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[QUOTE=alexguydude;42262869]It's a comparison to an extreme belief or lifestyle. That's why I said satanists. Something comparable so someone could understand where I'm coming from. I'm not comparing the two, I'm comparing the extremes. So good job understanding the analogy.[/QUOTE] unless you mean devil worshippers, satanists aren't as "out there" and crazy as you think
[QUOTE=alexguydude;42262921]I already know the majority of Facepunch is for certain topics, which is why I hesitate to play devils advocate. And the reason I am fine with gay/lesbian but not transgenderism is because it doesn't seem even remotely psychologically sane. Even in nature there is gay / lesbian. I can understand why someone would be gay and it's not their choice. But to say you're a completely different gender, and then like the same gender as [I]you actually are[/I], makes absolutely no sense and I think it's ludicrous. Again, I don't force my belief on them and tell them not to believe or feel what they feel. I just think it's crazy.[/QUOTE] gender is a societal concept defined by yourself and how you feel. you're making the same mistake i've seen literally hundreds of times and mixing it up with sex. if you had any idea what you were talking about you wouldn't have made this mistake
[QUOTE=alexguydude;42262921]I already know the majority of Facepunch is for certain topics, which is why I hesitate to play devils advocate. [/QUOTE] Isn't playing the devil's advocate just taking the opposite standpoint in a debate for the sake of argument, not actually believing in it? In other news. She's cute. If I was 3 years younger and she was 3 years older, I'd totally send her a 'u r n q t π, wnt 2 make smooches?' on Friendster or whatever kids use these days.
[QUOTE=Cone;42262942]gender is a societal concept defined by yourself and how you feel. you're making the same mistake i've seen literally hundreds of times and mixing it up with sex. if you had any idea what you were talking about you wouldn't have made this mistake[/QUOTE] Gender isn't a societal concept. It's your damn GENDER. You're born male or female. Jesus. You're born male or female it's not a choice. It's biological, and you don't get to choose your DNA. Sexuality is different than gender. I support sexuality decisions, not people thinking they can change their entire gender, chop their dick off, and prance around as a female. It's insane, and the majority of the world still thinks it's insane too for good reason.
[QUOTE=alexguydude;42263091]Gender isn't a societal concept. It's your damn GENDER. You're born male or female. Jesus. You're born male or female it's not a choice. It's biological, and you don't get to choose your DNA. Sexuality is different than gender. I support sexuality decisions, not people thinking they can change their entire gender.[/QUOTE] you're born with male or female genitalia, but that doesn't mean jack. again, gender is a completely different concept that you're confusing with sex
[QUOTE=alexguydude;42263091]Gender isn't a societal concept. It's your damn GENDER. You're born male or female. Jesus. You're born male or female it's not a choice. It's biological, and you don't get to choose your DNA.[/QUOTE] the ways individuals of a specific gender are raised to act, dress, and behave [I]are[/I] societal also, you're right, the sexual organs you are born with is not a choice, but neither is the mental belief of what gender you are you could be born with a penis physically, but mentally, through no choice of your own, perceive yourself completely to be a female, and thus, act the way females do according to societal norms, despite having male sexual organs it is completely natural, while its not necessarily common, or average, it is still not a choice, and still completely determined by things out of human control, which is what makes it biologically natural the organs someone has in their pants and lower abdomen do not determine the way their brain denotes their gender and thought processes towards their own sexual identity
[QUOTE=alexguydude;42263091]Gender isn't a societal concept. It's your damn GENDER. You're born male or female. Jesus. You're born male or female it's not a choice. It's biological, and you don't get to choose your DNA. Sexuality is different than gender. I support sexuality decisions, not people thinking they can change their entire gender.[/QUOTE] how you're biologically built is your sex, what you identify as is your gender.
Then flip the terms sex and gender, the meaning I'm still saying is exactly the same thing. Not going to bother in a thread anymore when half of the profiles here [I]are[/I] transgender people.
