessly naïve[/QUOTE]
no one here is committing genocide lmao
don't cheapen the word for your weak-knee theatrics
It's not a genocide but it's definitely a massacre.
[QUOTE=Megadave;45534443]If Israelis chanting for the deaths of the Palestinians isn't ignorance, I don't know what is.[/QUOTE]
People who don't speak Hebrew blindly believing a biased source like OP's.
[QUOTE=Sokrates;45534633]the sad part is that this is something that the goverment and a huge amount of the population probably actually believes.[/QUOTE]
The sad part is this is what [i]you[/i] people actually believe.
[QUOTE=VinLAURiA;45534610]I'm really starting to hate Israel. At first it was more like irritated apathy, but the more I hear about it, the more I can't stand it.
It's like the spoiled brat raised by some doting royalty, brought up to think he's so goddamn special and that the entire world owes him something, expecting everyone to kiss up to him and be nice around him. All because of this goddamn "holy land" garbage. God, I remember that "Israel is our greatest ally" speech from our president a while back and it still baffles me. What did Israel do to deserve [i]that[/i] ass-kissing? Because it was a significant location in some religious texts? How has it [i]ever[/i] actually helped or supported us, or is this just the lip-service it expects because it's Israel and it's the national equivalent of a special snowflake?
Israel acts like it's so damn important and that it can get away with anything. I don't care what religion you believe in and I'm not even gonna criticize it - if it's what you want to believe and you're not killing anyone over it, go for it - but you don't get a free pass because you live on what you believe to be your chosen diety's front porch or whatever, and the fact that so many people fight over ownership of the friggin' [i]land[/i] it sits on is astounding. And that we have people like this cheering on the deaths of children in Gaza (I don't even remember [i]why[/i] this stupid scuffle started at this point) just makes me want to grab each one by the collar and ask them who the hell they think they are. Whoever's in charge of the whole pit is a load of garbage for starting this stupid fight in the first place.
God. I feel sorry for all the decent people living there. And I'm not excusing any Americans who pull this kinda crap either. WBC? KKK? To hell with them. Your heritage and religion mean [i]crap[/i] when it comes to what you've done and deserve. But Israel? Man, they are a piece of [i]work[/i] with this "divine right" crap. They're barely above North Korea in that regard.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=StrawberryClock;45534618]Don't worry guys, there was the holocaust so that means it's okay for the IDF to murder defenseless Palestinians. I mean a couple of thousands of victims is a pittance compared to the millions of Jews who perished during World War II. If you criticize the Israeli government's right to kill innocent bystanders you're just an anti-semitic Hamas-loving neo-nazi. The Palestinans need to learn that it's their own fault that we're bombing them, they just need to stop supporting the Hamas which the only reason it still exist is because we're bombing them. If young men would only stop wanting to get revenge for us killing the rest of their families then we wouldn't have this problem in the first place. Sure, we could just stop killing civilians but that means we'd be letting the Hamas win! If the Hamas does something wrong then the whole group needs to suffer because how are they going to learn otherwise? Truly, the only solution is for Palestinans to stop hating us for killing them. NEED I REMIND YOU THAT THE WHOLE WORLD HATES US WORLD WAR II HOLOCAUST NEO-NAZIS HEY AMERICA DON'T STOP SENDING US THAT MONEY SO THAT GOD'S CHOSEN PEOPLE CAN SPEND THAT MAD MOOLAH ON OUR DEFENSE INDUSTRY CAN'T DEFEND OURSELVES WITHOUT STATE-OF-THE-ART TANKS AND PLANES OF OUR OWN DESIGN LIKE THE TORAH SAID WE SHOULD. NEED I REMIND YOU THAT IF YOU CRITICIZE THE ISRAELI GOVERNMENTS ACTION IT MEANS YOU HATE ALL JEWS.
AS ALWAYS, REMEMBER OUR MOTTO: EVERYBODY YOU KNOW IS ANTI-SEMITIC UNTIL PROVEN OTHERWISE.[/QUOTE]
Both of you need to stop getting your information from /pol/ and Stromfront infographics.