[QUOTE=alexguydude;42263138]Then flip the terms sex and gender, the meaning I'm still saying is exactly the same thing. Not going to bother in a thread anymore when half of the profiles here [I]are[/I] transgender people.[/QUOTE] lol im about as close to heterosexual cis-scum as it gets basically [i]"im not going to argue gay rights with a bunch of gay people!!!!"[/i]
[QUOTE=alexguydude;42263091]Gender isn't a societal concept. It's your damn GENDER. You're born male or female. Jesus. You're born male or female it's not a choice. It's biological, and you don't get to choose your DNA. Sexuality is different than gender. I support sexuality decisions, not people thinking they can change their entire gender, chop their dick off, and prance around as a female. It's insane, and the majority of the world still thinks it's insane too for good reason.[/QUOTE]Male and Female relate to a person's sex. Man/Woman, Boy/Girl these kinds of things relate to a person's gender, gender being an entirely mental aspect.
[QUOTE=alexguydude;42263138]Then flip the terms sex and gender, the meaning I'm still saying is exactly the same thing. Not going to bother in a thread anymore when half of the profiles here [I]are[/I] transgender people.[/QUOTE] oh snap people have a problem with being called unnatural freaks, who the fuck could have thunk it. it's not like they'd actually have any idea what they're talking about anyway considering, you know, [I]they're personal experts on the subject[/I]
[QUOTE=alexguydude;42263138]Then flip the terms sex and gender, the meaning I'm still saying is exactly the same thing. Not going to bother in a thread anymore when half of the profiles here [I]are[/I] transgender people.[/QUOTE]"Ohh lord! I've been a horrible bigot and the people I've been offending and attacking feel offended and are defending themselves! I'm so put-upon!"
[QUOTE=alexguydude;42262847]I just think it's obnoxious and out of line.[/QUOTE] So is your posting. I don't see how people trying to deal with a genuine issue that cripples self confidence and in some cases gets people killed is obnoxious. Drawing some imaginary lines about what other people are allowed to feel is pretty unfair.
[QUOTE=alexguydude;42263138]Then flip the terms sex and gender, the meaning I'm still saying is exactly the same thing. Not going to bother in a thread anymore when half of the profiles here [I]are[/I] transgender people.[/QUOTE] i'm a straight white male, doesn't mean i'm ass-backwards
if you cant defend your prejudiced mentality, and justify it with subjective perceptions of "normalcy," you obviously have no concept of how the brain works sexuality and gender are the furthest concepts from black and white as it gets
[QUOTE=alexguydude;42263138]Then flip the terms sex and gender, the meaning I'm still saying is exactly the same thing. Not going to bother in a thread anymore when half of the profiles here [I]are[/I] transgender people.[/QUOTE] People are defending themselves against bigotry? How horrible!
Transgender mindsets are even labeled as a gender identity disorder. It's a disorder. Therefor not sane or normal behavior of a human being. After many bitching and moaning from the T community they even tried to get it changed into something not classified as a disorder. But it still remains, a mental disorder. [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Transphobia" - Megafan))[/highlight]
[QUOTE=alexguydude;42263222]Transgender mindsets are even labeled as a gender identity disorder. It's a disorder. Therefor not sane or normal behavior of a human being. Disorder.[/QUOTE] and there is a very sizable chunk of pyschologists and individuals in the field of mental health advocating for the American Psychiatric Association to change the term to something that does not label the condition as a disorder at one point the American Psychiatric Association labeled homosexuality as a disorder as well [editline]21st September 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=alexguydude;42263222]Therefor not sane or normal behavior of a human being. After many [I]bitching and moaning[/I] from the T community they even tried to get it changed into something not classified as a disorder. But it still remains, a mental disorder.[/QUOTE] ooh you added more bigotry to your post after i replied like i said, many of the individuals pushing for the reclassification are psychologists and mental health professionals, not just the LGBT community what is with your fascination with "normalcy" in the first place? you demean these people, and regardless of whether you admit it openly, despise them through the connotation of your words, and yet i am willing to guarantee that you are by no means "normal" when compared to societal norms
alexguydude, you should give this video a watch to better understand transgenderism instead of spouting shit about how it's not "normal". [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXAoG8vAyzI[/media]
[QUOTE=alexguydude;42263091]Gender isn't a societal concept. It's your damn GENDER. You're born male or female. Jesus. You're born male or female it's not a choice. It's biological, and you don't get to choose your DNA. Sexuality is different than gender. I support sexuality decisions, not people thinking they can change their entire gender, chop their dick off, and prance around as a female. It's insane, and the majority of the world still thinks it's insane too for good reason.[/QUOTE] Sex =/= Gender. Also you're literally just an asshole.