US aid to Israel is virtually nothing, this might come as a shock to you, but we have an extremely strong economy which can sustain itself perfectly fine without US help. (Whatever help you think the US is actually giving us). They helped us 40 maybe 50 years ago back when the country was just developing.
Secondly, literally no one uses the holocaust as justification for [i]anything[/i]. The only people who ever bring up the holocaust are people like yourselves thinking they know exactly why our government and people behave the way they do. And no, criticizing Israel doesn't automatically label you an anti-semite in the eyes of Israelis. You know what constitutes being an anti-semite? Actually being one.
The fact that both of you took your time to make these absolutely cringeworthy posts generelizing an entire nation you know nothing about besides reading random SH articles shows just how gullible you are. I guess the US is literally a 'malevolent' bible-thumping shithole because the Westboro Baptist Church threw a protest.
[QUOTE=ScumBunny;45534824]Once again, because you people obviously can't count: Maybe half a million dead people in Iraq alone. Over 10,000 of them [B]after[/B] Obama got elected. About 20,000 in Afghanistan. As much as 50,000 in Pakistan.
So far about 1100 Palestinians killed in this conflict, and about 20,000 Israelis and Palestinians killed in the conflict since it started in 1948.[/QUOTE]
I am interested to know what your source is for the 500,000 casualties in Iraq, the source I have says 120,000-140,000. Though, I believe all your other statistics, they seem credible. I disagree that this could be labelled genocide. The U.S. isn't killing people based off of ethnicity or religion at all, it's based off of whether they are a terrorist threat to their own state or other nation states. These wars can hardly be called genocide.
The U.S. definitely does not have a perfect past, the U.S. occupation of the Philippines, the KKK/racism, and neo-nazis are all examples of this. Fact of the matter, though, most of those things represent a small radical part of what the people of United States [I]stood[/I] for, and what most the vast majority of people do not stand for today. I don't exactly support the United States' modern role as a police nation in many global conflicts, but at the same time I do understand why we do it. It's for global democracy, whether the goal is attainable or not. I understand the costs that come with this goal sometimes cannot be seen as beneficial.
Now when it comes to the IDF and Hamas, who are both at fault, I believe that neither can be held more accountable for the violence than the other. Though there are some radicals supporting this conflict on both sides, I recognize most citizens of both nations most likely don't want to be affected by this conflict, yet in fact there is no avoiding it because of the say of their political organizations.
Simply put, I'm not pointing just one finger here, I just hope that the conflict will end before more lives are lost and futures destroyed.
[QUOTE=Melnek;45535122]The sad part is this is what [i]you[/i] people actually believe.
Both of you need to stop getting your information from /pol/ and Stromfront infographics.
US aid to Israel is virtually nothing, this might come as a shock to you, but we have an extremely strong economy which can sustain itself perfectly fine without US help. (Whatever help you think the US is actually giving us). They helped us 40 maybe 50 years ago back when the country was just developing.
Secondly, literally no one uses the holocaust as justification for [i]anything[/i]. The only people who ever bring up the holocaust are people like yourselves thinking they know exactly why our government and people behave the way they do. And no, criticizing Israel doesn't automatically label you an anti-semite in the eyes of Israelis. You know what constitutes being an anti-semite? Actually being one.
The fact that both of you took your time to make these absolutely cringeworthy posts generelizing an entire nation you know nothing about besides reading random SH articles shows just how gullible you are. I guess the US is literally a 'malevolent' bible-thumping shithole because the Westboro Baptist Church threw a protest.[/QUOTE]
B-but, Anoynmous said Israel is bad!!!
I'd really like to see a well-constructed argument against Israel's actions other than "Israel is evil genocide because holocaust excuse!" from most of the posters here. Then again, considering that a majority of the forums gets their information from clickbait news sites and internet forums filled with angsty teenagers, I'm not sure how much I should really be expecting to see.
[QUOTE=ScumBunny;45534824]Once again, because you people obviously can't count: Maybe half a million dead people in Iraq alone. Over 10,000 of them [B]after[/B] Obama got elected. About 20,000 in Afghanistan. As much as 50,000 in Pakistan.
So far about 1100 Palestinians killed in this conflict, and about 20,000 Israelis and Palestinians killed in the conflict since it started in 1948.[/QUOTE] But it's not bad because they had terrorists th-- wait a second...
[QUOTE=LtKyle2;45534327]americans aren't marching around chanting and supporting the death of children[/QUOTE]
no
just supporting the deportation of impoverished honduran kids
but thats not wishing death upon them right
just indirectly
What a bunch of fucks.
[QUOTE='Poesidan [GAG];45535147']I am interested to know what your source is for the 500,000 casualties in Iraq, the source I have says 120,000-140,000. Though, I believe all your other statistics, they seem credible. I disagree that this could be labelled genocide. The U.S. isn't killing people based off of ethnicity or religion at all, it's based off of whether they are a terrorist threat to their own state or other nation states. These wars can hardly be called genocide.
The U.S. definitely does not have a perfect past, the U.S. occupation of the Philippines, the KKK/racism, and neo-nazis are all examples of this. Fact of the matter, though, most of those things represent a small radical part of what the people of United States [I]stood[/I] for, and what most the vast majority of people do not stand for today. I don't exactly support the United States' modern role as a police nation in many global conflicts, but at the same time I do understand why we do it. It's for global democracy, whether the goal is attainable or not. I understand the costs that come with this goal sometimes cannot be seen as beneficial.
Now when it comes to the IDF and Hamas, who are both at fault, I believe that neither can be held more accountable for the violence than the other. Though there are some radicals supporting this conflict on both sides, I recognize most citizens of both nations most likely don't want to be affected by this conflict, yet in fact there is no avoiding it because of the say of their political organizations.
Simply put, I'm not pointing just one finger here, I just hope that the conflict will end before more lives are lost and futures destroyed.[/QUOTE]
I got the numbers from [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Iraq_War#Tables"]wikipedia[/URL]. The estimates are anywhere between over a hundred thousands to one million, apparently.
I wasn't of course accusing the U.S. of genocide. I'm just irked by people here constantly accusing Israel of genocide when, as violent as this campaign is it is clearly nowhere near as bloody as many other recent ones, including all the one the U.S. is involved in.
I agree with everything else you said.
[QUOTE=Zambies!;45534178]these guys aren't racist
[t]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e7/Flag_of_Kach_and_Kahane_Chai.svg[/t][/QUOTE]
The flag kind of looks like someone punching the star of david, which is ironic for a jewish extremist party.
[QUOTE=Sokrates;45534070][url]http://palsolidarity.org/2014/07/video-israelis-in-tel-aviv-chanting-theres-no-school-tomorrow-theres-no-children-left-in-gaza-oleh/[/url]
[video=youtube;h7qFACSfd_k]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7qFACSfd_k[/video][/QUOTE]
So, Starpuck, how come that clearly biased source is allowed while people posting pro-Israeli sources get banned? I mean, it's in the title. Palsolidarity.org.
Ahem. I will now improve this post with actual useful information.
One of the clowns responsible for organizing those right wing counter protests to peace rallies is a current has-been and former crap rapper Yoav Eliasi, AKA [B]The Shadow[/B] ("HaTzel"), the sidekick to other crap rapper Subliminal
Here's one of their, ahem, classics:
[video=youtube;Uab6DikdP-g]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uab6DikdP-g[/video]
And here's something more recent, dedicated to the soldiers in Gaza of course:
[video=youtube;8t2Z8iVCvFM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8t2Z8iVCvFM[/video]
This guy has been coordinating various groups of radical right wingers including, yes, football hooligans, to show up and bully people protesting the war. And of course whenever the police isn't looking they also beat up the peace supporters.
He lovingly calls all these guys "The Shadow's Lions".
Well, he got his fame. This has gotten public enough that the minister of Education, a member of the government responsible for this war, has confronted him in a televised interview on [URL="http://www.ynet.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-4551644,00.html"]Ynet[/URL] (Hebrew link) and accused him of poisoning the souls of Israeli children.
[QUOTE=ScumBunny;45535652]I got the numbers from [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Iraq_War#Tables"]wikipedia[/URL]. The estimates are anywhere between over a hundred thousands to one million, apparently.
I wasn't of course accusing the U.S. of genocide. I'm just irked by people here constantly accusing Israel of genocide when, as violent as this campaign is it is clearly nowhere near as bloody as many other recent ones, including all the one the U.S. is involved in.