[QUOTE=alexguydude;42263222]not sane[/QUOTE] It may be a deviation from the average but I don't think that makes them in any way insane, just because it's classed as a disorder doesn't mean it's [I]wrong[/I] on any level And considering you find it "disgusting" because it's not "normal" behaviour do you find the mentally ill likewise
[QUOTE=Cone;42262900]being gay isn't a choice and neither is being transgender. [/QUOTE] So you are saying that its in their head from birth?
[QUOTE=Blind Lulu;42263759]This link shows an example that tests the very limits of what gender identity is. A male infant lost his penis in a failed phimosis repair and despite receiving a sex change and be raised as if he was a girl his entire life he still ended up identifying as a man.[/QUOTE] I'm not sure that really fully explains transgenderism. It's just an originally cisgender person who was forced to have a sex change and didn't go with it. It might reinforce the concept of gender being a mentally controlled concept but it's kind of an inverted transgender situation. I doubt you're going to win over a lot of transphobic idiots with that.
[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;42262863]No, its not at all like that because its not a belief system or anything like that. And nicely done comparing transpersons to satanists. You know literally nothing about transgenderism.[/QUOTE] I had a friend who was literally a satanist. He was not a bad guy at all, computer tech with a bunch of degrees and was generally smart. Satanism itself is not always voodo cult shit that is terrible, taken as a philosphy it is mostly about living life indulgently, and independently. My point is, stereotypes about everything are almost always mis/uninformed. And, as I am a bit uninformed, I would like to know something. I originally thought that the things that influence sexual thought and gender are hormones, but wouldn't that make hormone therapy a mental CHOICE rather than a pre-determined sexual identity? As I said before, I am not very informed on this and I would like clarification as to why my above hypothesis is wrong, because I know it is considering the general consensus about this. Just would like clarification, I already know I'm mostly likely wrong, and even if I'm not and it is not a pre-determined thing but a psychological and mental choice, I don't care, and dislike limiting freedoms and society hating against freedoms of body and mind.
I'm happy for him
You know, Alexguydude you're pretty much right now following the stereotypical checklist of "transphobic bigot". 1. "It's just my opinion you freaks!" 2. "I'm playing the Devil's Advocate!" 3. "I'll use my pseduointellectual bullshit to justify my hatred of you!" You yourself said, every thread on these things has a stereotypical bigot like you trying to argue and justify your hatred of us. [editline]21st September 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=EliteGuy;42264134]I'm happy for him[/QUOTE] Her** Or did you do that on purpose to be witty? Because ha! No one has ever thought of misgendering a trans woman before to mock her! Very clever!
[QUOTE=QueenSasha24;42264137] Her** Or did you do that on purpose to be witty? Because ha! No one has ever thought of misgendering a trans woman before to mock her! Very clever![/QUOTE] Dude it was just a mistake so what, you are only hurting the cause by making it look bad!
[QUOTE=BirdsOnMyBack;42264174]Dude it was just a mistake so what, you are only hurting the cause by making it look bad![/QUOTE] Pardon me if I'm not so quick to give the benefit of the doubt when these threads usually have it's fair share of people who think it's fun to mock trans women by misgendering them. Because really, In what part of the OP at all would imply the girl goes by male pronouns?
[QUOTE=QueenSasha24;42264137]You know, Alexguydude you're pretty much right now following the stereotypical checklist of "transphobic bigot". 1. "It's just my opinion you freaks!" 2. "I'm playing the Devil's Advocate!" 3. "I'll use my pseduointellectual bullshit to justify my hatred of you!" You yourself said, every thread on these things has a stereotypical bigot like you trying to argue and justify your hatred of us. [/QUOTE] He hasn't called anyone a freak, he's just pointing out the stupidity in "I identify myself as.." while putting words into his mouth.
[QUOTE=HighdefGE;42264204]He hasn't called anyone a freak, he's just pointing out the stupidity in "I identify myself as.." while putting words into his mouth.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=alexguydude;42262834]It's hard to "support" something that's completely against everything I think is even remotely normal. [/QUOTE] Because that doesn't imply things right?
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