I agree with everything else you said.[/QUOTE]
This is compounded by the fact that Gaza is the third most densely populated area in the world. The fact that a military campaign in that area with regular airstrikes hasn't killed tens of thousands in literal days is an extremely important perspective that shouldn't be overlooked. The IDF is far from perfect ([u]this is not a justification[/u]), but given the situation, they're handling it extremely well.
Any other military would probably storm in, overthrow the government under the pretext of liberation/democratization and be over with it, rather than draw out the conflict for decades under heavy pressure from the international community.
[QUOTE=ScumBunny;45534247]Right. So on a scale of zero to Nazi Germany, how malevolent a country would you say we are, with our chanting asshole demonstrations, compared to yours with your KKK, neo Nazis, teabaggers and Fox News?[/QUOTE]
KKK/Neo Nazis are completely irrelevant in the US and have been for a long time, literally no one here takes them seriously and they're both viewed with contempt by every group in the US that aren't themselves. As for comparing a bunch of near senile old men who don't like mexicans and a shitty news station to people actively chanting what amounts to "Yay dead children"? If you think either groups are anywhere near as hateful as people([U]People in the OP Video, not Israel as a whole[/U]) actively chanting what amounts to YAY DEAD CHILDREN, you're delusional.
[QUOTE=Melnek;45535122]The sad part is this is what [I]you[/I] people actually believe.
Both of you need to stop getting your information from /pol/ and Stromfront infographics.
US aid to Israel is virtually nothing, this might come as a shock to you, but we have an extremely strong economy which can sustain itself perfectly fine without US help. (Whatever help you think the US is actually giving us). They helped us 40 maybe 50 years ago back when the country was just developing.
Secondly, literally no one uses the holocaust as justification for [I]anything[/I]. The only people who ever bring up the holocaust are people like yourselves thinking they know exactly why our government and people behave the way they do. And no, criticizing Israel doesn't automatically label you an anti-semite in the eyes of Israelis. You know what constitutes being an anti-semite? Actually being one.
The fact that both of you took your time to make these absolutely cringeworthy posts generelizing an entire nation you know nothing about besides reading random SH articles shows just how gullible you are. I guess the US is literally a 'malevolent' bible-thumping shithole because the Westboro Baptist Church threw a protest.[/QUOTE]
My post was a satire of what the usual [U]apologists[/U] for the IDF's actions usually sounds like. You're the one who made the assumption I was depicting what I think every Israeli sounds like. If you're against what the IDF is currently doing you and I are on the same page. Contrary to popular belief I do believe that there are plenty of sane people that live in Israel, and those people disagree with the current government's actions.
If you really must know I've never been on 4chan and I don't know what Stormfront infographics is.
I was parodying the fact that basically the US is indirectly funding the Defense industry in Israel. 3 billion dollars a year or about 1.5% of your GPD doesn't seem like insignificant to me. I'm sure you could do without it but I'm willing to be that it helps to buy some fancy toys.
I'll give you the fact about the holocaust, I'm sure most level-headed Israeli won't use it to justify anything. The only people who use it are non-Israelis in semantics regarding what's the difference between genocide and mass-murder, which is kind of funny. Regarding what consists being an anti-semite, you basically wrote a self-referring sentence. Again, I was parodying the fact that a lot of apologist seem to say that if you dare show some sympathy for the Palestinian's situation and dislike for the Israeli army's actions you MUST hate Israel.
The only thing I hate is violence directed at civilians, which is why I also dislike the Hamas. It's just that IDF treats the Hamas like a state entity and not a terrorist organization and then wonders why they're not disbanding when they're killing civilians. That's because the more Palestinians they kill, the more they radicalize the youth and the more manpower they give to the Hamas.
For your last sentence again you're the one who takes personal offense since I've only been mocking apologists of the IDF's actions. I've been reading plenty about Israel in my own time and my brother who has a baccalaureate in political science has explained to me some of the details of how politics in Israel work. I think it's an unfair comparison about the US. A better comparison would be the US Army's actions in various conflicts which in my book is not any better than what the IDF is doing right now. And I mean heck the US is funding you guys so I guess it's because at a political level they tacitely agree with what the IDF is doing. You think I agree with what the US is doing? Do you think I agree with what my OWN country is doing? Fuck no.
[QUOTE=evilweazel;45536046]KKK/Neo Nazis are completely irrelevant in the US and have been for a long time, literally no one here takes them seriously and they're both viewed with contempt by every group in the US that aren't themselves.[/QUOTE]
So are the people in OPs video.
These are just a bunch of upset chavs. Literally the equivalent of "[url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjuNuqIev8M]Muslamic ray guns[/url]"
[QUOTE=evilweazel;45536046]KKK/Neo Nazis are completely irrelevant in the US and have been for a long time, literally no one here takes them seriously and they're both viewed with contempt by every group in the US that aren't themselves. As for comparing a bunch of near senile old men who don't like mexicans and a shitty news station to people actively chanting what amounts to "Yay dead children"? If you think either groups are anywhere near as hateful as people([U]People in the OP Video, not Israel as a whole[/U]) actively chanting what amounts to YAY DEAD CHILDREN, you're delusional.[/QUOTE]
Again, because reading comprehension appears to be scarce in this thread, let's look to confinedUser's original post, to which I was replying.
Ready? Here goes.
[QUOTE=confinedUser;45534145]god damn what a malevolent [B]country[/B] they are.[/QUOTE]
See? He said "country". As opposed to "People in the OP Video, not Israel as a whole".
Now, speaking of [B]countries[/B], 'cause that's what were discussing, can you honestly say there's not one single group in the great United States that is as malevolent as the fucktards in the OP video, which would somehow make the entire country malevolent?
Please take a moment to think this through before you reply. My brain already hurts.
[editline]29th July 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=Sokrates;45534070][url]http://palsolidarity.org/2014/07/video-israelis-in-tel-aviv-chanting-theres-no-school-tomorrow-theres-no-children-left-in-gaza-oleh/[/url]
[video=youtube;h7qFACSfd_k]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7qFACSfd_k[/video][/QUOTE]
I'm replying to much to this post, but this is really pissing me off.
This is the [URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7Jj_Oe7uQc"]original video[/URL], linked to from the video posted above.
From the description:
[QUOTE]Tel Aviv. The demonstration was held across the square from [B]a much bigger pro-peace demonstration[/B] that took place at the same time.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=POLOPOZOZO;45535215]no
just supporting the deportation of impoverished honduran kids
but thats not wishing death upon them right
just indirectly[/QUOTE]
Kids are the future. If Honduras wants a future, they'll need kids.
[QUOTE=LtKyle2;45534327]americans aren't marching around chanting and supporting the death of children[/QUOTE]
I dunno about that
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57Z2SxEuuQ0[/media]
[QUOTE=ScumBunny;45534824]Once again, because you people obviously can't count: Maybe half a million dead people in Iraq alone. Over 10,000 of them [B]after[/B] Obama got elected. About 20,000 in Afghanistan. As much as 50,000 in Pakistan.
So far about 1100 Palestinians killed in this conflict, and about 20,000 Israelis and Palestinians killed in the conflict since it started in 1948.[/QUOTE]
So because it's a smaller number it's okay? Beautiful logic Scum.
The US is certainly has its opinions about the children coming in.. kinda depressing really, but compared to the rest of the world, we're really the least shitty place atm :v:
[QUOTE=Zambies!;45534178]these guys aren't racist
[t]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e7/Flag_of_Kach_and_Kahane_Chai.svg[/t][/QUOTE]
that logo is sick though look at it fuck
makes me wanna put it up on my bedroom wall or something
[QUOTE=LtKyle2;45534327]americans aren't marching around chanting and supporting the death of children[/QUOTE]
[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westboro_Baptist_Church#Funeral_pickets]Yes they are.[/url] Every country has its share of assholes.
[QUOTE=Gentry;45539532]pinpoint operation[/QUOTE]
Hey those white and red buildings still look to be in pretty good shape
Those are pinpoint
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[QUOTE=darunner;45538484]Kids are the future. If Honduras wants a future, they'll need kids.[/QUOTE]
send your own kids to honduras then
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